Help me build this S&S coupled land shark touring/rando rig.

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E-ROCK
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Help me build this S&S coupled land shark touring/rando rig.

I even need help choosing a color! I spent a good 5 hours stripping the old powder coat off of this frame yesterday and I'm taking it to horse cycles to be coated on Tuesday. I'm leaning towards ripping off yummgooey and his rad geekhouse. I've always wanted a pink bike so I'm thinking that this may be the time, although I might go with a lighter pink and make it slightly pearlescent like those early pink univegas or schwinn preludes.

I'm also wrestling with how to build this. I usually have a clear sense of how I want to go about building a frame but I'm at a loss for this one. Buy a new shimano group? Use the campy record stuff I have? Shimano is more versatile for a touring/randonneur rig but I have a ton of campy shit and aesthetically find it most appealing.

Anyway, here's the frame, fork and stem. I'm letting letting the dudes at Horse deal with removing the nit picky powder coat that's left over.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:52
Cy Trivialities
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took a pic of this datsun the other day, always wanted a bike in this green/blackway.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:10
turpencat
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(Reply to #2)

Cy Trivialities wrote:
took a pic of this datsun the other day, always wanted a bike in this green/blackway.

this is like 100% my new bike.

while it is stripped you should have horse put dick mounts on it. And a brace on the ss/fork blade.

I've been throwing around the idea of light pink metallic with like an ensign blue detailing. Or a cream with a rich blue or red detailing

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:12
E-ROCK
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I love that green.

Shit. Should I actually have dicks mounts installed!? That would open up a hole new world. If I do that should I have the canti posts removed? Fuuuuuck

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:25
eric_ssucks
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Nah. It's not designed for dicks. You'd want a new dick fork if you were gonna do that.

I'd build it up with dt shifters and some MTB dangler silliness, but then my bikes are all terrible so you shouldn't listen to me. Wanna buy some Paul touring canti with v brake pad holders installed ?

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:28
E-ROCK
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This bike came with pauls so I'll just use them. I think I have everything for a 9 speed down tube shifter build. Hm.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:55
dorth
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id just build it with your campy kit, maybe get a nice nerd crank for it? a flat bar build with jones bars or something could be cool too

have you thought about the bag/rack situation at all? having that figured out would probs help get you get a more clear idea on what cockpit setup would be ideal

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 13:17
Larry Winget
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A 9 spd DT shifter build sounds good if you're going to be traveling with it a lot.

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Sat, 06/25/2016 - 13:21
E-ROCK
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dorth wrote:
id just build it with your campy kit, maybe get a nice nerd crank for it? a flat bar build with jones bars or something could be cool too

have you thought about the bag/rack situation at all? having that figured out would probs help get you get a more clear idea on what cockpit setup would be ideal

what's a nerd crank? I haven't sorted out the front rack/bag situation but I do have an ILE porteur rack bag that I'll probably put on it. I was planning on having a custom front rack built, but I'm not trying to make this the most expensive build in the world, so we'll see.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 13:28
E-ROCK
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Larry Winget wrote:
A 9 spd DT shifter build sounds good if you're going to be traveling with it a lot.

I'm really shift happy and I've actually never had a bike with DT shifters, so I'm hesitant to go that route.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 13:29
NOVELTYNAME
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The only modern nerd Crank Tarck recommends is the Sugino OX601/801/901D

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Sat, 06/25/2016 - 13:58
jimmythefly
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You guys are skipping over the most important considerations: What color are your drivetrain options? Is the campy all black?

IMO silver hubs + ceramic or hard anno rims would look fantastic on this.
Maybe go mini-v for brakes?
There are good options for mini front racks that use the canti studs, no reason to reinvent the wheel there unless you want a larger platform.

Those 94bcd Ritchey cranks from your cargo bike are fantastic nerd cranks, consider moving them to this bike.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 14:37
E-ROCK
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jimmythefly wrote:
You guys are skipping over the most important considerations: What color are your drivetrain options? Is the campy all black?

