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aerobear
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hy jacques

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 20:56
rauce
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Whatdya get on the garmin after the fact?

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 21:35
bobbythehawk
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I'm gonna be living tub life soon! got a redic deal on some EC90's, gonna rebuild the rear with a track hub and party. Should be in for less than 300 canadian pesos after tires! Whats the non-tufo tire of choice? Sprinters?

also, this should be fun:

Sun, 02/07/2016 - 14:43
rauce
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My alloy wheels have sprinters, they're hard wearing and grippy but ride quality is kinda bricklike.

Sun, 02/07/2016 - 15:38
y
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(Reply to #105)

rauce wrote:
Whatdya get on the garmin after the fact?

still crunching the numbers.

stepped up to a 95" gear yesterday, from my usual 90". i think the sweet spot for fast paced drop in is somewhere between the two. resultant increase in chainstay length makes the bike feel weird.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 09:55
aerobear
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I use Vitoria corsa Evo cx tires. They are road tires, but easy more durable than the pistas and still feel great.

I was able to get 2+ seasons out of a them even on an outdoor concrete track.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 10:05
rauce
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If I was gonna do it again i'd probably just do evo cx for my erryday wheels. Wear well and still feel a hell of a lot better than sprinters.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 10:24
y
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i've had pretty good luck with evo cxs on the road.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 15:19
bobbythehawk
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LTP has some closeout Schwalbe Ultremo HT's, 300tpi, 250g with a puncture belt. might give them a go for the same price as a sprinter

also like the corsa cx, been my favorite so far (on the road), just cant get a great deal

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 17:21
chazzwazzer
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New Spec turbos come in a track tubular. Though I don't know what makes them track exactly... Have some of the clinchers to try when things dry out here.

I wanted to come up for the Burnaby weekend but have to work. That track looks like a lot of fun, and I've never ridden on boards.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 20:44
aerobear
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I dunno if I trust schwalbes. They have never done me right on the road. Also their clinchers didn't get rated that well for rolling resistance.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 20:53
rauce
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Some tires (michelins or schwalbe I think, can't remember) supposedly don't stick well to wood tracks.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 21:26
bobbythehawk
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hah! I have a pro 4 clinchers now. seems fine crawling along at the rail

we'll see how them schwalbes are..

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 22:18
aerobear
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i always heard tufos were the bad ones

the first time i went to the LA velodrome, saw several people fall off the track and people were doing weird shit like sanding their tires cuz afraid to go slow on non sticky tires

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 22:30
rauce
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I dunno man, track cycling has so much superstition and shit, hard to weed out the bullshit sometimes.

I have a co-worker who is all about the track. His wheels for timed events (500m, flying 200m or pursuit) are zipp 900 discs front and rear with 19mm tufos that he pumps to 220psi. I borrowed them and didn't die.

I think the michelin/schwalbe thing has to do with tires that have dual compounds. The transition area towards the outside of the tread has less predictable traction when you go slow and the outside of the tire grips the track. Coloured tires def. suffer from this exact issue I know a guy who took tires like these:

to the the forest city track and wiped out a bunch for that exact reason.

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 22:51
bobbythehawk
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i asked about colored tires at the track and all the folks at burnaby had no clue what I was on about.

def a lot of weird track superstitions out there, in reality the only "grip" related crashes I've seen so far were just people going SOS LOW or maybe onetime not riding the rhythm of the rail (burnaby is quite bumpy up there!)

Tue, 02/09/2016 - 23:09
bobbythehawk
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man racing with juniors sucks

one kid got boxed during an elimination and actually said "GET THE F* OUT OF MY WAY" as he tried to squeeze in between a rider in the sprint lane and one on the red (me). Just sketchy riding every damn race.

don't want to come down too hard on them, but fuck I don't want to crash out in a C race because they think it's the world cup..

Sun, 02/21/2016 - 01:06
y
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(Reply to #118)

bobbythehawk wrote:
man racing with juniors sucks

one kid got boxed during an elimination and actually said "GET THE F* OUT OF MY WAY" as he tried to squeeze in between a rider in the sprint lane and one on the red (me). Just sketchy riding every damn race.

don't want to come down too hard on them, but fuck I don't want to crash out in a C race because they think it's the world cup..

oh man, as a twice-recovered cat3, i can tell you all about the horror of racing with kids. but if we're gonna single out demographic groups, they don't hold a friggin' candle to middle-aged men. fuck some clueless rich entitled testosterone-restoring fancy-equipment-having pricks! fuck the mellow johnny man. fuck porsche guy. fuck all the aero helmets and fuck any quinquagenarian who tells me to get out of their way in a midweek crit sprint.

