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lofarkas
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One of these days I'm gonna hop over to Poland and steal all your bikes, vobopl. Don't be surprised if they are not there one morning.
If that's a titanium frame, even more so.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 13:44
Elderbear
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Disc is cool. Will drops be on the rando setup of this bike?

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 13:45
vobopl

Elderberry wrote:
Disc is cool. Will drops be on the rando setup of this bike?

shallow drops, Jones bar or (blasphemy!) aero bars placed high.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:03
Elderbear
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Hmmm... blasphemy indeed, but it's your ride.

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:06
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Well, it can't possibly get any uglier, so I don't see how aero bars could hurt.

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:15
mander
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Patch wrote:
those poor fenders aren't gonna do shit for your sopping wet feet, and those bars will give you hand troubles if you're seriously randonneuring. I definitely would not rock those rims either. That said I love the shit out of this bike.

Those stubby little fenders have a tiny bit of historical credibility. They're from the days when the uk had really fucked up bike laws and there was a requirement that every bike have fenders of some minimum length. People who wanted to go fast and didn't want th aero penalty of fenders would be forced to run fenders at that length, hence stubbies.

(I could be wrong about this, someone please correct me if i am)

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:17
vobopl

bonechilling wrote:
Well, it can't possibly get any uglier, so I don't see how aero bars could hurt.

Right. It is ugly as sin. Still it is lighter, stiffer and can take way more beating than any of the bikes upthread. Function over form.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:20
vobopl

lofarkas wrote:
One of these days I'm gonna hop over to Poland and steal all your bikes, vobopl. Don't be surprised if they are not there one morning.
If that's a titanium frame, even more so.

You know you will be welcomed (to hop over, not to steal my bikes, they are too small for you). Yes, the frame, saddle shell, seatpost clamp and stem are Ti. I wanted this bike to survive intact the salty slush we have here.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 14:29
bexley
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Ugh, after a recent purchase of a Gazelle racing bike (one that really sexes me up) I realized that I should've poured cold water on my boner for it and held out for a Randonneur; this thread has me already thinking of selling the Gazelle to fund one (even though I just paid 140 euro in repairs today. Fack!). I can't even fit full fenders on the Gazelle, so as much as I like it I'll never get it retrofitted with couplers to be my travel frame. If I don't try to sell it ASAP, I will within six months when I'll really want a Randonneur for some long, wet spring rides. May as well work on something to keep long term, no?

Anyway, enough brooding. Anyone know something about this frame: http://www.kogswell.com/products.html

$600 for frame/fork/headset/seatpost/painted fenders is tempting. Too cheap to be good? How mediocre is ECO tubing, even if it's double butted? The name doesn't seem to bode well.

And still no opinions on that Panasonic with couplers that yellowjersey seems to be the only place in the world to carry? http://www.yellowjersey.org/posd7.html

Yea, it's touring frame.

And I haven't put much thought into the new Sturmey 3-speed fixed hub, but for a long time I've liked the idea of using an internal-gear hub on a travel bike/randonneurish build. Anyone put more thought into this? It may or may not suck too much for any seriously steep terrain I could end up riding with a travel bike.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 15:52
bexley
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Yes.

Some amazing stuff here too: http://www.ahearnecycles.com -- but 3.5 year wait + $201490912489...not happening.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:00
barba

You should never loose your boner for a Gazelle. Those are great bikes.

Kogswell has a fairly good reputation. I wouldn't be shy about trying one out if you like it, but 650b tires are something I still need convincing about.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:02
Elderbear
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vobopl wrote:
Function over form.

I follow this to a degree... not quite as far as you, though.

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:04
Patch
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I sometimes wish I got the kogswell, but think about having a 650b tire in the middle of fuckall. Imagine how annoying that would be to get a new rim or tire.

