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jamesacklin
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I have Cowbells and would appreciate a little more flare on the drops.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 12:55
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #43352)

Goddamnit Gunther wrote:
Andrew what is stopping you from running the rack to the rearward braze on? That's how I've seen lots of Tubus racks set up

Edit: is it the lack of adjustability with the upper arms?

I am going to double check tonight but I am pretty sure the rear lower braze-on is equidistant from the axle center as the top braze-on.
The flange piece of the Tubus rack is also at its narrowest point when mounted up top whereas going behind the dropout it starts to flare in the wrong direction towards the quick release lever.

I should try mounting it that way just to verify. If it does fit I will need to figure out how to keep the fender stays independent from the rack.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 13:32
shane.rrr
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(Reply to #43353)

Go for it then!

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 13:38
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #43354)

jamesacklin wrote:
I have Cowbells and would appreciate a little more flare on the drops.

I have 42cm Cowbells on the Elephant and love them, they work amazing combined with RS685 levers and have plenty of flare for me. Way more comfortable to ride off road in the drops than my previous elephant with Nitto RM-013 + SRAM Force Levers.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 13:42
kmcdon
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(Reply to #43355)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
jamesacklin wrote:
I have Cowbells and would appreciate a little more flare on the drops.

I have 42cm Cowbells on the Elephant and love them, they work amazing combined with RS685 levers and have plenty of flare for me. Way more comfortable to ride off road in the drops than my previous elephant with Nitto RM-013 + SRAM Force Levers.

Hey, those are the levers I'm using too!

I think I'm gonna just yolo and go for the chippers. I'm sure I can sell them to some radavist nerd if I don't like them.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 14:43
ckd
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Of all places, my local REI had a couple of sets of Cowchippers. Added bonus: you can return them if you hate them.

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Wed, 10/11/2017 - 14:53
Whippin Skidz
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Talk to me about rackless front bags. It's cooling off here so that means I can ride again without wanting to die, and I hate rooting around in my framebag for a snack or something while riding. I'd like a bar bag but I have no way to mount a front rack. Thought about the Swift Paloma but I'm not thrilled about the idea of using a Klikfix get up and having the bag sit that high.

Is something like the Outer Shell drawcord bag my best bet?

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 15:31
kmcdon
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https://northstbags.com/collections/pioneer-12-hip-pack

these have handlebar mounting options, and seem to be pretty good. I use mine as a regular fannypack and there are a lot of internal pockets.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 15:55
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #43359)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
JUGE FREDD wrote:
Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
My plan is to see if Cyclefab can move some fork braze-ons (among other changes) and get the Duo away from the dropouts

I think it'd be much better to mod the rack itself

Yeah, that's a good idea too, but it would be nice to do some mods to the fork and feedback that info to Glen if possible.

I took some photos of the clearance issue if anyone is interested.

Album with more photos here: https://imgur.com/a/qvxDU


Seems like there would be clearance issues no matter what COTS or custom rack you use. The braze-on is just way too close to the dropout.

Had similar issues with my Salsa Vaya / Tubus / Fender collabo. Resorted to bolt-on (Delta) skewers. Hopefully the Advocate won't suffer the same fate.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 16:02
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #43360)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
JUGE FREDD wrote:
Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
My plan is to see if Cyclefab can move some fork braze-ons (among other changes) and get the Duo away from the dropouts

I think it'd be much better to mod the rack itself

Yeah, that's a good idea too, but it would be nice to do some mods to the fork and feedback that info to Glen if possible.

I took some photos of the clearance issue if anyone is interested.

Album with more photos here: https://imgur.com/a/qvxDU


Seems like there would be clearance issues no matter what COTS or custom rack you use. The braze-on is just way too close to the dropout.

Had similar issues with my Salsa Vaya / Tubus / Fender collabo. Resorted to bolt-on (Delta) skewers. Hopefully the Advocate won't suffer the same fate.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 16:02
jdsmooth
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(Reply to #43361)

the Outer Shell thing is a nice looking bag.
I use Jandd FBBs, which are similar size (2.5l) and super cheap when on sale. Big enough for my snacks, camera, phone, etc. Not the easiest to rummage through while riding, but I can forgive that.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 17:00
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #43362)

Rentable Faxmachine wrote:
Had similar issues with my Salsa Vaya / Tubus / Fender collabo. Resorted to bolt-on (Delta) skewers. Hopefully the Advocate won't suffer the same fate.

I forgot to mention earlier that the lawyer-lips on the forward facing dropouts are what really exacerbates the issue.
You gotta open the QR really wide to get past the lips then quickly realize that QR nut clips the rack tab 4 times per revolution & you need to spin it many, many times to get it near-tight. If there weren't lips you could get the QR to a mostly clamped position and slip it in with only a few revolutions required to tighten it down.
Do most forward facing dropouts on disc bikes have lawyer-lips or is this something I could file down?

