I get dropped by old dudes wearing hi-vis vests and campy dayglo bodysuits

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DreadPirateRobert

This thread = so much sex in my face. That is all.

Sun, 01/11/2009 - 20:29
halbritt
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Hmm, Rivendell is doing test rides. They're in Walnut Creek. That's 20 minutes away. Hmm.....

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sun, 01/11/2009 - 23:07
Elderbear
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Hmmm, indeed, you fortunate bastard.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Sun, 01/11/2009 - 23:11
Captain Gnarlock
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halbritt wrote:
Hmm, Rivendell is doing test rides. They're in Walnut Creek. That's 20 minutes away. Hmm.....

Be sure to apply retrogrouch repellent first.

Sun, 01/11/2009 - 23:36
Elderbear
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Why would one want to repel their charming kind? I wouldn't quite consider myself one, but I see a lot of good in most of their positions on things.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 00:01
halbritt
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PITD for the retrogrouch. "Hey Grant, I love you man, but....PITD!"

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 00:25
mander
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allencb wrote:
I had rando/audax in mind when I built this bike:

It's a Surly LHT with a mix of Dura Ace and Ultegra. It isn't light at 25lbs, but it's comfy for all day riding. The longest ride I've done on it was a Century. If I can get into shape, I'm going to try for a 200 mile ride this July (total200.com).

Chris

That looks pretty rad. Is that a short cage derailer on a mountain cassette? Does that work ok?

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 04:32
allencb

mander wrote:
That looks pretty rad. Is that a short cage derailer on a mountain cassette? Does that work ok?

Thanks.

Yup, that's a short cage Ultegra derailler on an 11-32 cassette. I can run in the big/big combo, though it's a bit noisy. The small/small combo works, but the chain is ever so slightly slack. The front rings are 39/46. A compact crank and road cassette would have worked better, but I already had a nice, light crankset and didn't want to swap it out.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 06:49
allencb

Specs in case anyone is interested:

Frame: Surly LHT
Stem: Salsa
Bars: Ritchey
Wheelset: Ultegra/Open Pro
Brakes/levers: Tektro
Shifters: DuraAce DT
Deraillers: Front-DA, Rear-Ultegra
Cassette: Sram 11-32
Crankset: early 90s DA 39/46 (stock was 50, I'm a wimp)
Tires: Panaracer Urban Max 32c (those are going byebye for this year, way too heavy, but ride nice)
Saddle: Brookes B17
Seatbag: Carradice Barley
Fenders: SKS
Pedals: Performance SPD clones

It's my "anti road bike". I hate kilobuck carbon race bikes. They seem antithetical to "fun" riding. I totally copied the bikes I saw at Rivendell or Velo-Orange.

It has an eclectic mix of parts because I bought stuff as I found good deals (ex wheelset on double sale at Performance in Fairfax for $150). Since completing it last Febuary, I've logged about 1000 miles, including one Century. Unfortunately, I haven't touched it since building my fixed gear. I need to start riding it again because there's no way in hell I'm doing the MS150 century on a FG (way too hilly up or down) or the Total200 in July.

Chris

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 07:03
Tail Hook Lengthener
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mander wrote:
That looks pretty rad. Is that a short cage derailer on a mountain cassette? Does that work ok?

FWIW, I'm running a short-cage derailer (Ultegra nine-speed) with a SRAM nine-speed 11-28 cassette. Obviously that's not quite as large as the LHT, but it's works without a hitch despite being larger than Shimano advises.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
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Mon, 01/12/2009 - 08:27
barba

The long and short cage Shimano derailers are rated for the same capacity for the cassette.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 11:33
tjayk
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barba wrote:
The long and short cage Shimano derailers are rated for the same capacity for the cassette.

pretty sure this is false - isn't a 27 tooth the recommended max cog size for short cage?

