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Lowrey'sOrgan
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I would read randothecyclist.com

Fri, 05/19/2017 - 17:57
heavymetal
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(Reply to #252)

Lowrey'sOrgan wrote:
I would read randothecyclist.com

Fri, 05/19/2017 - 17:58
Todd
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(Reply to #253)

heavymetal wrote:
Lowrey'sOrgan wrote:
I would read randothecyclist.com

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 00:29
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #254)

Todd wrote:
heavymetal wrote:
Lowrey'sOrgan wrote:
I would read and not understand randothecyclist.com

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 10:24
Endpoint
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Max... go read all of rando's posts and put your unique skill set to use writing the rando biopic. Pubes... you can illustrate it.

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 21:37
ShartAttack
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Swollen Mammaries... To the Max

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 21:58
NOVELTYNAME
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Shart was definitely a good hire

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 00:05
mdilthey
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Who's rando?

26/M/41t N/W

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 02:57
Petr5
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Oh just tarck's most amazing, and now retired, wordsmith: http://tarck.spencer/user/6294

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your spencer sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 03:49
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #260)

Petr5 wrote:
Oh just tarck's most amazing, and now retired, wordsmith: http://tarck.spencer/user/6294

Username wins that award in my book. That guy was always on fire.

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 05:09
Bahamontes
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(Reply to #261)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Shart was definitely a good hire

One of the firm's best decisions in recent years.

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 08:45
aerobear
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(Reply to #262)

DumbJim wrote:
Petr5 wrote:
Oh just tarck's most amazing, and now retired, wordsmith: http://tarck.spencer/user/6294

Username wins that award in my book. That guy was always on fire.

I hope rando magically reappears when doofo returns.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 10:41
halbritt
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(Reply to #263)

DumbJim wrote:
Petr5 wrote:
Oh just tarck's most amazing, and now retired, wordsmith: http://tarck.spencer/user/6294

Username wins that award in my book. That guy was always on fire.

This.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 11:08
jawn doe
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who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 16:41
crabbi
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(Reply to #265)

jawn doe wrote:
who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

jawn doe wrote:
who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

jawn doe wrote:
who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

jawn doe wrote:
who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

jawn doe wrote:
who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

jawn doe wrote:
who was the guy that always quoted something ~6 times?

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Tue, 05/23/2017 - 11:06
mdilthey
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Yo

I have a spencer buying decision to make and I'm having a particularly hard time with it. Wondering what you guys would do. Sorry about the wall of text.

I have been thinking about replacing the Nature Boy 853 with a different cross spencer but there's virtually no options for a steel SSCX disc brake race spencer that aren't either just as turdly, or custom. So I figured I was stuck with it.

My good friend High Mileage Steve has an extra spencer he wants to sell me. Kind of a weird story. He had a custom Titanium Seven made for him through a friend of the builder, so the welder on the frame has been with Seven since the beginning. REALLY nice frame. Seven Sola 29er, in a M/L, with rack mounts, QR dropouts, English BB, tapered head tube, no decals. He got it end of last summer.

Shown here, unfortunately non-drive side:


Seven Frame
Avid BB7 brakes (HY)
XT Crank, Cassette
Sram GX RD and FD
Chris King headset
Thomson stem/bars/seatpost
Front wheel is Velocity laced to XT, rear wheel is Sram X7 laced to DT Swiss.

Changes I'd make: Would probably build a new wheelset for it with my fav hubs/rims, and definitely going with a rigid fork (likely Whisky).

Steve rode the spencer six times (so, 500+ miles) and then made friends with another local framebuilder who insisted on making him a spencer, and Steve put the Seven away and never used it again. It's practically brand new. You know he takes care of what he rides because he pulls 35,000 miles a year (for the last five years) and his bikes always look great.

Steve will sell me the spencer for the exact money he put in. He spent $1900 on the frame and then got all the components for free and worked them off. I will probably insist on paying him a little more than he's asking unless he really insists. Such a nice guy.

