Foot Fetish Winter Edition aka get me into WP shoes

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liquify
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Rando, chill.
You do seem as oblique as you are claiming Orc is here. The shoes won't fall apart in the matter of weeks.
Maybe i could try to socks, but you and Ferg are blessed with some better circulation or something cuz my feets get cold in most circumstances. I thus like the boots for that little bit of comfort.

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 14:48
jeffro
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I love rando, but he makes me tired.

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 15:03
randsome beast
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OK, I'm perfectly unworked up about being trolled by Orc. A few examples of poor stuff failing was brought up by others that I referred to weakly as a counterpoint.

I get that everyone was so excited about the number of positive responses because they make riding more comfortable for almost everyone. The first layer(s) against the skin make a huge difference if you nail them in connection with a properly fitting boot. Maybe everyone already knew not to close them tight and had figured it all out but finding a good pair of boots. Repeating that something's good practice isn't harmful.

Feel free to get this back on track at any time.

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Thu, 12/25/2014 - 15:08
eric_ssucks
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I'm intrigued by wündersöcks. Mandatory ümlaüts.

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 15:13
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #55)

jimmythefly wrote:
What size are they in Euro? Can you compare fit to normal MTB specialized shoes? What size Adidas Samba do you normally wear?

Never worn sambas, but I wear 12 in almost everything.

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Thu, 12/25/2014 - 15:19
Rusty Piton
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But I also almost always wear EU 46 so who knows...
Guess it makes sense that these don't fit.

emor wrote:
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Thu, 12/25/2014 - 15:21
jimmythefly
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Yeah, I need a 46.

Wondersock talk is welcome, though it more properly belongs in http://tarckbike.com/node/19687 perhaps. I note that the Assos fuguspeer do not appear to be waterproof, which disqualifies them from the general topic at hand. It was difficult enough to resist posting SPD sandals + seal skinz socks (which are waterproof and do work -I have a pair).

In my specific case, it's the waterproofness that matters, not the insulation. Basically I want what my goretex trail-running shoes + flat pedals gives me, but in something SPD compatible.

PS merry christmas you bike jerks!

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 15:57
ICU81MI
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Our shop went deep with a full size run of fasterkatts in road and mountain. After having to warranty every pair sold either for sticky or broken zippers or fraying laces, the powers that be decreed that the whole fucked up mess be sent back to Q. Ordered a bunch of special eds to replace them.

Sat, 12/27/2014 - 20:51
ShartAttack
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From facebook hambiek group re: Wolvhammer

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Anyone else having quality issues with the sticking on these boots giving out? My the left sidewall is coming undone at alarming rate.

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My first pair had a problem with the sole separating, they told me to go get glue and glue it back. I then had one of the toe cleats fall out, they sent me incorrect ones (they sent me spikes instead of the "blank"). I ended up just using a random bolt I had laying around because no LBS had anything close to what was originally in there. THEN I had the infamous zipper issue, which is when they put me on the list for warranty replacement. I've got a few miles on the new ones and so far they are much better.

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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:01
Recumbentist
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Who here has size 9.5 feet and needs winter boots? PM me your address.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:20
randsome beast
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I do and sent you a PM for details. My tolerance for cold may be inflated past what my body wishes to incur.

Tentatively claiming these unless someone else is in dire need or they by some odd chance are the road version.

Thank you beneficent ferg.

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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 16:27
Recumbentist
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Rando is now the proud owner of some like new Sidi torture devices

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:30
that guy
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(Reply to #63)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
jimmythefly wrote:
My co-worker has some of the DZRs that he's been all-weather commuting in, so will have to get his opinion. Also thought Fred had some DZRs at one point?

I had the Minna which was an early model, they utterly failed after less than a year. The nylon sole in one broke in half, and the other one had spiderweb cracks surrounding the cleat.

I tried on their waterproof H20, it seemed sturdier but noticeably less walkable and harder to put on

I have the waterproof DZRs. They are nice for commuting or whatever when it's shitty out. They are NOT insulated and do not add warmth. Based on my experience with DZR I do not expect them to last, but I only wear them when I "need" them (not every day) so they should last a bit longer.