The S3X seems to be only good for very light touring. I can't imagine it would drop down to a low enough gear for being loaded.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:05
bexley
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Not convinced by 650b either, especially not being able to find tires in some unforeseeable situation. Not a fan of bringing extra tires everywhere. Good to hear about their reputation though. I'll consider putting in an order come spring if nothing turns up in my neck of the woods.

I won't lose my boner for the Gazelle--in fact it's rock hard at the moment--but moving very frequently has its costs. Got a suitcase and a bike. When I move, I drag both with me. So I'm OCD on owning things that offer maximum usefulness, and right now the Gazelle limits the type of riding I'd like to do. Though I'm mostly just bitching and dreaming of the ideal Randonneur which wound render the Gazelle useless.

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The S3X seems to be only good for very light touring. I can't imagine it would drop down to a low enough gear for being loaded.

Yea, a touring bike shouldn't be limited to just light touring. I'm just trying to think of something to use that hub for, I guess. It's probably better suited for the track bike I only use in the city (not with me at the moment).

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:09
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Elderberry wrote:
vobopl wrote:
Function over form.

I follow this to a degree... not quite as far as you, though.

Seriously. 'Might as well ride a recumbent.

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:33
Tail Hook Lengthener
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If you want to go the 650b route, you can get a Rawland frame and fork for pretty cheap. The quality appears high, too.

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:37
Patch
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bexley wrote:
Yea, a touring bike shouldn't be limited to just light touring. I'm just trying to think of something to use that hub for, I guess. It's probably better suited for the track bike I only use in the city (not with me at the moment).

That thing or a dingle cog are the only things making me want to own a fixed gear again.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 16:50
Larry Winget
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I've always thought these were pretty sweet.

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Thu, 01/15/2009 - 17:46
bexley
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Patch wrote:
bexley wrote:
Yea, a touring bike shouldn't be limited to just light touring. I'm just trying to think of something to use that hub for, I guess. It's probably better suited for the track bike I only use in the city (not with me at the moment).

That thing or a dingle cog are the only things making me want to own a fixed gear again.

I've considered two dingle cogs on a fixed-fixed hub plus a double crankset as a cheap but probably stupid alternative to an internal-geared hub. Just trying to think of a simple, light build that could work for long distances (though still probably not useful for touring). But once I choose the right gear for a long haul I rarely switch.

It would only be a problem on some terrain, like going over many successive mountains. I have a friend who biked through some Spanish mountain range (forget the name) where coasting and small gears are pretty much the only way.

Is there a freewheel version of the dingle cog (maybe in a triple)?

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 18:28
bexley
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Someone should go for this if the price doesn't budge too much.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-86-Schwinn- ... 0281280693

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 18:39
y
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bexley wrote:
Is there a freewheel version of the dingle cog (maybe in a triple)?

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 18:46
bexley
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Threaded and 3/32"? Multo bene.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 19:10
cookietruck
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well. i think i may get a little bonus this year. i might also part out a bike that will gimme a fair chunk of change. i think i'll keep my eye open for a nice used frame and fork.
this was an awesome deal.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dave-Kirk-custom-st ... .m63.l1177

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 19:29
Whippin Skidz
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We've been talking of building frames at the shop, and are gonna build a jig this week. I think I may try my hand (after the owner builds his road frame) at it and build a rando bike. We'll see if I actually do it though.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 20:55
skipbrakes

I was in the line for a bilenky for quite some time, and ended up not wanting to just pay for another more expensive version of my tarck bikes. I told them what I wanted/measurements and this is what happened. They called it a tourlite with a fork for a front rack and lots of fender mounts....

much better pictures will exist once I take it on a tour out of state with my buddies one of whom gets crazy with his camera.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 23:40
zombie

skipbrakes wrote:
I was in the line for a bilenky for quite some time, and ended up not wanting to just pay for another more expensive version of my tarck bikes. I told them what I wanted/measurements and this is what happened. They called it a tourlite with a fork for a front rack and lots of fender mounts....

much better pictures will exist once I take it on a tour out of state with my buddies one of whom gets crazy with his camera.

