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bexley
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Mmmmm hmm. TIG welded? And what kind of bars are those? Moustache?

Not sure what I think about the saddle-bar drop though. I'd like a more upright position on a spencer like that.

And (|), thanks so much for the information. I'll probably be going with a 21" or 21.5", which will hopefully add an extra degree on the headtube compared to the 23". Your point about the added wait and cost for custom geometry is a good one. It's not worth it, and I should probably trust their design. I'm just a little worried about the low BB for fixed riding.

Sun, 02/01/2009 - 11:04
cookietruck
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yeah, i'm not sure what the bb height is but i wouldn't be surprised if it was a little higher than avg.
i know they have a really high bb height for their track frames.

Sun, 02/01/2009 - 11:22
bexley
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That would be nice. Hopefully I'll get a response from them soon. I'm getting really excited about this build; should be done just in time for some spring touring.

BJ's for all!

Sun, 02/01/2009 - 11:47
skipbrakes

I'd likely go with a more up angled stem if I was going to put drops on it, but as it stands the seat to bar drop on that is less than my bar to top of drops on any other of my bikes. Maybe I'll regret cutting myself short in ten years, but right now i'm comfortable on it commuting or on long trips.
The bars are the soma sparrows, they're great, they don't put you out as far to reach the levers as most mustache bars.
I am actually uncertain as to the welds, looks like fillet to me and our local framebuilder. We're a dealer and I opted for the entry level tig...but they took my measurements and I suppose decided that I would need to go a bit custom geometry for my height. Then it took a minute to get it finished... I paid the balance on an base model, with maybe a 50$ tacked on for the extra rack mounts. It showed up like this.
Maybe them not ever wanting to let an ugly tig weld go out the door? In any picture of a bilenky that I have ever seen I've never seen any thing other than mirror smooth welds/brazes or lugs.

Sun, 02/01/2009 - 13:22
bexley
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Smooth. I like fillets as much as lugs.

So, BJ says that it costs 400 GBP to install couplers on a new frame as well. Hrm. Costs more than the fucking frame.
"S&S couplings cost £400.00 for a pair in either a new frame or a retro fit. The same amount of time and skill is needed to fit them in either."

Also, here are the sizes I'd be looking at. The 2 degree shift of the ST between 20.5" and 21" is more than I'd expect.

20.5" has 20.5" TT, 4 1/4" HT, 76.5 s/t angle, 71 head tube angle, 14.25" stays.
21" has 21" TT, 4 3/8" HT, 74.5 s/t angle, 72 head tube angle, 14.25" stays.
21.5" has 21.5" TT, 5" HT, 74.5 s/t angle, 72 head tube angle, 14.25" stays.

Anyway, I think the 21.5" is what I'll be going for. Probably silver + the chrome scheme on that silver/brown BJ I posted above.

Wed, 02/04/2009 - 05:35
Patch
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btw i'd totally use non aero hoods if i were gonna have moustache bars.

Wed, 02/04/2009 - 05:51
Sneaky Viking
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Bold wrote:
btw i'd totally use non aero hoods if i were gonna have moustache bars.

agreed.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Wed, 02/04/2009 - 09:05
halbritt
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As someone who just put aero hoods on 'stache bars, I also agree.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 02/04/2009 - 18:01
kevinwulf
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Currently for sale by someone on the CR list:

70s Philippe randonneur

more photos: http://flickr.com/photos/19321250@N05/sets/72157612358253179/

It's a 59cm ctt with a 56cm top tube. If I remember correctly the
standover is 32.5, but it's built more for a rider around 5'8" - 5'11" or
so.

spencer is in California.

The guy is asking $1,200.

Fri, 02/06/2009 - 20:56
cookietruck
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wotan wrote:
Currently for sale by someone on the CR list:

70s Philippe randonneur

more photos: http://flickr.com/photos/19321250@N05/sets/72157612358253179/

It's a 59cm ctt with a 56cm top tube. If I remember correctly the
standover is 32.5, but it's built more for a rider around 5'8" - 5'11" or
so.

spencer is in California.

The guy is asking $1,200.

that thing is cool. not my size luckily. i already put down a deposit on something.
notice not much seat post adjustment because of cable but i guess you could always figure where you need the post then cut the excess off.

