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bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #51)

bobbythehawk wrote:
i was having some butt issues too, switched saddles around a bunch and they have vanished. fwiw i don't really like the saddle on the road but whatever works.

i went from a toupe, which has a very sharp cutoff, to some forte knock off of a SLR or some such, much more rounded wings. not likely a saddle that would be comfortable for a long period of time, but so far my taint is digging it.

also, i am officially cleared to race.

Sat, 12/12/2015 - 02:50
aerobear
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(Reply to #52)

y wrote:
http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1892812/

kinda big, dough

also, had a good track day today. i usually try and fit a 2x20 in a one hour sesh, which i did again tonight and i definitely feel like it's been paying off. rode a paceline with three other dudes and spent some time behind a guy with a garmin under his seat which was nice to get some feedback.

i'd definitely underestimated how fast we were going, which was a pleasant surprise. feeling a lot more comfortable keeping 115-120rpm for long periods of time now.

the one thing is that my butt hurts. using a saddle i'm comfortable with, fit is fine, i'm guessing it's probably a mix of cadence, not standing and centrifugal force? kinda hoping i get used to it.

i get that. long efforts on the track are awful on the crotch.

worst is aerobars. then add motorpacing, so high speed, high cadence, terrible. i can only assume something comparable happens to dudes, but horrible things happen to my lady parts after a little too much track time.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 12/12/2015 - 16:55
y
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not really a crotch thing for me. my BUTT, though.

rode again on friday and my BUTT is wrecked. just ruined.

Sat, 12/12/2015 - 17:29
aerobear
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yeah. but when youre in aerobars, there's no butt contact, so that same force goes wherever youre touching the saddle. my handlebars are also pretty low, so not a ton of sit bone contact.

i do think the forces are pretty strong at speed and additionally not getting out of the saddle are the main factors. gonna put extra pressure wherever your weight is sitting.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 12/12/2015 - 18:43
y
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oh yeah, you should definitely anticipate posts bemoaning aerobar-induced CROTCH discomfort.

but now we've got baaaaad BUTT!

Sat, 12/12/2015 - 20:10
aerobear
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(Reply to #56)

TC: whenever i read the word "aerobar" now, i read it as "aerobear"
even though i'm the one who brought up the aerobars.. i still just read that as:

y wrote:
aerobear-induced CROTCH discomfort.

anyway back to aerobears

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 12/12/2015 - 22:16
y
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rode the track tonight and my BUTT's fine guys.

also, bought wheels today.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 21:44
bobbythehawk
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^^^ so what'd ya get anyways?

back to the track tonight after 2 weeks of holiday food and booze. gonna be rough

Sat, 01/02/2016 - 20:48
y
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i got some cane creek things with straight-pull spokes, aeroheads and funky hubs. glued on some 19mm tufo tires. nothing pretty, but it does the trick.

also, i went to a drop-in this week and ended up riding immediately ahead of steve bauer in the "fast" paceline. the speed was manageable, but the cadence was about as much as i could keep up with so the entire time i'm thinking " ride smooth, ride smooth...". he told me i was slowing down before i pulled off. *embarassed emoji*

Fri, 01/08/2016 - 22:41
bobbythehawk
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and your chain is too tight!

i feel ya on the cadence thing. Had my first night of racing, novice group is limited to 84 gi. Lots of time spent at 130rpm

did pretty good though, won the scratch, second in the 3x5 points and second in the elimination to 5 lap scratch

so many tricks to learn. In the elimination, the other guy and I exchanged normally twice during the sprint. on second to last lap, i moved up track, hoping he would come though as he did before, id grab his wheel and then try a move with ~200 to go. but when I pushed above the red, the dude got under me and rode me up the track. once i was on the other side of the blue line, he ducked down, rode the downslope of the next curve and dropped hammer.. i got back on his wheel, but sucked in too close before making my move and didn't have enough acceleration/track and ended up a half a wheel back at the line. he messed up the timing just enough.

slingshots (and patience) how do they work

Sat, 01/09/2016 - 02:09
aerobear
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19mm tufos. Yikes. Not what I'd pick.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 01/09/2016 - 12:23
rauce
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Marked 21 I thought. $40 for a pair of track tubs ain't bad imo

Sat, 01/09/2016 - 12:53
y
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(Reply to #63)

aerobear wrote:
19mm tufos. Yikes. Not what I'd pick.

steve bauer thinks they're cool

Sat, 01/09/2016 - 13:47
aerobear
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this guy would think that

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 01/09/2016 - 21:23
y
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i think he's cool

Sat, 01/09/2016 - 21:38
rauce
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Hit the track on my new frame last night, forgot how much I love being on the boards. I thought it would be like I was a track virgin all over again but took no time at all to get comfortable.

Need to sort out some fit/saddle issues. Definitely have track BUTT among other things.

I was a bit worried since the BB on my frame is a tad low at ~62mm drop but it proved not to be an issue going fairly slow on the banking.