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 17:12
johnasavoia
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(Reply to #43363)

Whippin Skidz wrote:
Talk to me about rackless front bags. It's cooling off here so that means I can ride again without wanting to die, and I hate rooting around in my framebag for a snack or something while riding. I'd like a bar bag but I have no way to mount a front rack. Thought about the Swift Paloma but I'm not thrilled about the idea of using a Klikfix get up and having the bag sit that high.

Is something like the Outer Shell drawcord bag my best bet?

Extremely dorky (but not as much as klikfix, but I have one of these and its really useful, especially with a couple feedbags.
https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FMBHP2

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 18:19
mander
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(Reply to #43364)

mander wrote:
My neighbour gave me an Adams trailabike and i like it. Now that my oldest is 5 she can lay down some decent watts on it. We had fun passing a genuine kitted roadie at > 30 km/h on the way to soccer last saturday. The pivots are sloppy which is annoying and encouranges the leaning mentioned by shane.rrr.

Actually you can tighten up the pivot bolts to get rid of that slop. #bicyclesecrets

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 03:39
emor
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(Reply to #43365)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
Rentable Faxmachine wrote:
Had similar issues with my Salsa Vaya / Tubus / Fender collabo. Resorted to bolt-on (Delta) skewers. Hopefully the Advocate won't suffer the same fate.

I forgot to mention earlier that the lawyer-lips on the forward facing dropouts are what really exacerbates the issue.
You gotta open the QR really wide to get past the lips then quickly realize that QR nut clips the rack tab 4 times per revolution & you need to spin it many, many times to get it near-tight. If there weren't lips you could get the QR to a mostly clamped position and slip it in with only a few revolutions required to tighten it down.
Do most forward facing dropouts on disc bikes have lawyer-lips or is this something I could file down?

With forward-facing dropouts, I'd feel fine filing the lips down, especially after riding the bike for a while and not having any wheel retention issues after hard braking.

Edit: but that's me. Wrong opinion?

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Thu, 10/12/2017 - 08:56
heavymetal
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I've had some small wheel movements on my NFE, even with XT skewers clamped down haaaard. Imma leaving my lawyer lips in situ.

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 15:37
yummygooey

is it shart to ream the 27.0 seat tube on my bridgestone mb-3 to 27.2 and put a dropper post on it?

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 16:14
VT regularbike
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I wouldn't sweat it.

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i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 20:12
Endpoint
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Should I build a Yuba and put a bafang motor in it?

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 23:01
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #43370)

Endpoint wrote:
Should I build a Yuba and put a bafang motor in it?

What, just to see if the Voltron of crap is better than the individual components?

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 23:28
Endpoint
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We helped a dude put a bafang on a motorbacon fatbike a few months ago he's still ripping around town on it... plus I have just about everything else I need to build it.

I'm not spending $3000 on a Bosch kid hauler.

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 23:38
eric_ssucks
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Lest you think I'm trying to talk you into it, a yuba with an electric assist has got to be miles better than the original idiot powered version. I'd love to do something similar with the xtracycle but I got other things to spend money on.

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 23:53
Blakey
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If there was a nice torque sensing kit, that would be better, but options are limited unless you get a Bionx wheel, or a very nerdy cycleanalyst driven kit AFAIK.

I put a bafang BBS02 on the shopping bike.

Pros:

  • hauls groceries up the hill like woah.
  • If you can find the kit that has a 6V output for a headlight (euro B&M e-bike lights) that would be awesome and avoid a dyno wheel. It's switched from the controller that inverts the display at the same time. You lose the throttle with that, which is perfect.
  • Probably the best value kit available.
  • Less hard on dropouts than a wheel motor, can use any wheels, easier to fix flats.
  • CoG nice and low.
  • "walk assist" is handy, hold down a button for a very low speed drive when you're pushing the bike.

Cons:

  • heavy bike, when I rode it with a very low battery and had to ride up that hill unassisted I was dying. Not fun to ride that way.
  • PAS can be klunky, get the programming cable to tweak the level of assist / soft start. It'll never be as good as a torque sensing like STePs/Bosch etc.
  • BB is part of the motor unit, not sure how easy that is to rebuild when the bearings go.
  • Stock levers are linear pull, there is a hydraulic lever/brake option with inbuilt switches I think but they'll be a garbage brake, or you can get standalone hall effect / micro switches to hookup to other levers but that looks kludgy (actually, can be less kludgy). I have it hooked up to a cable disc in the front and vee in the rear, works great, power cuts instantly.
  • The stock crankarms are apparently cheesy, easy replacement with STePs arms if they flog out.

