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Track Chat

let's discuss track cycling!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 19:22
aerobear
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where aero helmets are cool!

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 20:23
rauce
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I love me some pursuit.

Can't wait to finish my track bike.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 21:14
b-roll
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I do miss me some track racing. Just finished summer #3 in cheeseland and have only made it to a track for one race night.

"You know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But fuck it, I still love it."

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 21:17
Goddamnit Gunther
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Boise sucks. They dug a hole for a velodrome then forgot about it. Now they run cyclocross races through it and it's completely trashed. Fuckers.

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 21:40
y
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you lost me at "boise"

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 22:18
Goddamnit Gunther
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Sorry, Idaho is what I should have said

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 22:24
BabbyMatt
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Velodrome, I will be in you soon. Either I skip the team ride this weekend and head to the beginner session, or the Saturday after thxgiving.

Anyone know some good shallowish track drops they can recommend?

Also the beginner sessions are fun for my ego because I can smash on the other beginners with my roadie fitness because they're mostly just kids that like riding fixies. Except the one time there was one of the regular juniors out there with a full disc and a biketard. He beat me in the keirin, but I think if I wasn't spun out on tiny gears I might have come closer at least.

Also one of the other dudes crossed wheels and almost went down in front of me and then I almost swerved into the rail because I overcompensated

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 23:57
rauce
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Unless you're doing sprint events exclusively, track drops are whatever road bars you like.

If you want a sprint bar that's shallow there's a pro vibe track bar... or just ball hard and get the 3t scatto.

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 00:23
Petr5
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(Reply to #9)

y wrote:
you lost me at "boise"

Les Bois. Better?

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Wed, 11/18/2015 - 05:54
y
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do you speak-a my language?

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 09:58
petit jong cat
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@matt: I think the 3t rotundo at 83mm reach/ 143mm drop is the best bet. mine's sitting in a box unused, if you want it - it's yours! smiley

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 09:59
aerobear
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Only pure sprinters are using track bars. Just use road bars. Fit should be similar, but more aggressive. Lower and further forward on the saddle. Races are short, so you don't have to take long term comfort into consideration.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 12:08
bobbythehawk
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fav track workouts for scratch/pointing races?

track homie says 10 easy, 5 hard until you cant anymore. Seems like everyone just does some form of that interval

also, getting a replacement 48t chainring led to getting a 47,48,49 and 50. Pro deal is the death of me

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 12:55
rauce
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Once you have 4 chainrings like that you're pretty much set though. I'm missing a 50 at the moment, have 48, 49 and 51.

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 13:43
EJ
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WTH I haven't been on the track in like a year now but still have the track bod.

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Wed, 11/18/2015 - 13:49
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #16)

rauce wrote:
Once you have 4 chainrings like that you're pretty much set though. I'm missing a 50 at the moment, have 48, 49 and 51.

yeah, unfort. the novice race class requires a 47/15 to keep speeds down, prob wolnt get much use out of it after that's over. Can always get the big dogs if I keep with it.

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 17:00
rauce
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47x14 is a pretty useful gear. Might be BS but a lot of guys like small chainrings with small cogs for mass start races as opposed to the same gear inches with bigger chainrings and cogs.

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 17:39
y
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rauce lent me some wheels for trackin'

Thu, 11/19/2015 - 21:22
aerobear
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(Reply to #19)

bobbythehawk wrote:
fav track workouts for scratch/pointing races?

track homie says 10 easy, 5 hard until you cant anymore. Seems like everyone just does some form of that interval

also, getting a replacement 48t chainring led to getting a 47,48,49 and 50. Pro deal is the death of me

47-51 will cover everything alongside 14, 15, and 16t cogs (until you get into the big leagues). i have 48-51t, still need a 47.
over/unders are your friend. you should be doing 20 minutes alternating 30 seconds under threshold, 30 seconds over.
also 1 minute on (anaerobic) and 1 minute off (resting) x 5-7 or so is good too. to make that points race relevant, it's more like 45 seconds zone 5-6, 15 seconds sprint in your intervals.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 11/19/2015 - 23:42
aerobear
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crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 11/19/2015 - 23:46
y
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^HIGH FIVE^

current gear game is 48-50 + 13-17 (deal with it) but need to share with mrs. y. need to acquire some choice duplicates.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:20
cookietruck
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(Reply to #22)

y wrote:
rauce lent me some wheels for trackin'

storn

also sup amy

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 20:15
aerobear
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jacques, you chain looks a little too tight