Nice. I would have left more steerer on the fork though. Bet you'll want those bars higher at some point.

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 03:37
vobopl

bonechilling wrote:
Elderberry wrote:
vobopl wrote:
Function over form.

I follow this to a degree... not quite as far as you, though.

Seriously. 'Might as well ride a recumbent.

Hell, yes - but the scene must be right.

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 06:21
lofarkas
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Fuck, where do I sign up for a day at that track with that recumbent?
Wouldn't ride one in traffic, though.

P.s. the yellow tyre Ti bike isn't ugly. It looks a lot better to me than the njs bikes with gold flake paint everyone seems to swoon over.

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 06:54
vobopl

lofarkas wrote:
Fuck, where do I sign up for a day at that track with that recumbent?
Wouldn't ride one in traffic, though.

Here, this coming November/December. We need a better engine than the last one for the HPV 1 hour World Record Attempt. It's surprisingly comfortable and very fast. I know, I tried. And the owner rides it in traffic in Copenhagen.

lofarkas wrote:
P.s. the yellow tyre Ti bike isn't ugly. It looks a lot better to me than the njs bikes with gold flake paint everyone seems to swoon over.

Yes, it is ugly - It doesn't have classic proportions nor thin tubes screaming "light, fast". It's riser stem + risers don't shout "look how badass I am" as track stem + deep drops do. Handling, weight, stiffness, comfort are not obviously visible nor is the fact that all it takes is a wet rag to bring it back to shine after nasty winter (as they are no corroding parts except for disposable chain) nor that it will most likely outlive me - I like it that way.

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 07:35
lofarkas
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vobopl wrote:
lofarkas wrote:
Fuck, where do I sign up for a day at that track with that recumbent?
Wouldn't ride one in traffic, though.

Here, this coming November/December. We need a better engine than the last one for the HPV 1 hour World Record Attempt. It's surprisingly comfortable and very fast. I know, I tried. And the owner rides it in traffic in Copenhagen.

HPV or traditional recumbent? Cuz as I understand it HPV includes recumbents with a full body/fairing/whatever which are said to be a lot faster. The speed record with those is around 130km/h and I just googled the hour record: 87.123km.

Strangely, a recumbent of this kind doesn't fit any record category I know of: there is the UCI traditional bike record, the UCI aerobike record and the "anything goes" category where only fully faired recumbents have a chance.

I think I could maintain the speed required for the hour record for 10 to 30 seconds, maybe even a minute. For which day should I buy my train ticket?

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 08:02
vobopl

lofarkas wrote:
vobopl wrote:
lofarkas wrote:
Fuck, where do I sign up for a day at that track with that recumbent?
Wouldn't ride one in traffic, though.

Here, this coming November/December. We need a better engine than the last one for the HPV 1 hour World Record Attempt. It's surprisingly comfortable and very fast. I know, I tried. And the owner rides it in traffic in Copenhagen.

HPV or traditional recumbent?
...mucho deleted
Strangely, a recumbent of this kind doesn't fit any record category I know of: there is the UCI traditional bike record, the UCI aerobike record and the "anything goes" category where only fully faired recumbents have a chance.

Unfaired Recumbent is still not UCI sanctioned. The current record was on the same model- they are built 4 miles from where I live.

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 11:57
y
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HPV GTFO!!

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 17:31
Rusty Piton
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This thread has gone downhill into the pit of recumbency.

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Fri, 01/16/2009 - 18:22
lofarkas
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Apparently the pic of vobopl's bike started an irreversible process of corruption.

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 18:46
Elderbear
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Rusty Piton wrote:
This thread has gone downhill into the pit of recumbency.

What a terrible fate for such a beautiful thread...


Quickbeam to the rescue!