IMO silver hubs + ceramic or hard anno rims would look fantastic on this.
Maybe go mini-v for brakes?
There are good options for mini front racks that use the canti studs, no reason to reinvent the wheel there unless you want a larger platform.

Those 94bcd Ritchey cranks from your cargo bike are fantastic nerd cranks, consider moving them to this bike.

Yes to all of this. I was thinking silver hubs to hard ano rims. Probably archetypes? I have another ritchey compact that I'll likely use. I also have a silver compact centaur ultra torque crank but that will give me less options. I think I also have a nitto canti mount front rack.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 14:57
dorth
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yeah, basically what jimmy said. ritchey crank would be right at home with the rest of the campy running gear atmo

are archetypes tubeless-able?

I actually like DT shifters coz they kinda reduce shift-happiness. less shit on the handlebars to occupy ur mind

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 17:10
Viggen
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This is gonna be fantastic!

I'm all for moving your OG-nerd cranks from the GT to this, just score some cheap thrift stuff for the cargo to replace.
Sure like Fred says you could have some dickbrake mounts welded to the rear and have a new dickbrake fork made for it. But unless you really see the benefit (like throwing new shimano road/hydro shifters and splurging on a completely new drive train) there's really no point to it right now. Mini-v's or canti's will stop you/slow you down as well though they will come with their respective drawbacks as you probably already know.

I would want DT-shifters on this but each to their own...

The Archetypes are not tubeless compatible, and will make you want to quit life if you try to make them.
But the new Hydra is!

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 07:23
turpencat
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hydra does not have a brake track

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 09:59
ShartAttack
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Shartmo I would get this

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/shimano-tiagra-4703-10-speed-triple-groupset/

and then sell/trade the brakes
Didn't somebody else link to some quick-disconnects for shift cables? I mean that's if you actually intend to break the bike down all the time

edit: I take that back. I'm not sure that a triple is worth it to get a 30t small ring vs a 34t small ring.

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 13:22
NOVELTYNAME
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Dude get dick brakes
Eventually finding 9x135 11sp rear hubs may be an issue of $$$ but you'll erock something easily.

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 13:55
NOVELTYNAME
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Unless you are going to use this only for strictly touring

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 13:56
Larry Winget
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Nah. Don't dick-ify that frame.

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 13:58
hiljentaa
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Dicking that frame would hella JA.

Figure out what gearing and color components you want and base it on that.

I'd do DT shifters, TB14s, 44/30 on those Ritcheys, 11x30, silver parts, slight metallic paint.

What size tires does it fit?

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 14:41
E-ROCK
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hiljentaa wrote:
Dicking that frame would hella JA.

Figure out what gearing and color components you want and base it on that.

I'd do DT shifters, TB14s, 44/30 on those Ritcheys, 11x30, silver parts, slight metallic paint.

What size tires does it fit?

I'm not putting mounts on this frame. The build you describe is likely what I'll go for minus DT shifters. I have record 10 carbon shifters and various alloy campy 10 shifters, but I'm hesitant to go full classy with this build. Woke up thinking about a semi-metallic champagne kind of color? Not sure what to do about a rear 135mm campy splined hub. Any tips? Going with DT shifters and shimano would simplify this build immensely, as I have an XTR 9 rear hub and plenty of other shimano stuff, and maybe DA 9 spd DT shifters. But damn, I'm way into brifters.

Check the score of the day thread for something that came with this frame.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 14:58
E-ROCK
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Oh, and the frame came with 38c soma c lines and fenders mounted so it has some solid clearance.

Edit: should I add more rack braze ons to the fork?

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 15:05
NOVELTYNAME
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Yes

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 17:23
dorth
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with dbl eyelets and the mid-blade brazeons, in addition to canti mounts seems like it would be prefectly fine, as far as rack-mounting goes. unless ur gonna load the fuck out of this thing, i think more brazeons would just start to clutter it, frame and fork alike.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 18:20
dorth
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and why do you need a 135mm spaced hub for this bike? is it really not (meant to be) spaced 130?

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 18:22
E-ROCK
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dorth wrote:
and why do you need a 135mm spaced hub for this bike? is it really not (meant to be) spaced 130?

rear spacing is definitely 135mm. Wouldn't be the first time I've compressed a frame to take 130...

