Help me build up this weird frame set. Pedimoto. Rohloff...

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Help me build up this weird frame set. Pedimoto. Rohloff...

Hi folks,

I sold at the New York spencer jumble yesterday and when I arrived at 6AM this frame set was crammed in with a bunch of run-of-the-mill complete bikes. The guy said it was built by Pedimoto and a quick google search proved that. I gave him 200.00 for it and now I want to build the damn thing. It was built for a Rohloff which I'd rather not fork out the dough for considering I have plenty of parts to build it.

So, the dropouts appear to be paragons. The Rohloff dropout that attaches to them seems to sit lower than the paragon dropout with a derailleur hanger. Is this true or does it just look that way because it's so much larger? If I can attach the paragon derailleur dropout, I'll just have to get creative with cable routing and I think it will work out. Or am I missing something about a rohloff specific build that might keep me from succeeding? I already ordered a clamp on cable stop for the chain stay if that plan does work out. Also, what about fender mounts for the rear? Would this have been part of the dropout or will I have to use P clamps...which would kind of be a shame.

Besides that, the frame has some awesome details including full internal cable routing (debatably rad) and internal routing for dynamos, a lot of tire clearance and superfulous cool details and curvy bits. One kind of cool/kind of shitty thing is that it takes a quill style seatpost so I'll be tracking one of those down or making one.

Any insights and opinions into building this thing would be much appreciated.

IMG_2735 by Eric Oglander, on Flickr

IMG_2734 by Eric Oglander, on Flickr

IMG_2733 by Eric Oglander, on Flickr

IMG_2731 by Eric Oglander, on Flickr

IMG_2737 by Eric Oglander, on Flickr

Sun, 09/10/2017 - 16:12
drwelby
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Those aren't Paragon - they were sold by Pacenti a long time ago. The inserts might be interchangeable but I don't know for sure. They were probably made by the same factory that makes the IRD dropouts so you might be able to use those inserts.

Sun, 09/10/2017 - 16:28
Blakey
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I remember a bunch of pedimotos being on ebay a few years back, all with that hellenic stay treatment and lots of internal routing.

Just turned this up, seems the builder is a bit sketch
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/TU5FYk8q2Fk

Sun, 09/10/2017 - 19:35
E-ROCK
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(Reply to #3)

Blakey wrote:
I remember a bunch of pedimotos being on ebay a few years back, all with that hellenic stay treatment and lots of internal routing.

Just turned this up, seems the builder is a bit sketch
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/TU5FYk8q2Fk

Yeah, I've found a lot of dirt on the guy unfortunately. He also hardly exists. Weird dude.

Edit: went ahead and bought the inserts for a derailleur from paragon.

Sun, 09/10/2017 - 19:46
lukasz
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omg those ibobers are insufferable

Sun, 09/10/2017 - 20:22
JUGE FREDD
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most of these bikes I've seen have fairly small tire clearance

narrow fork crowns and unmanipulated straight chainstays

is this 700c or 650b?

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Mon, 09/11/2017 - 03:53
E-ROCK
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(Reply to #6)

700C

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 08:08
hiimjoshimabike
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E-ROCK wrote:
I sold at the New York spencer jumble yesterday

Oh shit I totally saw you. I don't have any insight for builds, but I'll be following this thread.

Actually, I bet this hilariously overpriced rear light would look great on that frame:

Just ride your fucking bike and don't be a dick about it.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 08:10
E-ROCK
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Well damn. You should have said hello. Or are you now recognizing me because I had this frame?

That's essentially the light I'd like to have, but that price is bonkers.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 08:34
drwelby
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Velo Lumino is coming out with a similar light for only $120

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 08:39
Rentable Faxmachine
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"Your framebuilder"

smiley

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 10:49
jamesacklin
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Quote:
This taillight requires a dedicated braze-on (included). It cannot be attached to a spencer that does not have a braze-on for the taillight.

Hold my beer

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 11:20
hiimjoshimabike
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(Reply to #12)

Yeah, I just remember seeing that spencer from the other side of the crowd.

Just ride your fucking bike and don't be a dick about it.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 20:55
crowding
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I'd slot the seat tube and use an external clamp.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 21:01
E-ROCK
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(Reply to #14)

I considered that but felt like there might not be enough material?

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 07:16
Shortpants
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does anyone other than bmx companies make quill posts?

EDIT: I just realized I'm not even thinking of the right thing. I'm thinking of bmx posts that the rail clamp is adjusted through a slot in the seat. So not even the right type of seatpost. Now I realize I don't think I've ever seen a quill seatpost.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:22
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #16)

I'm not sure if we are talking the same thing, but you can get a post, that has the same internals as a quill stem. They are as heavy as hell with a big steel bolt and a wedge. Pretty sure they are on Ebay, but may not be in the appropriate width. I think mine was 26.8 mm .

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 16:14
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Tue, 09/12/2017 - 17:44
E-ROCK
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Yeah, because you can't ride bikes without disc brakes. And this spencer sucks for 200.00. And hunting for spencer parts or making them yourself is a total bummer.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 19:55
drwelby
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It's weird that the rear boss that looks like it's for a tail light isn't mitered to be parallel to the ground. Could that be there to hold the seat post like the old Peugeots?