Fri, 02/06/2009 - 21:25
cookietruck
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Sat, 02/07/2009 - 20:32
bexley
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About to pull the trigger on the Bob Jackson. Price is pretty high after the couplers and some chroming though.

World Tour frameset 390
Chromed fork blades + stays (up to 12") 104
S&S 400
Shipping 50
---
944 GBP / 1379 USD

Worth it?

Got my eye on an auction that could save some money, but it's about 1-2cm too big:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0308481174

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 15:16
barba

I would be inclined to just buy a nice travel case and call it a day.

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 15:21
bexley
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Yep, the couplers are expensive and cost more than the frame. But there's no travel case under the max. size for luggage, so I'd be charged every time I fly with it. The cost of the couplers will pay for itself within a couple years by making it free to take my spencer on flights, not to mention much easier.

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 15:43
cookietruck
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bexley wrote:
About to pull the trigger on the Bob Jackson. Price is pretty high after the couplers and some chroming though.

Worth it?

only you can answer the question of whether it's worth it.
that spencer in ebay link is nice too though..but if it doesn't fit then i wouldn't mess with it.

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 15:46
bexley
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I think it's worth it, which is why I'm about to pull the trigger. I just need a gentle shove--that or a stern rebuke.

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 15:53
Patch
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S and S couplers are def worth it.

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 16:04
halbritt
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bexley wrote:
I think it's worth it, which is why I'm about to pull the trigger. I just need a gentle shove--that or a stern rebuke.

Get the BJ if you can afford it.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 17:56
pirate
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halbritt wrote:
Get the BJ if you can afford it.

yeah

and

new sig

Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time, but now that its the opposite it's twice upon a time.

Tue, 02/10/2009 - 19:05
the general

(|) wrote:

that thing is cool. not my size luckily. i already put down a deposit on something.
notice not much seat post adjustment because of cable but i guess you could always figure where you need the post then cut the excess off.

I think the brake cable goes around the seat tube. not only would that not be enough insertion for adjustment, it would not be enough for safety. also i think you can see the end of one of those wrap around guides.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 15:37
Elderbear
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Rivendell is in a state of unrest. What will this mean for those in Middle Earth who so much enjoy the names upon their two-wheeled steeds? Only time will tell...

EDIT: I guess they pulled that entry in their "news" section... I knew I should've copied n' pasted the text. It was somethin' about the people who own the rights to all things Middle Earth-related finding many of Riv's spencer model names (Quickbeam, Bombadil, etc.) to be in violation of their ownership of such terms. Perhaps they decided to keep it more low-profile or something.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 15:48
boneless
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How do you deal with cables on bikes with couplers? Do you have to redo the cables every time you pack and unpack the spencer?

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:15
mander
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I guess so, boneless.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:17
cookietruck
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the general wrote:
(|) wrote:

that thing is cool. not my size luckily. i already put down a deposit on something.
notice not much seat post adjustment because of cable but i guess you could always figure where you need the post then cut the excess off.

I think the brake cable goes around the seat tube. not only would that not be enough insertion for adjustment, it would not be enough for safety. also i think you can see the end of one of those wrap around guides.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:36
Elaxion
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That's sexy.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:36
bexley
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Very.

Quote:
How do you deal with cables on bikes with couplers? Do you have to redo the cables every time you pack and unpack the spencer?

S&S makes cable "splitters". Easy as pie.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:39
kevinwulf
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the general wrote:
I think the brake cable goes around the seat tube. not only would that not be enough insertion for adjustment, it would not be enough for safety. also i think you can see the end of one of those wrap around guides.

It would have a hole drilled through the post wouldn't it? I wouldn't think the post would be that short. Could be wrong though.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:44
y
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The post has a slot running down the middle.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 18:55
bexley
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Slot, eh? I'd opt for a series of holes.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 19:16
skipbrakes

From rivendell earlier if anyone cares, i guess our google reader catches everything even if it gets erased!
There may be trouble abrew with some of our brand names. A lawyer representing the client who owns the rights to All Middle Earth Names has contacted us and -- well, we don't exactly know where it will go. Our company name is fine, so RIVENDELL stays.