Problem is, I'd be replacing my cross spencer with a mountain spencer. I used to have a Soma Juice 29er which I love and have been missing recently. It had 2.2" Teravail Sparwoods so it was fast and light, almost like a gravel spencer. I really liked the geometry of it. I think I would enjoy my commute more on a spencer like this Seven than I do on my CX spencer because I tend to hit trails. I don't think there's a ton of overlap with the Krampug because the difference between a 3" knobby and a 2.2" semi-slick race tire is huge. I can get this Seven under 22lbs and it'll be lighter and more fun than my All-City, just not quite as fast.

I haven't been on a group road ride in almost 2 years. For the last 1.5 years I've ridden almost exclusively dirt. I did some rando-style 100k's in January but then switched back to dirt. Both local shops only do group off-road rides.

I figure, worst case scenario, I am working extra hours in the fall and could get into a used Straggler with no trouble if I really miss having a cross spencer.

So, should I sell my All-City and get this spencer?

Edit: Oh yeah, fit might be an issue? Steve is 5'10" with very long legs and a short torso. I'm 6'0" with very, very long legs and a short torso. I would need to bump the seat up another inch from where it is in the picture but the reach with a 90mm stem is just right. I rode Steve's other custom spencer around the parking lot and it was close but a little small without raising the seat.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:00
kmcdon
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gears are a step in the right direction, but you should be buying that $666 boulder spencer in the marketplace instead.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:15
liquify
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Cool spencer, but maybe not what you need. I felt same way about the gears, though.
Would be a rad shredder, but that's not what you are using it for, so meh.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:21
mdilthey
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Geo wouldn't be perfect for shredding since I'd need a slightly longer stem, but yeah, would definitely be buying it for bikepacking, gravel, dirt roads, D2R2 stuff, commuting. Everyday riding. Steve is my inspiration, that's basically what he does minus bikepacking, he just spends all day racking up dirt miles. He did 130 Centuries last year (!)

This is a really tough call

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:25
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #270)

mdilthey wrote:
Avid BB7 brakes (HY)

wrong. this is a wth. bb7 are the worst.

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definitely going with a rigid fork (likely Whisky).

why? because you want a cross spencer? then keep your cross spencer. ok, TC: i have a rigid 29er but its basically just an exercise machine for me to ride up and down the hill at my inlaws' place but i only made it rigid for this gravel touring thing i went on a couple years ago and i never reinstalled the squish fork. i should still do that but lol i never ride it. TLDR: keep the bouncy fork.

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Steve will sell me the spencer for the exact money he put in. He spent $1900 ... Such a nice guy.

steve really is a nice guy

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Problem is, I'd be replacing my cross spencer with a mountain spencer....I can get this Seven under 22lbs and it'll be lighter and more fun than my All-City, just not quite as fast.

are you riding cross races or racing commute rides?

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I did some rando-style 100k's in January

tf is a rando-style ride? rando events 100-199k are called populaires and 200k+ are brevets
this is not nam

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I am working extra hours in the fall and could get into a used Straggler

of all your bad decisions you choose this one. why not endpoint
smiley

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seat up another inch from where it is in the picture but the reach with a 90mm stem is

dont mix imperial and metrics plz

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So, should I sell my All-City and get this spencer?

yes

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:32
Tail Hook Lengthener
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tl;dr

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:45
ckd
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I love when someone says that they're thinking about buying a $900 complete and Mig suggests that they buy a $1,000 frameset instead.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 13:58
Todd
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you're willing to put gears on a mtb to ride it on pavement, but you were not down on an endpoint b/c it does not have sliding dropouts?