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 17:35
aerobear
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(Reply to #64)

fergs wrote:
Rando is now the proud owner of some like new Sidi torture devices

After all that talk about how he only needed assos wondersocks.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:27
buffoon
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(Reply to #65)

aerobear wrote:
fergs wrote:
Rando is now the proud owner of some like new Sidi torture devices

After all that talk about how he only needed assos wondersocks.

lololol

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 18:46
randsome beast
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Lol, hush woman. I sent him a PM to see what they were and offered to let anyone else take them. My Winter (half mesh) mtb shoes and pedals are both worn to the point of being unsafe.

Using those Assos wündersöcks and some neoprene booties I've put in a lot of time. Was very exciting consistently being out in -40 F wearing next to nothing else but tights and an uninsulated wind shell. Granted it was only a couple hours at a time instead of being exposed for a day straight mountaineering in double boots and very warm everything.

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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 19:26
Endpoint
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This goes past "hard man" into "how are you not dead?" territory.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:10
randsome beast
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Dyin, training and acclimation work wonders.

I'll be sure to post some thoughts on the Sidi torture devices, eventually.

emor wrote:
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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:33
Gary Fissure
  • 7 foot deep potholes
  • 14 hours and 23 minutes on hold with customer service in a 24 hour period
  • -40 F

I think rando might be some sort of Will Farrell character when it comes to units of measurement

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:36
Orc
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I can believe -40F/C; when I lived in G-d's Own Cesspool there was, like clockwork, one week a year where it got down to -40 and only budged up into the -30s in the late afternoon. And it's not as if climate change has made the winter storms any less absurd on the flatter parts of the great plains.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 20:50
feta lightning
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Where does it get -40f that isn't the dark side of the moon?

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:26
Orc
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The upper Midwest; once you get out of the river valleys there's nothing stopping the Alberta clippers from bringing arctic goodness down to the great plains

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:31
thurston
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Yes, I went to school in Morris, MN. Temps get down to -20 at least one week a year and there is a wind that NEVER EVER STOPS.

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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:35
Endpoint
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Seriously... FUCK THAT.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:43
that guy
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Wind is the worst of all the various weather phenomenon, amirite?

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:47
Endpoint
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the circumstances that create black ice are far worse I can assure you

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 22:48
randsome beast
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(Reply to #77)

Sneaky Viking wrote:
  • 7 foot deep potholes
  • 14 hours and 23 minutes on hold with customer service in a 18 day period
  • -40 F

I think rando might be some sort of Will Farrell character when it comes to units of measurement

I think it is time to stop feeding this place and encourage the rest of you to venture out safely to have your own wild adventures.

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 23:23
Gary Fissure

That's the one thing you're correcting?!

Tue, 12/30/2014 - 23:49
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #79)

feta lightning wrote:
Where does it get -40f that isn't the dark side of the moon?

high plains ringed by even taller mountains, where the cold air can sink down in a death spiral of cold: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Jackson+County,+CO/@40.5442563,-106.4387056,9z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x874271b017666c87:0x7e26a240d3f7e379!5m1!1e4

gets to -40 for a solid week every winter

got snowed on once in early August while I was digging a ditch for a septic line

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Tue, 12/30/2014 - 23:53
jimmythefly
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lollin

-40° is really something amazing. I have done a bit of camping in that weather. It's weird. Fabric gets all stiff, snow inside your tent isn't a wetness issue 'cause it never melts, it's more like dust.

Think about what temperature it is right now wherever you are. Then add 70° to that and realize how warm you would be. Now imagine how at -40 if you add 70 you are still below freezing.

Also fun fact: -40° is -40° in both C and F.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 00:14
ShartAttack
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Camping at -40F? Did you bring along a sacrificial tauntaun?

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 09:29
jeffro
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switcheroo by jeff_d_carson, on Flickr

Trying this in conjunction with neoprene booties I cut down to spats after the zippers exploded.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 11:57
lukasz
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What material is that? I'm thinking of doing something for my road shoes today. Home Depot-able or are these actual insoles?

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:36
randsome beast
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That's impressive Jimmy. The constant snow inside a tent is almost hallucinatory at those temps. Was this a sled dog trip or how did you come by the gear needed to pull that off?