The cyclo-cross spencer name, not so sure, but we've disabled that one, and it's a minor player here in any case (but a great spencer). The other names --- I'm reluctant to even spell them out, but one is the opposite of SlowBeam, another is oppo-of Baggouts, and another is figure-outable if you think, "Calmbadil." Those, we aren't so sure.

The new bag line is named for a town in Canada of the same name, so we're OK there.

Minor stuff, but disconcerting because minor can grow, and we don't want that.

I don't know how public we'll be with the progress here. Daily life is the same as usual, with this small exception. We certainly don't feel as though any Dark Lords are after us. As for how it'll all shake out: Dunno. ("Dunno" came from Ron Weasley, of Hogwarts.)

G
For my buddies coupled tandem they use a adjustable link in the cables suppose you could use it on the shorter cables unless it's pre crimped or something weird.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 21:12
Elderbear
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Yeah, that's what I liked to in my earlier post^

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 21:20
barba

I have wondered from time to time if this ever came up for Riv. I had assumed that they had come to some arrangement because they kept doing it. Obviously not.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 22:45
asterisk
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Maybe now they'll have to resort to cryptic letter/number combos or throwback to the Bridgestone days.

Wed, 02/11/2009 - 22:50
bexley
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Qu1ckb34m 4 l1f3!

Thu, 02/12/2009 - 05:44
LADY GAGA
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rivendell leet just seems so wrong

Thu, 02/12/2009 - 06:06
zombie

for jacques.

Fri, 02/13/2009 - 16:37
ArtBlur
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Hot!

Fri, 02/13/2009 - 16:38
mander
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Yowsa. I really like when seatpost binder bolts are integrated into fastback seat stays.

Fri, 02/13/2009 - 17:32
bexley
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Resurrected from earlier in the thread.

Fri, 02/13/2009 - 17:39
bexley
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(|), got your frame yet?

Fri, 02/13/2009 - 17:46
cookietruck
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no.
i was gonna get a BJ but never got an email back...

Fri, 02/13/2009 - 19:14
bexley
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Seriously?

I wrote a series of 5 emails to them, all replied to within 2-3 days.

Give em a call. I thought you already placed the order from what it sounded like before.

Sat, 02/14/2009 - 05:33
cookietruck
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nah, i sent them 5 emails and no replies.
mercian didn't reply either. maybe they are mad at the US. don't blame 'em.

i'm spending big monies and should have a spencer i can ride and be comfy and happy on for the next 40 years or so.

Sat, 02/14/2009 - 12:47
bexley
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Damn, I'd like to be capable of riding a spencer in 40 years. Hope so. That puts this investment in a different light. Fuck being cheap on something that's meant to last a lifetime.

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 13:07
mander
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I went and checked out the start of a 100km populaire today. Man, I never saw so many road bikes with full fenders, sadlebags and big ass lights all in one place before. There was lots of spencer geeking to be done in the parking lot where everyone (80 or so people) was getting registered. The deadline for registration was two weeks ago (they got tired of last minute rushes) and I missed it, so didn't ride with the audaxers. But I had a good roll today anyhow and it was a lot of fun to see all those fly ass bikes.

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 13:50
bexley
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Sounds exciting, mander.

I've been doing far more dreaming of touring than actual cycling lately. Also been reading on 3-speed tourers. Crazy, but I love AW hubs and it's possible to set them up with two cogs and/or a double up front. Starting to think of setup like that rather than having two rear wheels, one flip-flop for city (dunno if I'd actually bother to flip the wheel for short rides) and an 8-speed hub for touring.

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 13:53
Patch
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when are we three touring europeans gonna meet up and ride somewhere? Might i suggest sweden in the summer?

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 14:03
mander
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I'd like that a lot, but may be in Canada for the summer due to money and girl related issues. I'll keep you posted though, because a eurotarck tour sounds like a huge amount of fun. I always wanted to see the Alps; but i'm pretty flexible.

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 14:48
Patch
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yeah i've got a place to stay in grenoble, so if we wanna do alps i'm down. anywhere really. 1 week isn't enough. 2 weeks would be nice.

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 14:50
bexley
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I like that idea. I'll show up with my uncoupled spencer in a suitcase and you'll both be like "where's his spencer?"

Not sure though where I'll be June-Aug. The Alps, I hope.

Sun, 02/15/2009 - 16:59

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