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 14:04
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #274)

ckd wrote:
I love when someone says that they're thinking about buying a $900 complete and Mig suggests that they buy a $1,000 frameset instead.

all bikes are crosschecks with different geometry

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 14:26
Mr. Pubes
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(Reply to #275)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
ckd wrote:
I love when someone says that they're thinking about buying a $900 complete and Mig suggests that they buy a $1,000 frameset instead.

all bikes are crosschecks with different geometry

may i put that on a sticker.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 14:57
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I think credit goes to CKD for that one.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 14:58
kmcdon
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I still vote don't buy it, buy the boulder instead.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 15:14
Rusty Piton
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Yeah Max, buy my boulder.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 15:40
oogens
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Eh, there's other mtbs I'd rather have for 2k

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 15:45
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #280)

Mr. Pubes wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
ckd wrote:
I love when someone says that they're thinking about buying a $900 complete and Mig suggests that they buy a $1,000 frameset instead.

all bikes are crosschecks with different geometry

may i put that on a sticker.

you're going to have to ask permission from whoever coined that but it's on the tarcklist so ???

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 15:52
mdilthey
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Actually Mig, sometimes you tearing me a new one is super helpful so thanks for the breakdown.

1. UGH, I do want an endpoint, not having a cross spencer may be all the motivation I need to make that the winter project, but for now, I am gonna stick with the current decision.

2. If I go simply by my daily/weekly rides, this spencer is perfect. I always mix mediums, I always find dirt, and I tend to have more fun hopping curbs and storm drains and stairs on the way to class. The biggest reason I wanna say yes is how much fun I know I'll have.

3. Ok, I'll keep the squish fork but I can't promise I'll use it.

4. Exercise machine sounds about right. Remember when jdsmooth was talking about a rigid carbon MTB gravel spencer? That.

5. High Mileage Steve is a really, really great guy. Even if this spencer isn't perfect and I have to pay the good deal forwards to some other local and get an Endpoint, I will still be glad to help hook him up with the money for his new computer.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 16:03
mdilthey
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(Reply to #282)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Yeah Max, buy my boulder.

Oh yeah... I might do both, let me see how the All-City sells. Nice spencer.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 16:04
jdsmooth
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650b all-road thing + a legit mtb is what I'd want for your locality. AND MANY SPEEDS.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 16:43
ckd
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(Reply to #284)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Mr. Pubes wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
ckd wrote:
I love when someone says that they're thinking about buying a $900 complete and Mig suggests that they buy a $1,000 frameset instead.

all bikes are crosschecks with different geometry

may i put that on a sticker.

you're going to have to ask permission from whoever coined that but it's on the tarcklist so ???

I'm 95% sure that's mine but I might be wrong.

You can have it if you send me a couple.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 16:59
ICU81MI
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Why don't you sell your pugsley to finance the Seven?

Cross spencer plus MTB makes more sense than MTB plus fat spencer.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:13
mdilthey
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Because I don't like my All-City.

I love my Pugsley more than any spencer I've ever owned, and I'm not sure I can articulate why. But, it's no fun unless the conditions are awful. On smooth singletrack, spencer paths, gravel, dirt roads... it's a pig.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:15
oogens
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Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:16
mdilthey
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(Reply to #288)

I kinda prefer 29 but damn, that's a helluva build kit. DT 350 hubs, carbon bars/seatpost, Easton Arc rims, holy shit. What's the catch... Is a women's-specific L gonna fit me and my grasshopper legs?

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:25
johnasavoia
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Max, buy Steve's spencer, or Rusty's spencer, ride them as is, make changes down the road if you see fit. Buy an old steel frame from craigslist to singlespeed and put 35s and fenders on it.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:33
Mr. Pubes
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ill sell you my justin timberdoug.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:34
oogens
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(Reply to #291)

mdilthey wrote:

I kinda prefer 29 but damn, that's a helluva build kit. DT 350 hubs, carbon bars/seatpost, Easton Arc rims, holy shit. What's the catch... Is a women's-specific L gonna fit me and my grasshopper legs?