The battery cradle has 3 holes, so I rivnutted the DT for an extra mount, nothing has moved yet.
I built a 32H wheel around an SLX hub/DT eyeletted rim, AlpineIII spokes, no problem so far. I also got the smallest (44T) chainring available to minimise speed / load on motor. Running through 8sp 11-32 drivetrain. Even so, I detuned the programming to limit max current and max assist as it's still able to be too fast for non dickish use otherwise. I also left the throttle in the box so it's pedal assist only, but you can still cheat by doing the softest pedal in the world and it'll kick in the power. I don't have the shift-sensor but feather the brake when shifting to cut power.

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 03:11
Rentable Faxmachine
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The Karmic that I'm riding has a Bafang, and it's nowhere near as nice as Bosch. PAS levels 1 and 2 are all but useless. It's quieter than a Bosch, but just feels incredibly basic by comparison.

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 10:49
Andrew_Squirrel
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SQ:
Ok, starting to prepare to have Cyclefab frame mods done to the brown Elephant NFE.

Still waffling on what to do with the lonely rear hydro line that follows the downtube/chainstay. I realllllly want to run it up the seatstay & bundle on top-tube with its brethren. Unfortunately I've talked to a few people and it appears the available banjos don't match the Shimano BR-RS785 caliper threading.
Fred shared those Shimano compatible Hope RX4, 4-piston calipers available in ano colors and I can't stop thinking about them.
I emailed Hope about RX-4 banjos yesterday and they said "You can use on standard banjo fitting; the part code is HBSP162"
When Hope says "standard" do you think they mean that any LBS would have the parts or is it their "standard" across all hydro models?

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=135110;menu=1000,2,15,117

Overall do you think this is good or bad idea?

I can get them from Bike24 for $77 per caliper. Thinking of replacing both calipers Orange/Orange or Orange/Blue or Blue/Blue.
But maybe I should try one first before going all-in?
Although I could save on shipping if I order both now and if they don't work out I could probably resell as a pair.

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=217498;menu=1000,4,320,322
https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=217509;menu=1000,4,320,322


Fri, 10/13/2017 - 14:14
ShartAttack
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I think you should just get another Elephant and have it built entirely around those brake calipers

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 14:28
shane.rrr
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(Reply to #43377)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
SQ:
Ok, starting to prepare to have Cyclefab frame mods done to the brown Elephant NFE.

Still waffling on what to do with the lonely rear hydro line that follows the downtube/chainstay. I realllllly want to run it up the seatstay & bundle on top-tube with its brethren. Unfortunately I've talked to a few people and it appears the available banjos don't match the Shimano BR-RS785 caliper threading.
Fred shared those Shimano compatible Hope RX4, 4-piston calipers available in ano colors and I can't stop thinking about them.
I emailed Hope about RX-4 banjos yesterday and they said "You can use on standard banjo fitting; the part code is HBSP162"
When Hope says "standard" do you think they mean that any LBS would have the parts or is it their "standard" across all hydro models?

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=135110;menu=1000,2,15,117

Overall do you think this is good or bad idea?

I can get them from Bike24 for $77 per caliper. Thinking of replacing both calipers Orange/Orange or Orange/Blue or Blue/Blue.
But maybe I should try one first before going all-in?
Although I could save on shipping if I order both now and if they don't work out I could probably resell as a pair.

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=217498;menu=1000,4,320,322
https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=217509;menu=1000,4,320,322


Maybe I missed it but what mods are you having done?

Those Orange calipers are hot!

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 15:01
Andrew_Squirrel
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This is the wish list for frame modifications but I'm not expecting all of them. Whatever Cyclefab is willing to do for the amount of $$.
- Fix Tubus Lowrider collision with skewer
- Move rear disc brake tab to seat-stay and put new hose guides on seat-stay OR keep caliper on chain-stay, new hose guides on seat-stay & use banjo to make right angle.
- Dynamo wiring guides up fork leg (or reinforced holes at dropout & midfork)
- Add one rear Light Mount halfway non-driveside seat-stay

Mods to Cyclefab Porteur Rack:
- Move light mount up / forward, possibly add permanent bracket. Use Luxos U to pinpoint location
- Wire guides similar to my Jeff Lyon fork

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 15:09
JUGE FREDD
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don't fuck with where the caliper is mounted, keep it on the chainstay

get it all installed with zipties on the seatstays before you start the brazeon party

is this all prelude to replacing the brown paint?

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Fri, 10/13/2017 - 15:52
Andrew_Squirrel
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Yeah, brown powder coat is on its way out.

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 16:08
NOVELTYNAME
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Why not start from scratch with a guy like curtlo? Don’t you love yourself enough to get a custom frame?

