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iwillbe wrote:
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Interested in PBP? Do a series and a 1000/1200 if you can next year. The higher distance event, the earlier registration time. This is important for selecting your start time.

This is me.
the info on RUSA's website appears to draw on a few past iterations of PBP, but as a general approach, I'm hoping to get a SR series under my belt (or bib suspenders, as the case may be) in 2018, in preparation for doing another in 2019. It sounds as if earlier is better for finishing the series in the PBP year, so as to avoid any issues with rider quota cutoffs.

I guess I need to find a club, there are active ones in DC and "tidewater" (SE VA and North Carolina?), but nothing in Richmond proper, as far as I know.

Well, I know as far as PNW the rando club thing can be kind of cliquey and it can be difficult to start your own thing - but it’s possible. However that’s like a 3+ year project.

To qualify for PBP you need to ride an ACP (audax club parisienne) series the year of, prior to the event. Many small clubs only have ACP events so that’s fine but if you have a very active club there may be many (only) RUSA approved events.

It is possible to register for PBP without completing a series (registration happens in ~March) but you must complete a series before the event (mid August). I know of at least one guy who had not done a series the year prior, registered for PBP, bought all the tickets and hotels and merch, but then bonered his (multiple) 600k attempts. Heartbreaker but there are worse things than going to France for vacation

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Mon, 11/13/2017 - 12:34
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Thanks, that's some good contextualization.
If I massively crush an SR series over the course of four consecutive weekends and go on to finish PBP in under fifty hours, I'll probably set up my own club. If I bumble through all of it, finishing in mediocre times and realizing that a PBP effort is an once in a lifetime thing for all but the most dedicated people, I'll probably just join DC Randonneurs or Tidewater and do the occasional brevet with them after the 2019 PBP.

The winter weather in the midatlantic is not amazing for long distance riding, but I'm pretty sure that I can do 200k and 300k rides in the winter, and then hit the 400k and 600k distances as it warms up and gets lighter. I'm using 2018 as a test for 2019 - at my age fitness is relatively predictable, both in terms of plateau and maintenance effort. I will know if I can do a 1200k well before the 2019 spring registration opens. There appears to be an SR series scheduled in Suffolk for 2018, should suffice for testing the waters.

This should be fun. I am now thinking I either need to dynamo and fender my spencer, or do Xtracycle brevets.

Mon, 11/13/2017 - 15:06
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Setting up a club is much easier said than done. You need money and time and approval from regional clubs.

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Mon, 11/13/2017 - 16:02
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That's what I was getting at. If it turned out that my unique purpose in life was to completely excel at randonneuring, I'd devote the necessary time and energy to set up a club. In all likelihood, I am a mediocre randonneur, and will thus concentrate only the energy that my inborn talent and trained capacity prescribes.

Mon, 11/13/2017 - 16:10
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last PBP the SIR illuminati vacationed in New Zealand during the shittiest part of our winter and banged out a sanctioned full series in a week of their nicest summer weather

that freed them up to organize multiple full series in the spring here to qualify as many locals as possible

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Tue, 11/14/2017 - 02:02
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That's awesome - they're doing a lot for randonneuring, I'd imagine that took a lot of work. Also lol winter rando training camp.

I'm currently living in central Virginia, a part of the country with a less intense tradition of randonneuring, but there are definitely clubs, brevets, and weather/landscape that make it not hellish to ride 200k+ on a pretty regular basis.

Tue, 11/14/2017 - 09:34
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Imagine
You and your friends are all dotcom/telecom wealthy and nearing the ends of your careers. Golf is passé so you keep up with brother jones by suffering on your spencer for distances others would quit.
But that’s not enough - you ever had snacks at a soccer game with rich kids on the team? Yeah those good juice boxes and gummies - you have a storage unit full and operating capital to replenish as needed.
With pre-retirement you find you have a lot of time on your hands so you build your club to closely resemble a business, and you’re successful in building a self perpetuating brand that your members love to support.

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Tue, 11/14/2017 - 09:44
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Fun fact: the one Oregon club member that dnf’d pbp only rode 2/5 events with the Oregon club.

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Tue, 11/14/2017 - 09:50
JUGE FREDD
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a couple of the SIR OGs floating stuff are indeed wealthy lawyers and doctors

but the even flirtier ones are career firefighters and plain ol' engineers

the italophile primadonna in the weirdest assos you'd bet anything was a trust fund kid gone grey with a drug elevator is actually a working-class pipefitter

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Wed, 11/15/2017 - 02:33
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Nothing against wealthy folk. SIR is a pretty good club with really great, passionate members.