Mon, 01/11/2016 - 11:40
y
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back at the track today, none other than steve bauer jumps into our paceline on my wheel. i think he has it out for me. it's all because i beat him at paris-ancaster.

Mon, 01/11/2016 - 20:22
buffoon
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(Reply to #68)

y wrote:
back at the track today, none other than steve bauer jumps into our paceline on my wheel. i think he has it out for me. it's all because i beat him at paris-ancaster.

smiley

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Mon, 01/11/2016 - 20:34
bobbythehawk
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How do people feel about bolt on skewer front wheels for the track? A few dudes at burnaby run them "without worry" but it seems cheesy

It does open up for all kinds of weenie hubs tho

I'm gonna sell my dura ace/ open pro set and put something more fun together

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 19:20
y
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i don't know what the issue would be. i've done it in order to use a road aero wheel.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 19:41
aerobear
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i dont see the issue. the issue with QRs is that someone can hit your wheel and it becomes loosen. and those kind of small bumpin' incidents are much more common at the track. a bolt on should be fine. lots of people ride 'em for front wheels on the track.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 20:25
rauce
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People who take themselves too seriously have told me that a road hub with a bolt on skewer isn't stiff enough.

I don't see anything wrong with it, saves you from needing another front if already got fancy wheels for the road.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 21:49
aerobear
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ask those same dudes what they have for front wheels on their road bikes

just don't see how high speed cornering and such on road bikes is totally fine, but somehow the same hub isnt good enough on the velodrome?

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 22:48
bobbythehawk
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eh i was kinda thinking the clamping force of one 6mm bolt is much < track nuts (with their nice slippy washers) or a good QR

not so much stiffness but staying tight if it gets bumped around

I'm sure it's fine- i have one on my polo bike with a 185mm disc brake- that thing sees way more weird forces/abuse and has never been an issue.

might do a BHS weenie front hub, whatever cartridge double fixed i find cheap to 88mm china tubs. 20/24 or 24/28

Mon, 01/18/2016 - 01:07
rauce
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I used these to build up some track wheels with some older zipp rims. Only Cheapish Hubs I could find in 20/24.

Mon, 01/18/2016 - 09:55
aerobear
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My rear track wheel is a zipp disc with the track adapter kit and it uses a 6mm to tighten. It's a rear wheel on horizontal drop outs and it has not come loose on me.

Phil wood hubs also tighten with an allen key (albeit an 8mm).

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 01/18/2016 - 20:39
Endpoint
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in before Fred asplains how bolt on or bolt in hubs tighten very differently than a QR.

Also they are probably full of crap, but I always thought the track superstitions about real track hubs and stiffness had more to do with the use of big steel axles and bearing load rather than some difficult to define wheel flex.

Mon, 01/18/2016 - 22:24
yonderboy
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I slipped a DA hub with knurled nuts on my rear wheel with the same force that I put my Phils on with.

As long as it's on tight, I don't think anyone is going to complain. If there is a skewer handle hanging free, I could see an issue. Otherwise, anything other than a through-axle is going to bite the same on a dropout.

Mon, 01/18/2016 - 23:19
y
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been tracking 2-3 times a week, adding a road ride or two when weather allows. i've never been this fit in january. really looking forward to this season, hoping i can get some good results in some 1-2 races.

also, new-track logjam is beginning to clear up an i managed to sign up for a race certification class in two weeks. kant weight for it.

Wed, 01/20/2016 - 12:28
BabbyMatt
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Envious of folks with indoor tracks. It's been raining a lot here, so the track is closed, so I've just been riding road. Have only taken the new bike out there once so far, and that was back in November I think?

Wed, 01/20/2016 - 12:48
y
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not sure where you live, but if it's raining in january you have no reason to envy riding in canada.

Wed, 01/20/2016 - 16:38
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #82)

y wrote:
been tracking 2-3 times a week, adding a road ride or two when weather allows. i've never been this fit in january. really looking forward to this season, hoping i can get some good results in some 1-2 races.

also, new-track logjam is beginning to clear up an i managed to sign up for a race certification class in two weeks. kant weight for it.

hell yeah. feel like i'm in the same boat, hoping I don't get burnt out by summer

I've been racing the novice class for a few weeks now. Will be stoked to get bumped up to the C group where the races aren't just 20 lap pace lines. Did some team pursuit monday, my team was a bunch of the regular C's and I kept blowing them up :(

that drill was tyte tho- every team of 4 rides tempo on the blue line (in one giant pace line) and the instructor would call the leading team to start, and then have two going until each team made 2 efforts. Then did it again. First time i've done some really solid changes, feels real good.

also, im in canada, and it's raining right now. It fucking rains here like every day. wish someone woulda told me about that shit ugh

speaking of canada, hy:

Thu, 01/21/2016 - 02:08
Regulatori
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What is everyone's thoughts on a outdoor wet velodrome? Is it even worthwhile to practice on or just skip it?

