Foot Fetish Winter Edition aka get me into WP shoes

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Foot Fetish Winter Edition aka get me into WP shoes

OK so recommend to me some winter shoes. Mountain SPD.

Need waterproof or highly water resistant, including through the cleat hole. Insulation not critical, this is for Seattle so think 40° and wet.

Edit: If you post your comments about a specific shoe I will update my posts to include so I can try to keep track.

Endpoint wrote:
Most of the industry has settled on $200 msrp for this life changing piece of kit. Just about everyone on here has some sort of bro deal so there is really no excuse. If you don't own winter shoes you are seriously missing the boat. I pretty much wore mine non-stop November through April (not counting this last year of course because they cut them off my feet in January). Anything under 50 degrees and I grab them. Seriously makes everything about fall/winter riding better.

Edit again: Adding relevant reviews as I come across them on the web. Trying to stick to shoes available now, either new retail or discontinued but still available off ebay or amazon or whatever.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:16
jimmythefly
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Mavic
Drift
http://www.mavic.us/footwear-mtb-drift#.VJnqyF4AHA

that guy wrote:
Endpoint wrote:
If you don't own winter shoes you are seriously missing the boat.

QFT

In awesome beautiful Pittsburgh winters I never even looked at overshoes. For commuting or mountain biking it's winter shoes or GTFO. Maybe too bulky for fast road-type riding but that's not my jam anyway.

I have a pair of the Mavic boots and they are super warm (fat sock is good down to about zero) and priced competitively. Just be sure to try them on with big socks. My xc Mavic shoes are 45 and the boots are 48.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:17
jimmythefly
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Giro
Alpineduro

http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/cycling-shoes/alpineduro.html

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
Bahamontes wrote:
Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I keep forgetting to pick up some cleats for these guys. Excited to try them this fall/winter.
Kinda bummed there isn't buckles and I need to adjust to slow lace-up life but I will survive.
Will review soon.

Ride em yet?

Commuted on them Friday, not really rainy or cold. They seemed to be pretty hot for 40-50 deg F riding but not as bad as I was expecting, very bearable.

The next day I wore them for the weekend camping trip and they worked amaaaaaazing for that. I could not think of more appropriate footwear for stomping around in the damp woods, the wet Puget Sound beaches then a long ride back. There was even a downpour at the end of the ride but my feet were warm and relatively dry (see: sweat).

The boot is really well constructed and fits me great (sized up by 1/2 since no 0.5 sizes). It doesn't really feel too "booty" when your cycling and doesn't impede on your ankle movement.

My one worry is during downpours if you have you pant leg rolled you might want some low ankle high gaiters since the top of the boot where you foot enters kinda opens up like a thirsty flower with lots of exposed padding.

The cleat position is great and they even captured the cleat plate between the sole and another layer inside the boot. It appears they are separated with a barrier but I'm not sure if it is a waterproof barrier. I didn't feel any water being sucked up through the cleat hole but I should do an experiment at home with some water in a tray to simulate a puddle.

The Boot walks well as expected. When standing on flat ground it seems like the boot might have benefited from a slightly taller heel but when you start to walk you don't notice it. Also the sole curves in such a way that you get a satisfying roll from heel to toe through the step, this removes all the clunky feeling I usually get from walking around in my hiking boots.

Overall, two thumbs up so far.

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, they are pretty heavy but I didn't really notice while walking and riding.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:17
jimmythefly
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Northwave

rauce wrote:
Northwave makes a winter shoe and their fit is pretty "high volume" especially in the toe box.

fergs wrote:

Yes. I pretty much wear my Northwaves from Dec to April. I'm not training, but I spend plenty of 10+ hour days in the saddle in <40 degrees with rain as well as sub-zero weather. They have a standard 3-bolt cleat attachment.

Endpoint wrote:
Northwave run huge in the toe box in particular. Their winter gtx series shoes are over priced in this segment. I swear they are not as warm as the Shimanos that are less $$$. Unless you have club feet I don't suggest these.

Expedition
Gran Canion
http://www.northwave.com/en/product/_gran_canion_gtx

Explorer
http://www.northwave.com/en/product/_explorer_gtx

Storm
Celsius/Celsius Artic
http://www.northwave.com/en/product/_celsius_artic_g.t.x.
http://www.northwave.com/en/product/_celsius_g.t.x.

lukasz wrote:
I have the Northwave Celsius Arctic. They work. Seems like mine are half a size bigger than my Sidi in the same size (47). Maybe close to a full size bigger. I'd go down half a size from Sidi. So a 46.5 NW = 47 Sidi. But I bet these things change depending on year and model.