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 20:53
mander
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Bobby, you are doing learn to ride right now on fridays and saturdays? I should get off my ass and sign up for learntorace.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 21:47
bobbythehawk
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sat/sun, you could do the novice workouts then if you wanted to get in some track time.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 01:59
rauce
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(Reply to #26)

aerobear wrote:
jacques, you chain looks a little too tight

Yeah, need dat track slack.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 11:13
BabbyMatt
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Made it out to the beginner session today. Garmin logged a total of just over 17 miles for the 3 hours we were there lol. Got to do some pace lining, a 'ribbon' drill going up and down the track, a couple of scratch races, and an australian pursuit. I got one of the scratch races on video i'll put up once it uploads. A couple of regulars were there, one that usually races A-group and one that races B-group. They said our race was around typical B-group pace, so it's good to know that I was able to sit in ok. The A-group guy attacked just before the bell and I didn't want to pop out too suddenly so I missed his move. One guy that rode there brakeless and claims to ride his track bike all the time almost took me out when we were riding side by side on the last lap (@4:40) and I pretty much sat up from there. Still fun though, and I'm getting more comfortable riding fixed.

https://youtu.be/6rATOo78qNc

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:12
bobbythehawk
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buttrocket fixie dude was wobbling all over smiley

riding burnaby seems like a very different experience then hellyer.

did a bunch of intervals tonight, some 2 man team pursuit, and lots of tempo/exchanging. with the pace a little higher everything happens naturally, really enjoying the rhythm, and working on smoothness. also, my legs are cooked! instructor had us running tempo and doing 15 second sprints on his bell. he kept ringing the bell when i was 1/3 through the corner...attacking while in the bank is a weird experience- likely a bit weirder because we had to stick on the blue line (slower traffic was in the pole lane)

i need a longer stem :/

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:21
bobbythehawk
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don't know if its worth the watch but this was yesterday- riding in pairs, first bell the leader sprints, second bell the follower pursuits. my butt shows up eventually.

https://youtu.be/UzaoUbVoHv0?t=15m8s

did 4 "russians" today, 5x4 riding the rail, 4th lap hot. ouch.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 02:48
mander
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Bobby is it considered ok for random doofuses to get in on the novice workouts? This weekend is looking bad but i could come out next time

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 04:31
bobbythehawk
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pretty sure that is what they are for!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:02
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I remember working an intro series at MTV about a decade ago, just when fixie kids were starting to race on the track. In the infield, everyone was practicing their Keo-spins. One kid had a butt-rocket, clips and straps (with Nike tennis shoes), and chrome steel Nitto track bars with no tape and no bar plugs. He was squirrely as fuck. He owns King Kog in New York, now.

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Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:05
BabbyMatt
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You guys seem to get much more of a workout at the beginner sessions than we do. Kinda jelly. That track seems so much shorter too, looks like a blast. Bummed out I'm going to be out of town for the second beginner race series day. Maybe I can catch it next month.

LPC - thanks for the offer, let's ride bikes soon and I can check em out and give you some money for them. but also bikes.

Where should I be looking for affordable cogs/chainrings? Just amazon that shit? Dura-ace a decent bang for the buck for cogs?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:10
Regulatori
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(Reply to #34)

If you want to go used chainrings, it's hard to beat NJS-export.
http://www.njs-export.com/collections/chainrings

For new chainrings, I like Alex. Cheap shipping and usually takes 4-5 days to get my package from Japan.
http://www.alexscycle.com/chainrings-en/

Cogs, Retrogression has good pricing. EAI Deluxe and Dura-Ace are both great quality for the money.
http://www.retro-gression.com/category/components-cogs-lockrings-freewheels

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:53
aerobear
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(Reply to #35)

bobbythehawk wrote:
don't know if its worth the watch but this was yesterday- riding in pairs, first bell the leader sprints, second bell the follower pursuits. my butt shows up eventually.

https://youtu.be/UzaoUbVoHv0?t=15m8s

did 4 "russians" today, 5x4 riding the rail, 4th lap hot. ouch.