And yes, that's a Riv with a saddle to bar drop... weird.

johnnyraja wrote:
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Fri, 01/16/2009 - 19:53
halbritt
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Grant Petersen would be rolling in his grave. Assuming he was in a grave, you know. He is pretty old.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 22:58
Gary Fissure

Elderberry wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
This thread has gone downhill into the pit of recumbency.

What a terrible fate for such a beautiful thread...


Quickbeam to the rescue!

And yes, that's a Riv with a saddle to bar drop... weird.

THIS GUY LOVES QUICKBEAMS!!

Fri, 01/16/2009 - 23:14
Elderbear
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It's true, you jerk.

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Fri, 01/16/2009 - 23:34
Gary Fissure

What's your feeling on their new one, Elderberry?

At $1k for frame, fork, hs, bb, seatpost, it's sort of reasonable.

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 09:31
Elderbear
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Sort of reasonable indeed. Not a huge fan of the sloping TT of its "expanded" frame sizing, but the longer headtube allows one to get his or her bars up to Petersen-approved heights without maxing out a Technomic, which is cool if that's what you want. Seems like an alright deal for somebody who really wants a Riv but doesn't want to have 3 or 4 grand invested in the end.

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Sat, 01/17/2009 - 13:11
y
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jacques wrote:
HPV GTFO!!

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!!

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 13:44
Gary Fissure

Elderberry wrote:
Sort of reasonable indeed. Not a huge fan of the sloping TT of its "expanded" frame sizing, but the longer headtube allows one to get his or her bars up to Petersen-approved heights without maxing out a Technomic, which is cool if that's what you want. Seems like an alright deal for somebody who really wants a Riv but doesn't want to have 3 or 4 grand invested in the end.

I think it's weird how when they do the 'budget' bikes (this and the Bleriot) they tweak 'em a little, so they're not quite right; like with the expanded geo on this and the 650b on the bleriot. Like they couldn't just sell a level-TT frame with standard sized wheels for $1k? Or would that destroy demand for their other models?

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 13:48
mander
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Fuggo.

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 15:05
lofarkas
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That thing is fucking ugly.

Urbandictionary tells me that's mander's opinion as well.

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 15:24
Patch
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Why in the FUCK have a 7 stem when you're gonna raise it that high? Don't they still make quill stems that have less harsh of an angle and won't puncture your damn sternum?

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 15:24
halbritt
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sneaky viking wrote:
What's your feeling on their new one, Elderberry?

At $1k for frame, fork, hs, bb, seatpost, it's sort of reasonable.

Grant Petersen wrote:
It's not compact geometry, motherfucker. It's *special* Rivendell geometry. We made the headtube longer and so the top tube had to slope a bit.

Fuck you, Grant. Looks compact to me.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 16:17
y
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Grant Petersen wrote:
It's not compact geometry, motherfucker. It's *special* Rivendell geometry. We made the headtube longer and so the top tube had to slope a bit.

You're not fooling anyone. We know what you really did is make the seat tube shorter!

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 16:31
Elderbear
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sneaky viking wrote:
I think it's weird how when they do the 'budget' bikes (this and the Bleriot) they tweak 'em a little, so they're not quite right; like with the expanded geo on this and the 650b on the bleriot. Like they couldn't just sell a level-TT frame with standard sized wheels for $1k? Or would that destroy demand for their other models?

Hadn't thought of this before, but I'm sure that's gotta be a big factor in these decisions.

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Sat, 01/17/2009 - 16:51
Patch
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bonechilling needs to bring his front fender closer to the tire IMO.
he also needs one of these:

edit: also that doesn't look like compact geo to me.

Sat, 01/17/2009 - 17:14
Elderbear
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Depends on where his rear wheel in the dropouts. If you're back from the very ends much at all on horizontal dropouts, wheel removal's a real pain when the fender's too close. I'm assuming you're talking about his crosscheck, btw.

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Sat, 01/17/2009 - 17:25

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