Sun, 02/21/2016 - 10:37
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #119)

y wrote:
bobbythehawk wrote:
man racing with juniors sucks

one kid got boxed during an elimination and actually said "GET THE F* OUT OF MY WAY" as he tried to squeeze in between a rider in the sprint lane and one on the red (me). Just sketchy riding every damn race.

don't want to come down too hard on them, but fuck I don't want to crash out in a C race because they think it's the world cup..

oh man, as a twice-recovered cat3, i can tell you all about the horror of racing with kids. but if we're gonna single out demographic groups, they don't hold a friggin' candle to middle-aged men. fuck some clueless rich entitled testosterone-restoring fancy-equipment-having pricks! fuck the mellow johnny man. fuck porsche guy. fuck all the aero helmets and fuck any quinquagenarian who tells me to get out of their way in a midweek crit sprint.

never raced road, so idk, but all the older folks racing track around here are super chill at all levels

just finished the 3 day, did alright in the c's. won the keirin, second in sprint, had results in pretty much every endurance race but no other wins. I was happy to make it through the races without crashing with the sketch balls

we did a derny race at the end, with the elite riders pulling the...not elite. Was really fun, I was pared with a massive sprinter from portland (jack.. sure amy knows him) ..was like riding behind a school bus. Whipped him into 3, 4 or 6th place, depending on who you ask.

Sun, 02/21/2016 - 20:45
yonderboy
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(Reply to #120)

bobbythehawk wrote:
Was really fun, I was pared with a massive sprinter from portland (jack.. sure amy knows him) ..was like riding behind a school bus.

The dude with the pistons on his calves? I didn't think he was a Portland rider...

Sun, 02/21/2016 - 20:58
bobbythehawk
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yep. idk thats what he told me

Wed, 02/24/2016 - 11:06
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Fri, 03/18/2016 - 09:52
dmotobear
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want to race the tracks this year now that I'm in Portland. gonna ride out there on the next clear day and ride it for the first time.

Mon, 03/21/2016 - 19:36
yonderboy
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Keep an eye on the OBRA velodrome page. They should have the Wednesday class schedule up soon. Meg and Ken are both pretty good instructors.

Mon, 03/21/2016 - 20:51
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #125)

you're going down, real canada!

Mon, 03/21/2016 - 21:48
aerobear
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(Reply to #126)

yonderboy wrote:
bobbythehawk wrote:
Was really fun, I was pared with a massive sprinter from portland (jack.. sure amy knows him) ..was like riding behind a school bus.

The dude with the pistons on his calves? I didn't think he was a Portland rider...

he lives in pdx, has for the last few years, and for some time before that (but lived in LA in between)

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 03/21/2016 - 23:41
aerobear
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(Reply to #127)

i watched one of the sessions on live broadcast, mostly cuz i know quite a few of the people racing. was kinda cool, but also kind of a weird thing with the super corny team names.

yonderboy wrote:
Keep an eye on the OBRA velodrome page. They should have the Wednesday class schedule up soon. Meg and Ken are both pretty good instructors.

Is ken still instructing?
I hadn't seen him in a while last time I was around, but it's been a while since i helped at a track class.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 03/21/2016 - 23:47
bobbythehawk
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finally got my rear wheel built up, feels nice. Saddle/seatpost are ugly but my butt seems happy

got another hub on the way for my tubular set. stoked.

Sat, 04/09/2016 - 02:39
bobbythehawk
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Any seattle trackies planning on doing the season opener at JBV?

also got my flying 200 down to ~12.4, and 1k to 1:14. Felt shitty/bouncy on both efforts, I'm sure I can shave sec(s) off that kilo time if i keep my cool

Fri, 04/15/2016 - 17:17
chazzwazzer
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Going to try to be there. I started late in the season last year and didn't actually get added to cat 4. Have to hit some cat 5 nights and then I'll be good.

Fri, 04/15/2016 - 22:00
y
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^good work bobby!

i got to try both of those for the first time last night. 12.6 and 1:18 definitely need some practice.

Sat, 04/16/2016 - 09:02
BabbyMatt
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Made it out to the beginner session today. 4th one for me, so I should be ready to race once the wednesday night series starts up. We did a team pursuit, and I had one of my roadie teammates in my group against some juniors. We were doing 10 laps but we caught & passed their group in about 2, though we shelled one kid off of our group and another guy got gapped behind him so we had to wait a little bit for him to catch up.