Artic Commuter
http://www.northwave.com/en/product/_artic_commuter_m

Extreme GTX
http://www.northwave.com/en/product/_extreme_winter_gtx

Brian W. wrote:
So i just got my first pair of winter riding shoes.... WTF have i been doing with these shoe covers and frozen toes the past few years? Ponyed up for some Northwave Extreme Winter GTX. Sizing we guesses to be spot on as they run big and the fit is awesome. They are super comfy and I've ridden in 30 degree weather on the trails the past 2 days I've had them with no complaints what so ever. Wet, cold, muddy, they are handling it and keeping my feet dry and warm.
Highly recommend(though only have about 4 hours and 35 miles on them if that). Will check back with more miles in the dirt and the road(i use the same shoes for all bikes)

http://road.cc/content/review/100188-northwave-extreme-gtx-winter-boots

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:19
Orc
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Endpoint wrote:
Just about everyone on here has some sort of bro deal…

Ha ha, no.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:21
jimmythefly
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Sidi

fergs wrote:
Whatever you do don't get SIDI "winter" boots. They are completely ineffective in keeping out water/keeping your feet reasonably warm. I have a virtually new set sitting in the closet that I only wore a few times because they suck.

Diablo GTX
http://www.sidisport.com/eng/scheda.php?macro=1&id=46&lng_riv=

Breeze Rain (These seem like not breathable -only wp?)
http://www.sidisport.com/eng/scheda.php?macro=1&id=75&lng_riv=

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:26
jimmythefly
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Shimano
X-Alp from a couple of years ago?
MT70

MT91
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-mt91-goretex-spd-touringhiking-boots/

MW81

b-roll wrote:
I've got cold natured digits and have found the Shimano MW81s to be lacking below the mid-20s.

http://www.bikemag.com/gear/tested-shimano-winter-shoes/

Endpoint wrote:
Shimano MW whatever... used the previous gen ones for a couple years before the emergency room doc cut them off my foot. They kicked ass. I have fondled the current versions and if anything they just seem to be made more durable. I still have the road ones from the previous gen and they are also pretty boss. Fit is typical shimano. A little wider than the euros but not too wide in the heel. Upper has enough room to handle a high instep or arch but also tightens down well. Will probably replace the Nortwaves I foolishly bought soon.

ryker wrote:
Got these. Can't speak to durability cos first season but fit and function are tops.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:26
jimmythefly
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deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:27
jimmythefly
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Vittoria

that guy wrote:
Lowrey'sOrgan wrote:

DQ: recommend me winter shoes for wide feets

Look into Vittoria. They do three widths, two volumes, and will match any upper to any sole in the lineup if you ask nicely. They have a winter boot too, though I've not tried it.

Arctica
http://www.vittoria-shoes.com/eng/products-dett.php?id_art=23&cat=MTB

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:28
jimmythefly
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Still need to add:
Pearl Izumi (Barrier GTX?)
Specialized
Lake
Louis Garneau
Bontrager (?)
DZR
45NRTH

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:29
jimmythefly
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Specialized
Defroster Trail
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftr/shoes/mtb-shoes/defroster-trail

Rusty Piton wrote:
I now have a pair of old defroster a that don't quite fit me and a pair of non-SPD wolvehammer (wtf why do these even exist) that I bought accidentally. I'll send either of those out for el cheapo.
I have a pair of last years defrosters that are awesome.

Rusty Piton wrote:
I just pulled out the old defrosters to compair. Kinda lulzy how much bigger and better the newer ones are.

Endpoint wrote:
The fit of specialized has never hit me right but we sell lots of them and guys like them fwiw.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:38
jimmythefly
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Pearl Izumi Barrier GTX
(not on their site but still available a few places I think)

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:42
jimmythefly
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deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:46
jeffro
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Thanks, JimmyFly! This is relevant to my interests.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 18:54
rauce
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FWIW co worker bro dealed a set of louis garneau ones and is not impressed, he says they're useless at keeping his feet warm at or below freezing.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:07
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #15)

jeffro wrote:
Thanks, JimmyFly! This is relevant to my interests.

Agreed

I wish I was buying some Alpineduros this year. Would be awesome right now. Unfortunately I think we're moving someplace warmer next year so I'm trying to avoid spending too much on pure winter gear.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:08
jimmythefly
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deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:11
jimmythefly
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45NRTH
Fasterkatt
http://45nrth.com/products/footwear/fasterkatt

Endpoint wrote:
The following is based on first hand experience:
The Fasterkatts have some sizing issues so try before you buy for sure. Also the outer layer is smaller than the inner shoe so bros with tall insteps are gonna have problems. It's a low volume shoe vertically but pretty average width/length.

