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curiousincident
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cable force shifters and the Hayes calipers definitely gonna be lighter than the wet cx1s. certain pros have even complained of the extra weight of the hydro levers out in front of the steering axis impacting handling, but then again they're a pretty special breed.

good point on the mounting configuration Blakey. moving to cannondales so probably flat mount frame and fork but I don't mind running adapters if the 305s are not great, especially with scram shakes.

Mon, 01/08/2018 - 18:55
Blakey
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If you're committed to go to cable disc, I'd def go 305 for flat mount or CX77 for post, the shimano 77s are lighter than the balleurest hayes model without resorting to Ti bolts. Unless you scored a set of the Hayes as takeoffs super cheap and have an ISO/PM frame. (the extra adaptors for using PM on FM look kludgy and add weight)

Edit: You already have the Hayes CX Experts (195g plus ~50g flat to post adaptor), according to this CX Pro is 161g, CX77 is 151g, Spyre is 163g, BB7SL 164g. BR-RS305 is quoted at 170g, with no adaptor needed it beats all the PM cable calipers, +/- pads for a fair comparison to the others, unsure.

From memory Max had the 305s on his trek and was quite happy with them, I'm confident they're good. Cable pull on modern shimano is similar enough to shram so I don't think it'd be an issue. Caliper width probably isn't a consideration as you don't have dyno hubs or crazy high flanges?

Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:51
curiousincident
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yup, this is for cx racing purposes only. the hayes are going to stay on the daily ride where i'm happy with them. avoiding hydro shimano on account of not being able to afford a 1x di2 setup and them being the devil.

Tue, 01/09/2018 - 10:58
dotMR
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DQ: Are folks reasonably happy with cable disc on roadish (not mountain) bikes? Or is this a cross/race specific thing?

Not trying to start a cable / hydro flame, just don't personally have any recent experience since BB5 / early BB7. But sounds like the Hayes CX options are well regarded here.

Tue, 01/09/2018 - 11:40
liquify
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I liked my Shimano CX77 cable disc jawns on my coffeegrinderbiek just fine. But I found the shimano hydro to be better once I made the leap.

Tue, 01/09/2018 - 11:45
curiousincident
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they are mostly underwhelming, including the fancy trp options. cheap OEM stuff is terminally shitty and a pain to set up well. the hayes are pretty good and more than adequate for certain applications, especially cx where your average speed is 13mph. shimano hydro offerings are well regarded for double crank configurations and the general recommendation around here for most. the sram stuff is very hit or miss with lever feel (go figure!), you literally have to rebuild and lubricate the cylinder in the lever out of the box to get them to not feel like mushy garbage 50% of the time. that said they at least function nowadays.

Tue, 01/09/2018 - 11:51
NOVELTYNAME
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I like cx77s and spyres

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Tue, 01/09/2018 - 13:43
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I am happy with my Campy shakes and Hayes CX calipers, but I have no illusion that wet dicks aren’t going to be a huge improvement in braking quality. I didn’t want to spend a lot in the drivetrain, so reusing these pieces, or buying them used, achieved this goal.

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Tue, 01/09/2018 - 16:35
fixed
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i have cx75s on coffee grinder that sees predominantly road. they're fine. they don't need to be adjusted a lot, but it still bugs me every time i have to deal with it. i think if i lived in a place that didn't get much rain/salt/snow i'd be happier with them; i have to adjust a lot more the worse the weather gets.
i was actually thinking about switching to hydro this morning.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 08:42
ShartAttack
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Where does tarckmind fall on actually cleaning chains and those chain-cleaning gizmos? Asker is specifically a 9-speed dead ender if that matters

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 12:36
kmcdon
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(Reply to #43911)

ShartAttack wrote:
Where does tarckmind fall on actually cleaning chains and those chain-cleaning gizmos? Asker is specifically a 9-speed dead ender if that matters

I'm a fan of soaking the chain in kerosene every 6 months or so to get all the shit out.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 12:40
jdsmooth
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Absolutely clean a dirty chain
I never tried a chain scrubber device. Old toothbrushes and spray-on degreaser for me. Rinse with hose.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 15:06
heavymetal
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I'm in a pretty dry climate, so I just wipe down every few hundred kms and re-lube. If i do a dirty/very wet/muddy ride I'll give it some more love, but I've never used a chain cleaning device.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 15:12
bward1028

Chain scrubber is a great way to spill a cup of dirty bong water all over your floor.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 15:34
yummygooey

It's a losing battle 9 months out of the year here in the PNW. I "clean" my chains by putting triflow and then ragging it off every week or so. I change chains every 2k miles, and do a full cassette/chainring clean with every new chain.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 15:41
NOVELTYNAME
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Whenever I can’t hose off most of the grime I put the chain in a water/simple green solution in a mason jar and agitate it for a minute, wash off with water and float it in a bath of triflow

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Wed, 01/10/2018 - 15:47
Andrew_Squirrel
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I used to tediously wipe with rag / add triflow as cleaner / wipe with rag / sometimes add more clean triflow as leave on overnight lubricant
In 2017 I tried pickle jar full of degreaser overnight, spread out on cardboard, scrub with toothbrush, rub clean with rag, wait until it degreaser remnants evaporate off chain and add lube. This worked fine in a spacious garage at old house but not sure I want to do it in the new rental since its probably going to smell up the kitchen.
Second method is much more time consuming, takes up space but comes out spotless. Still not sure what I'm supposed to do with a dirty container of degreaser afterward, ended up leaving jar out until fluid evaporated, wiped out grease remnants with rag and recycled glass container. Also wasn't sure If I could put a greasy cardboard back in recycling?