Did flying 200s, rode a not very impressive 13.6. Got a little nervous about being too close to the rail during the ramp up, so I started a little too low down on the track. That and I'm still not used to the feeling of riding through the corners at high speed/cadence, the bike felt a little wobbly trying to keep it in the sprinters lane. I was likely bouncing a bit too, the only gearing I have right now is 48x15.

Sat, 04/16/2016 - 20:59
aerobear
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@ Matt- flying 200s have got to be tough at hellyer. the track banking and length isn't the same as most other tracks, so do your best to master it by watching other people on that track, keeping in mind it's a different story on other tracks.

@bobby, jacques, not bad times for just starting out. i never do flying 200s, but managed a 12.9 last year in my first timed 200m in years. thin air gives a decent advantage. though your guys times are indoors, no? so not to far off due to no wind.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 04/17/2016 - 00:00
bobbythehawk
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yeah inside here. i'm told burnaby is slow (200m), but really have nothing to compare it to. feels fast to me!

matt- my first 200's were in that time range too. I've done a couple sessions with the sprinters, that helped me a ton with my run in. your time on a 200 is made at/up to the start, fuck it up and that's that.

Sun, 04/17/2016 - 13:22
bobbythehawk
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get me into keeping my cadence constant through the corners? i swing 5/7 rpm.

Sun, 04/17/2016 - 13:27
aerobear
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If you had a power meter, you'd see it's also damn impossible to maintain the same power through the turns as in the straights also. That's what slows down burnaby - pretty much always turning, so extra g-forces to slow you down.

Alpenrose was also super slow in TTs because the turns are too tight and you slow way too. You do have a lot of straight, but can't make up for how slow you are in the turns.

Like Bobby said, it's all about the lead into the 200. You should be at your top speed the start of the effort, not midway through it, with the goal being to maintain speed/cadence.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 04/17/2016 - 15:33
y
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i imagine the g-forces at sprinting speeds must be pretty intense on a 200m track.

Sun, 04/17/2016 - 15:57
BabbyMatt
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Did my first races today as a cat 5

First was a 6 lap scratch race. We had a decent sized field, maybe 12-15 riders or so. Felt really nervous at first and ended up just chilling at the back of the bunch. Within a couple laps I started trying to move up again. One guy got up the road with 3 to go. Coming into 2 to go, the pack eased up so I held on to my momentum and came around hard, passed the guy up the road who had blown up, and managed to hold the gap for 1st.

Next we had a win and out. I wanted to take the sprint for 1st but as I was about to come around, I saw someone coming by my outside, so I went back down into the pack and freaked out a little because i had to scrub the speed from my acceleration. Got pipped at the line for 2nd, but kept up my speed for another lap for 3rd.

Last was the points race, which was pretty much a blur. I just remember it was painful and I probably did too much work, and I got 2nd for one of them and somewhere in the top 5 for the rest. Not sure what the official result was for that one. But, turns out I won the omnium for the night, so that was cool!

Overall I had a freaking blast. It was not half as terrifying as I thought it would be, and I want to come back for more.

Thu, 04/28/2016 - 02:00
aerobear
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That's awesome, Matt. Just keep showing up - those weeknight omniums will get you so much racing experience and the format of each race will start to feel pretty natural.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 04/28/2016 - 09:39
bobbythehawk
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^^ good stuff matt!

I did my first B race last week. Combined A-B field. So intense! so humbling racing with the A's. Was able to stay in the mix for each race, but did too much work. came in 7th/16 in the scratch, just missed out on points (i was fifth wheel every damn time), and sprinted against a really fast guy for 3rd in the elim and allllmost got around him, like 1/2 a wheel. burned my last match on that effort and just tried to stay on the lap. Racing in a 92 is fast, but when you get tired it's unforgiving. Already learned a ton with the more experienced racers, like if (at burnaby) someone goes with 5-6 laps to end, you better be with them or it's over. Also, to stay out of the damn wind until you need to. obviously.

I dont think i'm going to mess with road racing at all this year, outside of fun events. The track is too good. Looking forward to getting to victoria/seattle for some racing there.

Thu, 04/28/2016 - 11:44
BabbyMatt
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3rd time racing the track yesterday, still in the 5's. I think I won the omnium, didn't stick around for the official results and they haven't been emailed out yet.