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 18:33
turpencat
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I would just get cx75 hubs and ignore that they have disc mounts. And not respace it.

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 20:05
E-ROCK
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turpencat wrote:
I would just get cx75 hubs and ignore that they have disc mounts. And not respace it.

campy bro. i want campy though bro

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 20:41
turpencat
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so get chorus and a conversion axle with spacers?
here i did the hard work
http://wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts/all-axles/axle-09.html

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 20:58
E-ROCK
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Yeah, that's what I want to know. Is there a not ghetto way to re-space hubs that I already have? I'm very down to do this as I have probably 5 campy wheelsets. I'm just not very well versed in wheel nerdness.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 21:01
turpencat
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I edited my post with the axle you need. you'll need one of these too http://wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts/axle-spacers/5mm-axle-spacer-1025.html
sets you back a whole dollar.
you could also get 2 2.5mm spacers and put one on each side a 2mm and .5mm spacer for each side, if you already have the wheel built.

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 21:03
E-ROCK
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turpencat wrote:
I edited my post with the axle you need. you'll need one of these too http://wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts/axle-spacers/5mm-axle-spacer-1025.html
sets you back a whole dollar.
you could also get 2 2.5mm spacers and put one on each side a 2mm and .5mm spacer for each side, if you already have the wheel built.

Okay, so I need the axle, two 2mm spacers and two .5mm spacers? And the array of spacers allows the wheel to be used as is without re-dishing? Thank you for this.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 22:37
crowding
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putting one 5mm spacer on the nds and re-dishing would be preferable

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 22:47
E-ROCK
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crowding wrote:
putting one 5mm spacer on the nds and re-dishing would be preferable

to have less parts in the mix?

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 23:03
crowding
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better spoke tension balance, and keeps the cogs the right distance from the dangler

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 23:14
E-ROCK
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Rad. Thanks

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 23:16
drwelby
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I think Industry 9 can build a road hub body with a 135 axle and a Campy splined freehub.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 23:23
NOVELTYNAME
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Chris king makes r45s
Dt Swiss 350/240/190
White industries blah blahs

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 23:34
Viggen
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I know you already have a some campy wheels built and ready.
But if and when you wanna ball and get some new shiny hubs you could always get the Ambrosio Campy/Shimano cassette doohickey!
They are only available in 10 speed as far as I know. But a shimano splined cassette with campy spacing is not a bad thing to have laying around!

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Mon, 06/27/2016 - 04:15
E-ROCK
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Someone just offered me a son deluxe/white industries wheelset for 400 but the rear is 130. Should I try to squeeze it in or is that fucking stupid? Kind of feel like I should buy them anyway...

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:22
turpencat
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should be able to convert that axle too. Just call up white and ask. If not, respacing isn't a big deal really

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:45
eric_ssucks
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or just buy it and sell it to someone here as a service.

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:46
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #43)

E-ROCK wrote:
Someone just offered me a son deluxe/white industries wheelset for 400 but the rear is 130. Should I try to squeeze it in or is that fucking stupid? Kind of feel like I should buy them anyway...

this is an ok deal. not quite erock level but close

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Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:47
E-ROCK
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Seems pretty damn cheap to me. Rear hub is an H3. Velocity Synergy. All silver. Classy.

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:49
Larry Winget
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Just get the frame respaced.

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Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:51
Bahamontes
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Get the wheels anyway

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:52
hiljentaa
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(Reply to #47)

E-ROCK wrote:
Velocity

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:52
NOVELTYNAME
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http://www.whiteind.com/campy-shimano-convertion/

well, you can for sure get the campy conversion. not sure if you can get 135 axle tho

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Mon, 06/27/2016 - 11:53
E-ROCK
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I called white industries and they said I needed an 8 dollar part and to have the wheel redished. I don't remember what part but she said the existing axle will be fine. Does this sound right? I think it was a new end cap or something

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:56
turpencat
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seems right, since they aren't using solid threaded axles.

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 12:59

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