iirc their frames are the same spec as the mens. it's a bit xc fit, so the reach is shorter than comparably sized enduro frames (for example, I ride a similar 435 reach, but with a 40mm stem and 785 bars at 5'9". the current XL soma juice has 433 reach too tho). I think the female specific stuff is that it comes specced with a women's profile saddle, narrower bars, and thinner grips. rear shocks would be valved for lighter riders, but not a concern with a hardtail.

for reference, the 1x11 XO equipped spencer weighs in at 19.5lbs i think, so i'd guess this one around 20.5ish. and you could still throw on some dumb niner fork and wtb horizons if you wanted a lightweight hybrid

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 17:44
mdilthey
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Pretty neat, that'll probably be Plan B if Steve's spencer is too small.

Again, I might buy the boulder too but let me manage one thing at a time y'all

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 18:09
kmcdon
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does this mean that we might have converted you to gears?

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 19:26
NOVELTYNAME
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not a convert til it exists

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 19:30
mdilthey
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(Reply to #295)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
not a convert til it exists

Also, I rode gears for like eight years before I went SS

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 19:43
oogens
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only holdup on the stevebike is if you have a geo chart or whatever for it. I mean, since it was built in the past few years it might be okay but i'd be afraid of some norba style 29er with steep headtube and short reach (which is great for fuckin around on a paved commute, but kind of a waste of money for a chance at a fun spencer on dirt)

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 19:43
mdilthey
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(Reply to #297)

oogens wrote:
only holdup on the stevebike is if you have a geo chart or whatever for it. I mean, since it was built in the past few years it might be okay but i'd be afraid of some norba style 29er with steep headtube and short reach (which is great for fuckin around on a paved commute, but kind of a waste of money for a chance at a fun spencer on dirt)

True, gotta see. He was riding a 2015 Cannondale Scalpel and had this spencer custom-made at the end of the summer last year, so 2016. I assume since Seven is one of the biggest framebuilders in the region that they're up to date. His Pioneer Valley Frameworks hardtail is apparently nearly the same and I rode that around the parking lot and it felt pretty good.

Is it a 2018 shred-machine with a slack AF head tube? I am 100% sure it isn't. But if it rides like a 2014 or later Karate Monkey, I am probably in.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 19:46
Sneaky Viking
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(Reply to #298)

mdilthey wrote:
Steve will sell me the spencer for the exact money he put in. He spent $1900 on the frame and then got all the components for free and worked them off. I will probably insist on paying him a little more than he's asking unless he really insists. Such a nice guy.

You need to stop thinking of this as an amazing deal on a Seven, and start thinking of it as $1900+ you're spending on your next spencer. Is a titanium boinger 29er what you would spend that money on, irregardless of any amazing deals? What holes do you have in your current lineup? Does this fill them?

Additionally, high mileage Steve seems like he has a toe in the industry. When one is in such a position, selling a spencer for 'what you have into it' is great- he's taking zero loss on a spencer he bought on a whim that he's ridden enough to determine he's just not that into. How many people get to take zero loss on new bikes they ride?

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 21:00
fixed
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i have a honey 29er, which is the seven steel "budget" brand. i also got an inside deal on it. it's an awesome frame and it fits me perfectly. it is not a slack af broduro spencer. i kind of hate on seven as a company but this specific frame geo is very good.

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 22:19
mdilthey
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Good points both.

I'm thinking of my old Juice that I've mentioned missing a couple of times. And JDSmooth's carbon spencer dreams. The idea of a cross-country rigid MTB has been running across my mind for a while.

Steve isn't an industry guy. He's like that one guy who is just so genuine and friendly that everyone hooks him up without him asking, and his presence gives back to the community through group rides, events, good conversation, etc. i don't think he's trying to flip it. He hooked me up with an MSR tent for my buddy a few months ago. He's just nice.

Now all that said, I need some devil's advocates right now so thanks.

One thing's for sure, nature boy is outta here.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 06/01/2017 - 22:34

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