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Wed, 11/15/2017 - 09:57
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The SIR guy I rode the ferry with, and who always had the rattiest bibs, spencer, and shoes, is a lab manager at the UW. Lots of people who just like bikes. Whenever we were a little, and I mean a little early for the ferry, he'd stop at one of the bodegas on the way and get a 6er to split on the boat.

Wed, 11/15/2017 - 13:03
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iwillbe wrote:
That's what I was getting at. If it turned out that my unique purpose in life was to completely excel at randonneuring, I'd devote the necessary time and energy to set up a club. In all likelihood, I am a mediocre randonneur, and will thus concentrate only the energy that my inborn talent and trained capacity prescribes.

Do it anyway. I’ll join. So will Mark. Probably Brantley too. Hell, you should just “join” the Outpost “team” and be the rando squad leader.

Thu, 11/16/2017 - 21:32
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Ok here’s what I want you guys to do:
1 search RUSA for existing permanents in your area
2 if none are found, start dreaming up 1-2-3-4-600km routes and map them in rwgps or something
3 submit them to the regional brevet advisor of the closest recognized club
4 continue to insta and write dumb stories about your rides
5 wait for RBAs response that you need to add checkpoints here and there
6 ask for RBA or club representative to “assist” in organization of an event (bring the liability disclaimers)
7 hold event (100km) and make damn sure you get 20 bodies and bikes to show up
8 now that you’ve demonstrated need and 4 or 5 new people have signed up for RUSA ask local RBA for instruction or permission to hold events.
Under their club you may not need to pay insurance or you’ll have to send some money - if that, then ask how to set up a club insurance program.

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Thu, 11/16/2017 - 21:47
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9 congrats on your new club, take a couple dumb pictures and stories and submit them to am-rand, the magazine for bicycle liberty

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Thu, 11/16/2017 - 21:52
Endpoint
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sounds hard.

I have a better plan.
How aboot you move here.
Buy a carbon hardtail from me so we can shut down the fopmobile thread and get you focused.
Start the club.
Will and I join and bring the rest of our shop club anti-team.
Brian will share his edibles or weed pen with you.
???
New RUSA club in Richmond!

Thu, 11/16/2017 - 22:01
iwillbe
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Endpoint wrote:
iwillbe wrote:
That's what I was getting at. If it turned out that my unique purpose in life was to completely excel at randonneuring, I'd devote the necessary time and energy to set up a club. In all likelihood, I am a mediocre randonneur, and will thus concentrate only the energy that my inborn talent and trained capacity prescribes.

Do it anyway. I’ll join. So will Mark. Probably Brantley too. Hell, you should just “join” the Outpost “team” and be the rando squad leader.

I'm only interested in this if i'm exclusively and CONSTANTLY referred to as "rando squad leader" during brevets. But yeah, I'll pull some shit together and see how much I get done in the next few weeks. Updates to come.

Thu, 11/16/2017 - 22:02
Endpoint
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In.

I still like my plan better though.

Thu, 11/16/2017 - 22:09
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Oh right join the outpost team. That's easier. My salary demands are modest if we're agreed on the honorific.

edit: I don't read goodly

Thu, 11/16/2017 - 22:26
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Ok mfrs I’m only going to say this a few more times until you get it:

Dithering around on your bikes is fine but it is not a brevet. You need the bureaucracy and administration of grumpy greyhairs and a membership number to participate.

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 00:32
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I, quite frankly, do not care for bureaucracy and administration. Particularly from grumpy greyhairs. I am not a number, I am a free man!

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 00:51
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No masters, no controls, no problem!

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 01:31
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Then you can fuck off from the Randonneuring thread because your long spencer rides are just that: not a brevet.

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 01:42
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Or we can just post whatever we want wherever we want because it's tarck.

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when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 02:08
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Ha... I'm all for my rides becoming legit and attracting greybeards. I'm just too busy to deal with the whole making it legit part. What little brain power I have left after running two businesses (poorly) and being a mediocre dad ends up going to a couple USAC races.

Mig... you're just going to have to move to Richmond as outlined in my simple plan. I hear "Church Hill" is cool.

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 07:28
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Richmond seems like a cool town

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 08:17
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Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
Or we can just post whatever we want wherever we want because it's tarck.

One of my top three reasons I love it here. No grousing about being “off topic” and almost no threads get closed, ever.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 08:18
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Mig, my "pull some shit together" meant "take notes on the club formation rules from RUSA's website, bearing in mind your description of how to form a club, and working with existing organizations of riders already present in Richmond". I am trying to qualify for PBP, after all - can't do the thing if you don't follow the rules.