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 12:06
barba

They both are rated for 27 (according to Shimano) with plenty of evidence you can go a bit higher. The real issue is the chain wrap you need. With a standard road triple you have a range of 52t-30t. That is quite a bit of chain to take up.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 13:11
tjayk
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barba wrote:
They both are rated for 27 (according to Shimano) with plenty of evidence you can go a bit higher. The real issue is the chain wrap you need. With a standard road triple you have a range of 52t-30t. That is quite a bit of chain to take up.

so when you say long cage, are you excluding mountain/touring models? clearly those are made to handle 34+ tooth cogs.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 17:58
barba

Pardon me, yes, I am talking about "road" derailleurs.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 18:01
tjayk
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barba wrote:
Pardon me, yes, I am talking about "road" derailleurs.

ok, now i understand. sorry - i was just trying to prevent the spread of misinformation, wasn't trying to be a dick or anything...

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 18:06
barba

No dickishness assumed.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 18:08
mander
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Thanks for the discussion pals. I was interested because i'm currently running a long cage XT on an 11-32 cassette, double in front, and it may die soon. I really dig the mountain cassette for distance riding, it gives you nice low gears without quite sinking to the humiliation level of a triple. smiley .

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 19:22
Tail Hook Lengthener
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mander wrote:
Thanks for the discussion pals. I was interested because i'm currently running a long cage XT on an 11-32 cassette, double in front, and it may die soon. I really dig the mountain cassette for distance riding, it gives you nice low gears without quite sinking to the humiliation level of a triple. smiley .

My sentiments exactly. I've actually been prowling eBay for a 9-speed RD for cheap, so I can throw a Deore mountain cassette on my CC. I am by nature a spinner, not a masher.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 19:27
Sneaky Viking
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So, in conclusion, a short cage mtn rear will work for a any single or double up front and up to 34 in back, right?
And:
mtn long cage = triple + mtn cassette
road long cage = triple + 28t max cassette
road short = double + 28t max cassette
?

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Mon, 01/12/2009 - 19:33
allencb

I don't know if I'd go so far as a 34 in the rear, but it will definitely do a 32.

You can do a 32t max and a double with the road short cage. The main issue is chain tension in the smaller cogs while on the smaller ring.

I've run a 7spd 105 short cage derailler with a 12-28 7spd with mountain triple and 11-32 9spd with road double (39x46) without any problems. I've run an Ultegra short cage with the same 11-32 and 39x46 (current set up).

Chris

Tue, 01/13/2009 - 06:28
bigmatt

Well, my original planned frame for my rando fixed build didn't happen. I was way outbid at the last minute on a jumbo sized Mercian King of Mercia touring frame on the 'bay. But, then I got a heads up from a BF C&V member on this and I bought it. I am happy with the price of $225 SHIPPED! Even if it doesn't work I could sell it for what I paid pretty easily.

Tue, 01/13/2009 - 20:13
cookietruck
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oh yeah that merican was nice.
there is a miyata 1000 on there now in my size a few days left and bidding is already approaching $500...jeez.

Tue, 01/13/2009 - 21:29
bigmatt

(|) wrote:
oh yeah that merican was nice.
there is a miyata 1000 on there now in my size a few days left and bidding is already approaching $500...jeez.

I have seen Miyata 1000 bring $1K on Ebay, and it was local pick up only on that one! The last three that ended for $511, $635 and a very modified upgrade non-original one fetched $760. I have also seen Trek 720's fetch a pretty penny on the 'Bay as well. I have definitely noticed the vintage touring bikes going for more money in the past year or so.

Tue, 01/13/2009 - 22:13
halbritt
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Blame Grant Petersen

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 00:40
Captain Gnarlock
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halbritt wrote:
Blame Grant Petersen

Oh, I do. smiley

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 00:58
vobopl

Randonneuring is a valid use case. I wonder why we insist on solving it in the classic way - can you really improve on the basics except for modern drivetrain and brakes?
My requirements list for such bike consists of the following:
comfortable, long (105cm) wheelbase, light frame, roadside reparable is a bounus
full fenders
big range gearing but not necessarily tightly spaced - I am riding mostly fixed anyway, so variable cadence is not an issue

I have build that with current materials and, surprisingly, the solution serves extremely well as a winter bike, too (with different wheels and fixed), I gad to relax the requirement of easy repair of the frame breakage but I got corrosion resistance as a bonus. Here is a spec of the winter version:

Titerra MTB frame
Nashbar cross/touring fork
Ambrosio 32 tubular rims wearing Tufo cross tires (30mm front, 32mm rear) both laced to bloodline DH 20mm front hubs, bolt on 17t cog
titec stem, generic carbon riser bars
xtr hydraulic front caliper mated to coda lever ( caliper was $30 new on eBay, lever was parts bin of the LBS)
Zipp compact carbon MTB cranks from 90' ( that's a gem, wasn't that expensive at eBay)
Taiwaneese seatopst
Gipiemme Pluma saddle
full fenders (struts made of 4mm carbon fiber kite masts save over edit: half a pound of weight and cost $7 to make)
The result is 16 pounds winter-proof bike for less than $1000, convertible to even lighter randonneur for these long, summer rides with 1x9 drivetrain, lighter wheels and rack mounting to the brake bosses.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 01:30
y
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vobopl wrote:
can you really improve on the basics except for modern drivetrain and brakes?

I'm confused.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:19
Tail Hook Lengthener
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jacques wrote:
vobopl wrote:
can you really improve on the basics except for modern drivetrain and brakes?

I'm confused.

Yeah, I don't understand what any of his post is about.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:35
vobopl

jacques wrote:
vobopl wrote:
can you really improve on the basics except for modern drivetrain and brakes?

I'm confused.

The bikes in this thread are classic, often lugged steel frames. The world has moved on.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:39
y
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It's just that usually when you ask a rhetorical question like that, the implied answer is "no".

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:45
Sneaky Viking
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Q: Is pimping easy?

A: Oh hell yeah pimping's easy!

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:51
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Given that context, I understand your post a whole lot better now.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:51
EJ
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Can we see a pic of this wordily described bike?

ckd wrote:
Hey Josh, WTF is up with your signature?

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 08:51
vobopl

jacques wrote:
It's just that usually when you ask a rhetorical question like that, the implied answer is "no".

no.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 09:05
y
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Well consider me refuted! Now pics or it didn't happen.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 09:08
Rusty Piton
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Hell yes.

emor wrote:
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Wed, 01/14/2009 - 14:25
Patch
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those poor fenders aren't gonna do shit for your sopping wet feet, and those bars will give you hand troubles if you're seriously randonneuring. I definitely would not rock those rims either. That said I love the shit out of this bike.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 14:31
Elderbear
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^^The exact reservations I had upon seeing that thing.^^

Everything else, pretty much flawless. Maybe some clips, but that's it.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 14:35
Patch
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Is it a flip flop hub? if it's at all fixed it needs foot retention.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 14:41
Elderbear
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Not sure. Wasn't sayin' it needed retention, I'd just want some no matter what.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 14:47
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I don't think that a fixed gear with two brakes needs foot retention, but anyway, that definitely looks like a freewheel on there. My biggest problem with that bike is using pedals designed for toe-clips without said clips.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 15:00
Larry Winget
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Death to false fenders.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 15:01
halbritt
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vobopl wrote:
jacques wrote:
vobopl wrote:
can you really improve on the basics except for modern drivetrain and brakes?

I'm confused.

The bikes in this thread are classic, often lugged steel frames. The world has moved on.

Did you see the aforementioned Pearson Audax bike? Yes, the world has moved on. Having moved on, steel is still a very valid choice for a touring bike. I have decreed that this thread is for both modern and classic randoneuring bikes.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 17:06
y
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Rusty Piton wrote:
Hell yes.

Cottered cranks

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 17:59
tjayk
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+ fail on the oury's.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 19:52
Whippin Skidz
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Jacques, I hate your fucking signature.

Wed, 01/14/2009 - 21:09
allencb

jim wrote:
Jacques, I hate your fucking signature.

That's a sig? I thought he kept posting a pic of a pasty white, skinny dork with a camera because it had something to do with the thread. I kept scanning the background looking for something relevent to rando bikes. It never occurred to me it was a sig until you mentioned it.

Dude, if you must keep the picture, at least shrink it down a bit. Damn thing is larger than your posts.

Chris

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 06:49
y
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Thanks for the advice Chris. I'll take it into consideration.

Jacques

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 08:34
vobopl

EuroJosh wrote:
Can we see a pic of this wordily described bike?

winterized




If you want to see randonneur version you'll need to wait at least till April.

Thu, 01/15/2009 - 13:34

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