I recently discovered I have one of those Park Tools chain cleaner gizmos that came with the used tool set but got buried at the bottom of a tool box. I want to give it a try next time but wondering how messy it will be compared to other two methods. Not really stoked on cleaning a cleaning box and getting bong juice over everything. The goal in cleaning a chain should be minimizing the number of times you need to move the same grease from object to object.

Future dream: Special diswasher type machine outside of bike shop where you can pull up, pop your chain off, slide it in the machine, grab a coffee from across the street, and come back to a clean and lubricated chain.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 16:05
iwillbe
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I sort of liked the Park chain cleaner I had a million years ago, it was just a closed case with brushes and a little reservoir. It shifted gunk from the chain to the inside of the device, which then, as Andrew points out, leaves you with more mess to deal with.

Simple Green is, apparently, not great for bike chains in its basic formula, the company has in past recommended that cyclists use some specialized version of their product. I don't know if that's still the case, but there was some flap in years past about the basic formula making chains brittle.

For my bikes, I just relube with TriFlow pretty regularly, trying to get the chain clean-ish, and without too much oil left on the outsides of links. I wipe the chain off with a cheap microfiber towel, which can get cleaned off with hot water and dish soap. I used to be much more of a perfectionist about this, but honestly, I can't tell much of a difference between a perfectly clean chain that's seen 100 hours of use and a pretty clean chain that's seen 100 hours of use.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 16:12
The RTS
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Fuck a chainscrubbinggizmo.

I use an old 2" paint brush and give the drivetrain and 5-10 minute on the bike soak before hosing off. Follow up with a second wash with Dawn before drying and re-lubing. If the drivetrain needs more than it gets a bath in a cheap ultrasonic with a 20% SoylentGreen concentration.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 16:17
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I wipe it with a rag and, and put on more lube when it makes noise.

Anything else is overthinking it atmo.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 16:31
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #43921)

Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
I wipe it with a rag and, and put on more lube when it makes noise.

Anything else is overthinking it atmo.

This. Chains are cheap, yo.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 16:38
jamesacklin
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I wipe with a rag, sometimes with some diluted Simple Green—and in that case, I give it a spray of WD-40 to *ahem* displace the water, and relube.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 17:09
jimmythefly
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I have always been intrigued by the Hope V-Twin or TRP Parabox systems.
Anybody here ever use or set up those systems?

Plusses: I could keep all my 10 speed deadender road shifters and danglers, and I get to mess about with weirdo parts.

I built a homemade system of that type and was amazed how well it worked with basically zero tweaking, guesswork, and using Hayes 9 hydro components to bodge it up.

Its come down to either Hayes CX stuff or one of the above weirdo systems, which if they at least match the cable calipers in performance I might just go for it.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 17:28
lofarkas
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Same here except I don't wipe it. I don't ride in mud and I'm a lazy fuck.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 17:51
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #43925)

Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
I wipe it with a rag and, and put on more lube when it makes noise.

Anything else is overthinking it atmo.

Okay good, so I haven't been overthinking it then

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 18:54
Goddamnit Gunther
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Gold rock n road and then wipe off with an old piece of t shirt yolo

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 19:33
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #43927)

eric_ssucks wrote:
Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
I wipe it with a rag and, and put on more lube when it makes noise.

Anything else is overthinking it atmo.

This. Chains are cheap, yo.

I just bought three 5800 chains for $18 each with free shipping from Nashbar.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 19:38
VT regularbike
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(Reply to #43928)

jimmythefly wrote:
I have always been intrigued by the Hope V-Twin or TRP Parabox systems.
Anybody here ever use or set up those systems?

Plusses: I could keep all my 10 speed deadender road shifters and danglers, and I get to mess about with weirdo parts.

I built a homemade system of that type and was amazed how well it worked with basically zero tweaking, guesswork, and using Hayes 9 hydro components to bodge it up.

Its come down to either Hayes CX stuff or one of the above weirdo systems, which if they at least match the cable calipers in performance I might just go for it.

Let's manufacture some dodadgizmoadapter to turn normal hydro breaker into cable actuated cross top levers

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 19:41
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #43929)

Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
eric_ssucks wrote:
Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
I wipe it with a rag and, and put on more lube when it makes noise.