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 22:28
Goddamnit Gunther
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Shortpants wrote:
does anyone other than bmx companies make quill posts?

EDIT: I just realized I'm not even thinking of the right thing. I'm thinking of bmx posts that the rail clamp is adjusted through a slot in the seat. So not even the right type of seatpost. Now I realize I don't think I've ever seen a quill seatpost.

Youre thinking of a pivotal post

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 23:12
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #21)

Looks feasible.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 23:26
euclid
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(Reply to #22)

drwelby wrote:
It's weird that the rear boss that looks like it's for a tail light isn't mitered to be parallel to the ground. Could that be there to hold the seat post like the old Peugeots?

I had this thought too

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 23:29
Shortpants
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Goddamnit Gunther wrote:
Shortpants wrote:
does anyone other than bmx companies make quill posts?

EDIT: I just realized I'm not even thinking of the right thing. I'm thinking of bmx posts that the rail clamp is adjusted through a slot in the seat. So not even the right type of seatpost. Now I realize I don't think I've ever seen a quill seatpost.

Youre thinking of a pivotal post

Yes I am! I always thought those were neat.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 23:36
drwelby
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They make quill style Pivotals.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 23:48
Goddamnit Gunther
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In a weird sort of fucked up way that post makes sense. I assume the bolt for the wedge is also the one used to clamp down the seat?

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 00:17
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Wed, 09/13/2017 - 07:09
E-ROCK
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You're welcome for the link

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 07:10
Blakey
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Where does the brake cable exit? I remember a lot had pierced ST bare cables, which is even more of a seatpost hassle.



Wed, 09/13/2017 - 07:20
drwelby
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Does it have a port for a tail light wire? I can see a hole in the down tube in one of the pictures but I thought it could also be for one of the Rohloff cables.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 08:49
E-ROCK
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It has two holes in the seat tube. One for the brake cable and one for a dynamo. But yeah, that does make the seat post debacle more debaclish. I only had a fizik arione on hand for checking the saddle height on the frame so I need to check for a brooks or something. It will be very short.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 08:59
drwelby
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It would be a pretty easy machining project to mod one of these cheapo seatposts:

Put a flat and hole on the top, cut to length, cut the wedge piece, turn and tap a nut to press into the wedge.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 09:30
eric_ssucks
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Can't you just slap a collar on it and call it good? Maybe even slot it. This is the opposite of threading a threadless 25.4mm steerer.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 11:13
E-ROCK
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I don't know if there's enough material above the top tube?

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 11:59
E-ROCK
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drwelby wrote:
It would be a pretty easy machining project to mod one of these cheapo seatposts:
Put a flat and hole on the top, cut to length, cut the wedge piece, turn and tap a nut to press into the wedge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TkjA41tJ78

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 12:07
drwelby
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haha, yeah, that would work too.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 12:16
eric_ssucks
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maybe you could commission a seatpost from estlund, who would make exactly what you need. Personally, I'd probably fuck up the spencer by slotting the seat tube, drilling out the end, filing it smooth, and throwing a low profile clamp on there because fuck a quill anything.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 13:20
Blakey
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The frame is chromed? So adding ears on the back side for a clamp is harder.

An external clamp wouldn't clear the TT/fillet.

You could slot a regular seatpost to pass the brake cable through, but not with a quill bolt in it.

Having it stop above the light brazeon bodes poorly for the frame, it should go at least past the SS crossing... Which is where the brake cable is.

debacle indeed

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 18:38
drwelby
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Does the hole on the tail light mount even go all the way through to use for a setscrew? I could see using something like one of those Nitto double-ended canti boss/rack mount bolts to hold the post and mount a bracket for a Secula.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 19:06
E-ROCK
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Blakey wrote:
Having it stop above the light brazeon bodes poorly for the frame, it should go at least past the SS crossing... Which is where the brake cable is.
debacle indeed

There are two holes below the light braze on. The top one is for dynamo routing and the bottom is for the brake cable. I think that's plenty of seat post in the frame, coming from someone who is not a frame builder.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 19:17
E-ROCK
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drwelby wrote:
Does the hole on the tail light mount even go all the way through to use for a setscrew? I could see using something like one of those Nitto double-ended canti boss/rack mount bolts to hold the post and mount a bracket for a Secula.

I wondered if that braze on was intended for that purpose myself but after looking at his other bikes I deduced that it wasn't. It is in fact a hole but not big enough to send a screw through, although that could be remedied.

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 19:20
Blakey
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Ahh, couldn't see both holes on the phone. So you could get it as far as the SS/ST interface, that's ok. (I saw a frame that had hellenic stays run with the post above the crossing and that's where it cracked through.)

Wed, 09/13/2017 - 19:27
E-ROCK
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Got the paragon dropouts installed although it required me sanding down the dropouts so that the bolts could tighten them against the sliders. There's also some slop top/bottom but I got them tight enough that I don't think it will be a problem...

What about racks. Is the nitto campee the only production front rack that allows for mounting on the canti bosses? The fork crown isn't drilled. I'm thinking I'll basket this spencer but I want a stable platform. So far, this frame is a PITA. Kind of fun though.

Thu, 09/14/2017 - 09:00