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 16:21
Andrew_Squirrel
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What would be the benefit of starting from scratch?
Has curtlo ever made a low trail adventure bike?

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 16:26
NOVELTYNAME
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No but he’s made a ton a bikes

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 10/13/2017 - 17:35
emor
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Mig, in response to every possible query: “spend more money”

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 01:41
Blakey
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(Reply to #43385)

Rentable Faxmachine wrote:
The Karmic that I'm riding has a Bafang, and it's nowhere near as nice as Bosch. PAS levels 1 and 2 are all but useless. It's quieter than a Bosch, but just feels incredibly basic by comparison.

What voltage battery? At max amps mine can theoretically do 1000w but I've limited amperage severely and have speed cutoffs too. It is quite quiet in use. Another benefit I remembered today on a library-hardware-shopping run with a brutal headwind is the nice acceleration boost from zero, often it'll be doing no assist on the flat but the brief accel is great to cross a busy road/get the bike up to speed etc.

Andrew, orange calipers for sure! What colour are you intending to paint the frame?

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 02:56
Viggen
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(Reply to #43386)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
SQ:
Ok, starting to prepare to have Cyclefab frame mods done to the brown Elephant NFE.

I can get them from Bike24 for $77 per caliper. Thinking of replacing both calipers Orange/Orange or Orange/Blue or Blue/Blue.
But maybe I should try one first before going all-in?
Although I could save on shipping if I order both now and if they don't work out I could probably resell as a pair.

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=217498;menu=1000,4,320,322
https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=217509;menu=1000,4,320,322

Like Fred says don't fuck with the mounting place of the brake.
There's NO need to "get one Hope calliper first just to try it", they have their brake game on fucking lock. You won't be disappointed.
My vote is for ROARANGE callipers.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 05:54
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #43387)

emor wrote:
Mig, in response to every possible query: “spend more money”

Why not tho

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 10:39
NOVELTYNAME
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Let’s think realistically:
Frame mods:$500
Paint:$150+

New frame from curtlo:$1200

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 12:31
ckd
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^ When you put it into that perspective, it makes me think that both sides of the argument are crazy.

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Sat, 10/14/2017 - 15:53
sparksflyhigh
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(Reply to #43390)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
emor wrote:
Mig, in response to every possible query: “spend more money”

Why not tho

Why would he want to spend, by this estimate, $550 dollars to replace his low trail rando/adventure bike with something totally different by Curtlo

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 16:02
NOVELTYNAME
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2 frames instead of 1?
Homeboy probably has a partsbin of nerdbikeable bits

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 17:32
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #43392)

sparksflyhigh wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
emor wrote:
Mig, in response to every possible query: “spend more money”

Why not tho

Why would he want to spend, by this estimate, $550 dollars to replace his low trail rando/adventure bike with something totally different by Curtlo

$650 math wizard

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 17:32
NOVELTYNAME
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Powder coat is $150 unless you got brodeals or like shitty powdercoaters

$500 is a pretty standard “get stuff hot” charge

Not counting powdercoat removal?
Chasing and facing?
New decals?

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 17:36
sparksflyhigh
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(Reply to #43394)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
sparksflyhigh wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
emor wrote:
Mig, in response to every possible query: “spend more money”

Why not tho

Why would he want to spend, by this estimate, $550 dollars to replace his low trail rando/adventure bike with something totally different by Curtlo

$650 math wizard

1200-650=550. If anything, I would guess a brodeal is coming from the cyclefab modifications

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 20:51
Wintage Townie
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Even if Squirrel is paying full price for the mods (which is incredibly unlikely), Mig, this is the stupidest hill to die on.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 10/14/2017 - 21:34
ckd
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He should just get an Endpoint.

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Sat, 10/14/2017 - 22:56
ckd
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Or a Cross Check

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Sat, 10/14/2017 - 22:57
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #43398)

Blakey wrote:
What colour are you intending to paint the frame?

I'm going to be predictable and go with International Orange T009-OG26 again. This is an shameful effort to reclaim the spirit of the original proto NFE but in disc form.
Not sure if I will go for it but I am also considering painting Cyclefab rack & Tubus Lowriders (maybe fork too?) with accent color that matches this bar tape:

I have a feeling many people will hate this color change but I am compelled to let this bike reach its ultimate over-the-top form so I can get it out of my system.

The only reason I am doing any of these mods & paint is because Elephant was very gracious with how much they billed for the frame. I just hope I'm not shitting all over that gesture by changing it.
I also recently looked at my itemized parts price list and subtracted how much I sold the original canti NFE for and realize I've put way less money into this bike than I thought.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 00:00
Wintage Townie
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I wanna see Squirrel's itemized price lists.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 00:13
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #43400)

Wintage Townie wrote:
this is the stupidest hill to die on.

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 01:16

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