There has been a few times I've ridden up to the Redmond velodrome while it's raining or after a rain but I'm too chicken shit to jump on the track. I have 28mm Conti GP's that are decent rubber and figure it will be okay if I stay below the blue line...but in the back of mind I'm thinking it's not a good idea.

I'm taking actual beginner courses in April....this is just me getting back on the track when no one else is on it to get used to the banking. If it's wet, should I just totally skip it or just go a little slower since even slower practice is still worthwhile?

Thu, 01/21/2016 - 03:10
rauce
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I have no experience with riding outdoors in the rain but position on the banking shouldn't matter, just make sure you're fast enough to be more perpendicular to the track through the bankings and the downwards force in the corners should you keep you on the track. Japanese Keirin dudes race outside in the rain on 21mm tubs all the time.

Also HY for Canadian pursuit team! A friend of mine is on that team, saw her on the podium but I guess she didn't race the final.

Thu, 01/21/2016 - 11:20
aerobear
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@Rauce, pissta guy.. it depends HUGELY on track banking and racing surface.

You should NOT ride a wooden or a painted concrete velodrome in the wet. You will crash. If it's unpainted and minimally banked, it's probably ok. If it's painted with something super grippy and not normal latex paint, maybe it's ok. But as far as I know the vast majority of velodromes, it'd be a bad idea to ride them when wet.

They immediately stop racing at Marymoor when it starts to sprinkle. The banking is enough there that you could crash.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 01/21/2016 - 15:18
y
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why don't you just go to the track when it isn't raining?

the bromont velodrome (formerly atlanta) wouldn't open before 10 or 11 because of dew hazard.

Thu, 01/21/2016 - 16:34
Blakey
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Fuck yeah Bridie!!

New women's WR for the hour

46.882km.

Fri, 01/22/2016 - 05:39
bobbythehawk
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Getting bumped up to the C group for this Friday's race! Stoked to move out of the novice quickly.. a lot of very nervous riders live there.

*dithering*
trying to decide if I want to mess with nicer wheels. The plan was to sell my sweet fixie DA/Open Pro set, run my stock whatevers for now and buy some china tubs and decent hubs, etc. With the exchange rate as it is, i'll be up to 700$ before tires!

or not give a fuck and just keep riding what I got? I love sweet bike parts but damn, not caring and just focusing on fitness seems pretty cool :/

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 02:19
rauce
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rebuild your da wheels with alloy tubular rims imo

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 09:36
bobbythehawk
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36h limits options to brodeal

some used stuff around:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bop/5410401984.html
same guy has an old HED disc too, looks a lil janks tho

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 14:12
y
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plenty of 36h tubular rims, no?

those cane creeks are cool, but probably $700 with the exchange. same weirdo hubs as mine.

i just bought a $200 set of zipp 440 road wheels i'm gonna convert to track. i might do the same with these and flip a set. the disc has the added benefit that it will hold a number of large hamilton tiger-cats decals.

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 16:22
Endpoint
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That's one of the really light Reynolds jawns too not the shitty ones.

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 21:48
bobbythehawk
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flip them to me!

There aren't a ton of rims (in general) that i have access to here through Canada land dealers, major toms are the only new option I can find, and the damn 36h are machined! Hell, QBP does not even have one listed that fits.

Doesn't really tickle my fancy anyways, i weigh < 140 lbs so i'm after that weenie shit.

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 22:30
rauce
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If you're interested I'll look next time I'm at the shop, there were a lot of 36h 80s tubular rims a while back but demand has gone up since the drome opened. At one point I think they were going for $50 a set lol. Lots of Mavic Mach 2 cd, Nisi lasers etc.

Marinoni also lists a Ambrosio Hypothesis rim in their catalogue in 36h and specifies it as a track specific tubular.

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 23:18
rauce
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dbl

Sun, 01/24/2016 - 23:18
Endpoint
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Araya Gold. NJS or gtfo.

Mon, 01/25/2016 - 07:27
bobbythehawk
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all of which will look dumb as on my fuji track pro....

still think im'a stick with the plan and get as much as I can out of the DA set, and scoop something like those cane creek weirdos.

I did unpack my frame jig last night and took stock of my tubes, got plenty to build a proper track bike :0

Mon, 01/25/2016 - 11:05
bobbythehawk
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First night in the C's was a success, came in the top 5 in each race in a 25 something deep field

well, the second race got called on the 5th sprint (6x5 points)

rider pulled out of the sprint lane in the 4th corner...blah blah.

edit. guess i was in shock a bit from seeing (my first bad) crash in front of me. Everyone was OK, but it sucks to see people go down.

Sat, 01/30/2016 - 12:08
rauce
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Jacques tore the legs off everyone at the drop-in session at the track tonight. I pulled off to get a drink and then he dropped the other guys one by one. I hopped on his wheel while he was hammering solo and could hardly hold on without taking any pulls... nearly puked.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:20
y
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1/2 hour of power. i'm tellin' ya, this all-track training plan is working wonders.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 20:02

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