Spats is a very good way to explain what booties become when the bottoms explode. I'm curious now what neoprene or waterproof(On Topic!!!) shoe covers you people have been using. Amazes me the price the market will bear for these since it is a given they will get trashed if you use them at all.

Consensus winner around here currently is the Louis Garneau Neoprotect 3mm neoprene bootie. Works with both road and mtb shoes with toe spikes at a cost under $30. Yes they continue to work well as spats just as long as their is enough material left to hook over the front of the shoe.

emor wrote:
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Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:37
Lowrey'sOrgan
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I've had the same pair of Castelli neoprene booties for 9 years. Wore through the bottoms long ago, and the seams are in such condition as to expose 3 or 4 inch-long slits per shoe, but they are still waterproof-ish and warm enough and intact just enough to stay on (although they do unhook at the toe if walked in for more than 50' or so). Wore them today at -1F with just some wool socks and was fine. Ride to work is only 12 miles though.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 12:53
jeffro
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(Reply to #86)

lukasz wrote:
What material is that? I'm thinking of doing something for my road shoes today. Home Depot-able or are these actual insoles?

The guts of it is bubble wrap, and both sides are silver faced. Definitely bought it at Lowes. Used it for a home insulation situation.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 13:13
feta lightning
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(Reply to #87)

rando wrote:
That's impressive Jimmy. The constant snow inside a tent is almost hallucinatory at those temps. Was this a sled dog trip or how did you come by the gear needed to pull that off?

Spats is a very good way to explain what booties become when the bottoms explode. I'm curious now what neoprene or waterproof(On Topic!!!) shoe covers you people have been using. Amazes me the price the market will bear for these since it is a given they will get trashed if you use them at all.

Consensus winner around here currently is the Louis Garneau Neoprotect 3mm neoprene bootie. Works with both road and mtb shoes with toe spikes at a cost under $30. Yes they continue to work well as spats just as long as their is enough material left to hook over the front of the shoe.

we sell a shit ton of these shops. last year the retail was 26. blows my mind that other brand booties are 60-70 for neoprene. i also think the fact they have velcro enclosures is a plus, since our ham fisted customers blow out zippers on booties all season long.

Wed, 12/31/2014 - 19:36
jeffro
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(Reply to #88)

jeffro wrote:

switcheroo by jeff_d_carson, on Flickr

Trying this in conjunction with neoprene booties I cut down to spats after the zippers exploded.

Tried these out today on a standard 90 minute roadbike ride at ~37F. Wore thickish wool blend socks and my neoprene spats. Shoes as loose as practicable. I won't say the insoles did nothing, but they didn't make a huge difference. Mostly, I was reminded why I usually ride fixed in the winter: half the speed and twice the effort will keep you pretty warm.

Fri, 01/02/2015 - 19:17
ShartAttack
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I just ordered some thermal insoles. I'm presuming my new-to-me winter cycling shoes are already insulated at the sole, but my other shoes/boots could benefit from a pair.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Fri, 01/02/2015 - 20:29
jeffro
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I might relocate the mylars to my regular winter boots. Those are the standing around freezing footwear and could maybe benefit more.

Fri, 01/02/2015 - 20:52
randsome beast
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(Reply to #91)

ShartAttack wrote:
I just ordered some thermal insoles. I'm presuming my new-to-me winter cycling shoes are already insulated at the sole, but my other shoes/boots could benefit from a pair.

Personally I would plan on installing them into the Winter shoes that are designed around them being added.

I got scolded for my exploration of socks before being able to make it clear the purpose of sewn ins and why they rarely work. Unless given the OK I'm going to leave you to figure insoles out from there.

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Sat, 01/03/2015 - 09:08
fixed
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i didn't see the gaerne g artix on the rundown, which they make as a road shoe and an mtb shoe (why you'd want a winter road shoe is kind of a mystery to me but whatever). i have a pair. here are my notes.
1. price was right on a team deal
2. SIZE UP. i bought the same size as my sidis, and they fit EXACTLY like a dominator. which is awesome, except i didn't leave enough space for a thick sock. this makes them kind of lame when it gets really cold, but that was my own stupidity. they got a LOT better once i stopped tightening them down so much
3. they have some kind of pull-tab lacing system like on xc ski boots. i never use it, i just use the velcro outside closure. it kind of gets in the way.
4. i wish the upper had a gaiter, because i never know what to do with the zippered part of a pair of bib tights. i can't tuck it in the shoe ebcause it rubs, but i don't have a good way to leave it out.

would buy again, in one euro-size higher (i'm a 43, would buy a 44).