Anything else is overthinking it atmo.

This. Chains are cheap, yo.

I just bought three 5800 chains for $18 each with free shipping from Nashbar.

What everyone's preferred way to dispose of chains with the use & toss method?
Just trash it or are some municipalities capable of recycling?
I have this illusion in my head that stretching out a chain lifetime is somehow better for the environment but its probably a wash with all the degreasers, lubes, rags and risk of prematurely ruining the other parts of the drivetrain.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 19:51
NOVELTYNAME
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Recycle bin

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Wed, 01/10/2018 - 19:56
crowding
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Back in the day on Usenet there was a guy who made a chain with two quicklinks -- he'd give one half of the chain the full OCD degrease + toothbrush treatment, and the other half just got wiped with a rag and relubed. The neglected half lasted significantly longer.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 20:19
Andrew_Squirrel
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Wouldn't the stretch on OCD side cause extra wear on the other parts of the drivetrain and then the wipe/lube side follow suit and stretch as well?
Having a hard time visualizing how you could keep them separate when they are all share the same teeth.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 20:41
emor
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Fuckit crew here. Life is too goddamn short to be cleaning a god damn bike chain. Just spend $20 every few months and enjoy life.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 21:28
emor
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Q: cheapest/best airline to fly with full sized bike in tow.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 21:30
JUGE FREDD
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Alaskan has made boxed bikes a $25 checked bag for awhile

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Wed, 01/10/2018 - 21:32
bobbythehawk
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you dont clean your chain to make it last longer

you maintain the chain for zen like quiet/smooth running atmo

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 21:37
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #43937)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
Alaskan has made boxed bikes a $25 checked bag for awhile

WestJet, too.

Wed, 01/10/2018 - 21:38
aerobear
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fucka chain cleaner.

in the pnw, lubed and wiped to keep clean. on the road bike, pretty much before every ride. and always wipe the damn pulleys.

in CO/dry climate, i use the park brush to wipe the dust/dirt out of the pulleys and off the chain before lubing, then lube and wipe.

very rarely use any cleaner/degreaser and i get plenty of life out of my chain and plenty of quiet riding. key is to not get it to oily so that shit sticks to the lube and gunks up.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 00:03
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I'm testing Alaska to Hawaii in a few weeks.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 00:08
bward1028

DQ: could you tap threads into the inner diameter of a hollow thru axle so you could mount a fender or something? does that already exist?
Alternatively, run all-thread through the hollow axle and use bolts?

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 01:18
lofarkas
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(Reply to #43941)

crowding wrote:
Back in the day on Usenet there was a guy who made a chain with two quicklinks -- he'd give one half of the chain the full OCD degrease + toothbrush treatment, and the other half just got wiped with a rag and relubed. The neglected half lasted significantly longer.

Good nerd experiment.
Cleaning regime was probably subpar and mashed gunk into the chain. I'm sure it's possible to avoid that with an even more OCD cleaning regime, possibly with an ultrasonic cleaner as the last step, but life is too short to spend your time doing that.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 05:15
ThurberMingus
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(Reply to #43942)

bward1028 wrote:
DQ: could you tap threads into the inner diameter of a hollow thru axle so you could mount a fender or something? does that already exist?
Alternatively, run all-thread through the hollow axle and use bolts?

Specialized makes a TA that’s tapped in the middle for mounting shit. No idea if they work with other bikes though. Thread pitch and all that.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 09:20
jimmythefly
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A very small star nut would work. Or a minituarized quill stem type wedges or other expanding anchor. Could be 3d printed, or sourced from a hardware store.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 11:46
spaghetti
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any thoughts on these tanaka fenders?
http://store.somafab.com/taflfialfegl.html

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 13:27
bobbythehawk
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I wanted to try double threading a spoke to the right length, and using nipples to hold the fender mounting tab

would be a PITD tho if you had to get the wheel out for a flat or something.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 20:38
jawn doe
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best way to ship a hub from the US to the UK? turns out since my hub is an exposure branded SP, i need to send it to USE

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 10:03
NOVELTYNAME
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Usps will be cheaper than fedex

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Sat, 01/13/2018 - 10:53
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #43948)

jawn doe wrote:
best way to ship a hub from the US to the UK? turns out since my hub is an exposure branded SP, i need to send it to USE

Was it one of the thru axle models? I got my QR one via exposure and its been great. Not sure if they ever sorted out the TA ones.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 15:21
jawn doe
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15TA yeah

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 10:53
aek
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I've always been in the fuckit chain crew and just replaced the damn thing whenever I cleaned my bike, so ~ once a year. I HATE cleaning my bike and don't want to touch the chain, like, ever, but that first week of newchainlife is so, so good. Quiet, and I swear I'm a couple minutes faster to work.

So, I recently bought a chain cleaner thing, mostly so I don't have to touch a dirty chain and can make it less gross. I haven't used it, but you guys are making me not want to.

I dunno, I guess I just hate chains.

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 04:23

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