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 09:42
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You want to qualify? Ride your spencer.

That’s seriously the only advice worth taking.

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 10:03
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you're arguing against ...yourself?

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 10:06
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NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Then you can fuck off from the Randonneuring thread because your long spencer rides are just that: not a brevet.

heh, I was just mildly jimmyrustling earlier with that statement, but after reading this I kind of want to have a serious debate about the subject. Let's remember that nobody here is trying to slam RUSA or your personal achievements, you're obviously very passionate about this and any organization that furthers cycling is OK in my book. This is just for funsies.

Now, with that being said.

RUSA wrote:
Randonneuring is long-distance unsupported endurance cycling. This style of riding is non-competitive in nature, and self-sufficiency is paramount. When riders participate in randonneuring events, they are part of a long tradition that goes back to the beginning of the sport of cycling in France and Italy. Friendly camaraderie, not competition, is the hallmark of randonneuring.

What is to stop a shop or group of people from putting events together, with predefined routes and controls, and calling them brevets? I don't believe that RUSA or ACP own the trademark on that word. Sure, you're not going to qualify for PBP or anything but that's not really a goal for a lot of people. A lot of people also don't have the time to commit to these "sanctioned" events, or the means to get to where they are held. Is an alleycat or a bandit cyclocross race still a race even though USAC doesn't endorse it? Yes. Why should a brevet be any different, especially if all the same guidelines are followed? I feel like it's mostly a pride thing, and I get that, but like I said nobody is trying to trivialize anyone's achievements.

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 11:04
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iwillbe wrote:
you're arguing against ...yourself?

No?

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 11:09
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yes?

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 11:09
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kmcdon wrote:
What is to stop a shop or group of people from putting events together, with predefined routes and controls, and calling them brevets?

The difference between McDonald’s and making it at home: you can’t get the happy meal at home.

kmcdon wrote:
I don't believe that RUSA or ACP own the trademark on that word.

Who would expect a mostly volunteer run organization to put the time and effort into trademarking a name?

kmcdon wrote:
Sure, you're not going to qualify for PBP or anything but that's not really a goal for a lot of people.

I beg to differ. Take a look at attendance PBP years, years after PBP, and years before. There are waves. Secondly, you must be a RUSA member to ride any RUSA events over 199km - this is mostly an insurance thing.

kmcdon wrote:
A lot of people also don't have the time to commit to these "sanctioned" events, or the means to get to where they are held. Is an alleycat or a bandit cyclocross race still a race even though USAC doesn't endorse it? Yes. Why should a brevet be any different, especially if all the same guidelines are followed? I feel like it's mostly a pride thing, and I get that, but like I said nobody is trying to trivialize anyone's achievements.

Sure. You do you. Your bootleg brevets are fine for you and your friends - but if you are going to spend all this energy building this squad, why not send a half dozen more emails and legitimize the effort? I mean, it’s like a licensing agreement - you do your events after approval from the admin, you reap (not insignificant) benefits? Yes, you’ll add a step that might take some extra time but you may get more people from other places traveling to join your squad and you may receive the documentation used for RUSA recognition (like Randonneurs cup, p100, r200, other unimportant trinkets).

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 11:38
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I mean, tarck is a volunteer-run effort who is in the process of trademarking a name, so there's that. From what I'm reading, it seems that you're not taking offense to a "bootleg brevet" still being called that, as long as the organizer isn't trying to bill it as some sanctioned event. And to be fair on a personal level I still would like to get up to Boulder and do some of the official RUSA events, it seems like it'd be a good time. I'm mostly bringing this up because my LBS, who is a band of miscreants and outcasts, does similar "rando-style" events like Braden's. They call it a brevet, they're up-front that they're not sanctioned by RUSA, and nobody cares. It's just like 20 people who enjoy the ride. Not trying to shove it in RUSA's face or anything, but the organizers just aren't very concerned with "being legit", whatever that means.

Serious Q: Does a patch like this offend people who are heavily involved with RUSA? I earned it in an un-sanctioned event, but I still followed all the rules that would have applied if it were some sanctioned event:

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 11:52
NOVELTYNAME
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I’m not offended

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:10
drwelby
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Tarck is about complicating your drivetrain everything

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:10
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Pretty sure Colorado has a couple clubs

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:10
kmcdon
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Well that's great news. Good chat, maybe next year I'll hit some of these:

http://www.rmccrides.com/brevets.htm

I think I'm still going to do the bandit brevets though :)

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:11
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At some point in 2015 I stopped doing permanents and just riding as much as I could. It helped.

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:26
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"Folks want options!"

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 13:13
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That is the weirdest logo

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 13:22

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