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 11:54
randsome beast
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(Reply to #93)

fix wrote:
(why you'd want a winter road shoe is kind of a mystery to me but whatever)

I used a pair of Sidi Genius 5 Pro one very snowy Winter with some DA 7401 pedals. Biggest reason why road shoes is neoprene booties fit better and last longer on road shoes. Up here a neoprene cover is hard to live without given the new breed of ice melting chemicals keep roads wet below 10 F. If you can stay clipped in road cleats are better at the riding part of the equation. Clogging up with snow is the only downside.

Have to admit I'm curious to see how well the Winter road shoes from ferg work compared to the well worn road and mtb shoes I've been using. So far it has been a very low total snowfall Winter. I am excited.

emor wrote:
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Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:17
liquify
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Wished those assos wündersocks would have been available on amazon so I could have used my giftcard on them.

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:19
Orc
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(Reply to #95)

rando wrote:
fix wrote:
(why you'd want a winter road shoe is kind of a mystery to me but whatever)

Biggest reason why road shoes is they don't have that huge vented metal insert transfering coolth up into the ball of your foot.

ftfm

Wed, 01/07/2015 - 12:45
lukasz
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...cuz dealing with neoprene booties blows. I don't have a pair but might get some.

Thu, 01/08/2015 - 17:52
fixed
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(Reply to #97)

lukasz wrote:
...cuz dealing with neoprene booties blows. I don't have a pair but might get some.

i meant winter ROAD shoes, not winter MTB shoes. but rando's comment about the heat transfer is pretty good. i don't notice the cold coming up through the cleat mount point in my gaerne shoes, but i'm sure it doesn't help.
booties suck.

Wed, 01/14/2015 - 09:15
randsome beast
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(Reply to #98)

buffoon wrote:
aerobear wrote:
fergs wrote:
Rando is now the proud owner of some like new Sidi torture devices

After all that talk about how he only needed assos wündersocks.

lololol

FYI, the white panther colorway wündersocks are on sale at Ribble for $38

After all the negativity I held towards this segment of bike shoes I wanted to offer some short term test findings. Sadly the coldest the Sidi torture devices got used was maybe zero windchill and only in dry conditions.

Gore-Tex is the worst material you could imagine to line a shoe. That goes double if it is for cold or cold and wet use. It does not breathe and the only function it serves is to make your feet clammy and colder. Having advance knowledge of this was why I started in on wündersocks and other liners that effectively create a barrier from the barrier. With that in place these have worked wonderfully or at least as far as a flexible soled intentionally looser fitting shoe can.

I've tried to throw as many forced issues at these as I could. Dry warmish weather relegated this to variations of intensity and how suitably I dressed for the conditions based on planned intensity. Wind played as large a part as possible when it was sufficiently strong. At the extremes of cold/windy/underdressed and warm/windy/overdressed they regulated temps beyond my expectations. I strongly suspect closing the gaiter over with a pant or tight leg would have a sub-optimal effect by removing any way to exchange air or allow moisture to escape.

The one thing that could be better is how well my heel locks in without over tightening the topmost of the three load bearing straps. I have the stock insoles from my Wires in there right now but plan to try a thicker insole and/or gluing two shaped pieces of closed cell foam in to restrict upward and lateral movement at the rear of the shoe. That last one is some old school tech still used by pro fitters for shoes and helmets. I have done some hard climbing efforts and extended periods above 120 cadence without. Having a more refined fit is only going to make that better.

tl;dr Link for wündersocks deal!! Winter shoes do work if you know how to use them from the inside outwards.

emor wrote:
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Tue, 02/10/2015 - 19:45
jimmythefly
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'sup this thread bumpdate tis the season.

Anything new out there for winter feet 2015/2016?

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 12:05
Rusty Piton
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Yeah, it seems my feet have grown fatter since last winter as my S boots were far too narrow on a two hour MTB ride last week and made my toes numb and crunched the balls of my feets.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 08:13

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