10 lap scratch - 1st, there was a prime coming into 2 to go, sprinted for it but missed it by a little bit, kept my speed up and stayed away for the last 2 laps

elimination - Big field of 22 riders. Rode the outside/up-track mostly so I'd always have somewhere to go. Had a good chance to attack right at the start of the last lap, but sat on the guys wheel instead. Tried to go under him into the sprinters lane but he also went down and took it (not sure if that's a legit move or what the guideline is for that? I was already in the lane for a bit and he came down on top of me slower so I cut back up track to try to go around)

points - did a 2 lap attack to win the first set of points, sat up immediately after and integrated back in with the pack. chased down a move for the 2nd set of points but dragged a few others with me and they came by, I think I got a point for 4th. Sat on some guy's wheel the last two laps but he heard me try to come by and I just couldn't pull past him at the end, 2nd by maybe two tire widths.

this is fun but I might try a bigger gear soon. still just rolling on the 48x15 that came with the bike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN9KAmd2EtU

Thu, 06/02/2016 - 14:03
hiljentaa
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Guys, I finally went to the velodrome!

Track 101 at 11. Stayed there until 4pm when Ray's opened. The guys at the Cleveland Velodrome were super nice and friendly and helpful.

The teacher guy named Fred told me the best thing to do is just do sessions of 5-10 laps at a time, then come down and let your body recover, so that's what I did.

Just focused on trying to be smooth and keep my head up. By the end of my time there I was feeling comfortable higher up on the track.

Anyway was so stoked on the experience that I bought a year long membership! Definitely going to go to a bunch of open riding sessions and try and sneak laps when no one is around.

Shoulda done this in the spring!

Sat, 09/24/2016 - 19:44
rauce
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Sostoked for tarck season.

Sat, 10/15/2016 - 17:41
rauce
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Second race night for me this season. Chariot, Points and Tempo races. I got eliminated in the first round of chariot because I was undergeared a little in 50x15, got a good start and tucked in behind the second place guy and then ran out of gear trying to come around the last turn. Points and Tempo were okay, I was in the mix and even pushing the pace at times but I didn't manage to get any points in either race.

Equipment is good, I only have one 130bcd ring to use on the SRM so I'm stuck with 50xWhatever for the time being. I haven't decided if I'm going to keep it or not. I feel like power is good for training when you can use it for targeted intervals etc. but with it out of view on the track it's kind of just a novelty to look at the numbers after a training session or a race, like how do I use that to make me faster?

I built a track frame for a team mate this summer and so far he's only been using it for warmups and the occasional training session but today he snapped the compression plug in his carbon fuji changing his bar/stem and ended up winning the tempo race riding the frame I built.

Wed, 10/19/2016 - 09:33
dmotobear
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Went out a week ago and did the clinic on Wed, raced thursday/friday. Already hooked, with one more week of the season left.

Plan on getting back into gym bro status over the winter. Anyone here race at alpenrose?

Sun, 08/27/2017 - 16:23
yonderboy
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I've been racing at Alpenrose a bit in the 4/5 category this season. I came a little late and know I don't have enough fitness to hang in the 3)4 field. All the fields I've been in have been pretty strong and not so squirrley.

I'm planning on being there this Thursday for the last omnium before they switch over to Madison. I didn't get any reasonable offers for the Cinelli, so I'm still riding it.

Tue, 08/29/2017 - 13:15
dmotobear
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Got my 4 upgrade and learned I don't quite have the legs for 49x14.

Sat, 09/02/2017 - 19:09
yonderboy
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I usually run an 86 or 88 gear for mass starts.

I've been seeing people out there on the Dixie Flyer 55 tooth (or bigger) chain rings. Powar legs.

Sat, 09/02/2017 - 20:21
aerobear
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49x14 is a big gear for alpenrose. i raced in a 48x15 or a 49x15 most of hte years i raced there. its just too hard to push a big gear with the steep banking.

i wouldnt go bigger than 90-92 inches unless youre doing a keirin or something. 49x14 is a 94.5.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 09/05/2017 - 00:54
BabbyMatt
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Volunteered at a memorial race at the SD velodrome over the weekend. Made me want to dust off the track bike and start riding it again. Does anyone know where I could source a regular Langster fork? (I believe it's exactly the same as for the Langster Pro but drilled for a brake) Or any other aftermarket fork that would fit and take a brake? I want to get more comfortable riding fixed, but I'm not confident enough in my skidding skillz to do it on the street without some other way to stop.

Tue, 09/05/2017 - 12:46

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