Took me years to find out they're actually called "rush ins" and not russians

@babbymatt eBay old keirin stuff. It's generally cheap and they often put up good photos of the teeth so you can see the wear. A little wear is fine.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:40
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #36)

BabbyMatt wrote:
You guys seem to get much more of a workout at the beginner sessions

I don't think my experience is normal- my friend that started at the same time is just starting to do pace lines etc. for whatever reason they have been very comfortable with me doing whatever

@amy- pretty sure the instructor didn't know either, she told us we were doing rush in's in a Russian accent lol. Pretty sure it was her way of getting us out of the way so she could keep an eye on the new folks.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:10
bobbythehawk
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local guys hooked me up

Fri, 11/27/2015 - 21:02
Endpoint
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Whoa... blackspire is still around?

Fri, 11/27/2015 - 21:17
y
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glad you're embracing the canadian lifestyle

Fri, 11/27/2015 - 21:43
bobbythehawk
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there are quite a few fast canadians about, hey?

did my first flying 200 and kilo today, 14sec flat/1:20.6

My 200 was hilariously bad, no warmup & i took a horrible line. whatever. get there earlier next time, and maybe gear up a bit more. 500 felt good, did the gate for the first time and pretty OK about the effort. Track is so weird, all that for <2 min on the track!

Race class is next weekend, hopefully getting into the longer races soon. Doubt i'll ever be much of a sprinter anyways.

Thu, 12/03/2015 - 01:44
y
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sprinters aren't real cyclist anyways.

i'm on the waitinglist for the race class. been going to a good number of drop-ins though. so rad to ride in a heated environment when it's freezing outside.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 16:25
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #42)

y wrote:
been going to a good number of drop-ins though. so rad to ride in a heated environment when it's raining outside.

Fri, 12/04/2015 - 20:05
bobbythehawk
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tire blew off bead on this guys bike

oops

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 11:59
y
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150 PSI MAN!

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 12:10
rauce
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Only works with tubs lol

Mon, 12/07/2015 - 21:52
bobbythehawk
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Anyone seen a 52-54 track bike for sale locally? Homeboy is looking and vancouver is slim pickings

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 17:27
y
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http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1892812/

kinda big, dough

also, had a good track day today. i usually try and fit a 2x20 in a one hour sesh, which i did again tonight and i definitely feel like it's been paying off. rode a paceline with three other dudes and spent some time behind a guy with a garmin under his seat which was nice to get some feedback.

i'd definitely underestimated how fast we were going, which was a pleasant surprise. feeling a lot more comfortable keeping 115-120rpm for long periods of time now.

the one thing is that my butt hurts. using a saddle i'm comfortable with, fit is fine, i'm guessing it's probably a mix of cadence, not standing and centrifugal force? kinda hoping i get used to it.

Wed, 12/09/2015 - 20:09
Tail Hook Lengthener
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If you have any friends that are Guru dealers, they are getting out of the track bike game and closing out their framesets for like $250 with frame and fork.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 00:39
bobbythehawk
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donno any people with accounts, only dealers are out in the burbs

we found a 52 fuji track pro for him, the owner is feeling the holiday squeeze and cut 200 bucks off the asking price.

i was having some butt issues too, switched saddles around a bunch and they have vanished. fwiw i don't really like the saddle on the road but whatever works.

playing the devil would be fun if it wasn't so much damn work!

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 02:08
chazzwazzer
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(Reply to #50)

Wintage Townie wrote:
If you have any friends that are Guru dealers, they are getting out of the track bike game and closing out their framesets for like $250 with frame and fork.

Do you have a line on any locally?

Thu, 12/10/2015 - 02:34

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