Wolvhammer
http://45nrth.com/products/footwear/wolvhammer

rando wrote:
Wolvhammer is the choice of serious Winter riders up here. Obviously in MN that means Hambieks where heel strike is less and issue. Know multiple racer types who put in serious hours in the worst cold Winter throws at them in those with no complaints. As far as water penetration I have no idea about either 45NRTH boots.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:13
jimmythefly
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Lake

Can anyone confirm if these are actually any good at keeping water out? Lake doesn't actually say "waterproof" anywhere -just "extremely water resistant". They also list the wp fabrics in the "Upper:" description, not the "lining" which is suspicious and makes me think water can still get in through the sole. I can respect that, but I want to know if they are just being cautious, or if they are for example made of wp materials but then stitched and not seam-sealed or what?

The MX105 looks very much like what I am after, assuming it would fit and is actually waterproof.

MXZ03
http://www.lakecycling.com/shoes/mxz303/

MX145
http://www.lakecycling.com/shoes/mx145-black/

MX105
http://www.lakecycling.com/shoes/mx105-black/

Rusty Piton wrote:
Like Sean said, I destroyed a pair of lakes in like a month but I beat the hell out of em and wore em everywhere every day during a particularly nasty winter. They've been redesigned since the ones I had to eleminate the weak point at the heel. I can't speak to the quality of the new ones. .

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:23
lukasz
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I have the Northwave Celsius Arctic. They work.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:24
jimmythefly
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Do they run true to size? (what other shoes can you compare them to fit-wise?)

Thanks!

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:33
lukasz
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Seems like mine are half a size bigger than my Sidi in the same size (47). Maybe close to a full size bigger. I'd go down half a size from Sidi. So a 46.5 NW = 47 Sidi. But I bet these things change depending on year and model.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 19:50
Endpoint
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The following is based on first hand experience:

The Fasterkatts have some sizing issues so try before you buy for sure. Also the outer layer is smaller than the inner shoe so bros with tall insteps are gonna have problems. It's a low volume shoe vertically but pretty average width/length.

Northwave run huge in the toe box in particular. Their winter gtx series shoes are over priced in this segment. I swear they are not as warm as the Shimanos that are less $$$. Unless you have club feet I don't suggest these.

Shimano MW whatever... used the previous gen ones for a couple years before the emergency room doc cut them off my foot. They kicked ass. I have fondled the current versions and if anything they just seem to be made more durable. I still have the road ones from the previous gen and they are also pretty boss. Fit is typical shimano. A little wider than the euros but not too wide in the heel. Upper has enough room to handle a high instep or arch but also tightens down well. Will probably replace the Nortwaves I foolishly bought soon.

The fit of specialized has never hit me right but we sell lots of them and guys like them fwiw.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 20:18
VT regularbike
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FWIR rusty said the lakes fall apart real fast

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 20:22
Rentable Faxmachine
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I have some old-but-barely-used MW80s in size 45 that I don't want/need (major heel rub cuz imma freak that way). They can be yours for the price of shipping.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 20:39
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #25)

Reasonable Facsimile wrote:
I have some old-but-barely-used MW80s in size 45 that I don't want/need (major heel rub cuz imma freak that way). They can be yours for the price of shipping.

pm sent!

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 20:58
lukasz
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I paid $175 shipped for my NW. Doesn't seem bad to me. Those 45 north are way more.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 20:58
randsome beast
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Wolvhammer is the choice of serious Winter riders up here. Obviously in MN that means Hambieks where heel strike is less and issue. Know multiple racer types who put in serious hours in the worst cold Winter throws at them in those with no complaints. As far as water penetration I have no idea about either 45NRTH boots.

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Tue, 12/23/2014 - 21:20
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #28)

Reasonable Facsimile wrote:
I have some old-but-barely-used MW80s in size 45 that I don't want/need (major heel rub cuz imma freak that way). They can be yours for the price of shipping.

These have been claimed.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 21:36
ryker
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(Reply to #29)

jimmythefly wrote:
Shimano

MW81

Got these. Can't speak to durability cos first season but fit and function are tops.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 03:56
Rusty Piton
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Like Sean said, I destroyed a pair of lakes in like a month but I beat the hell out of em and wore em everywhere every day during a particularly nasty winter. They've been redesigned since the ones I had to eleminate the weak point at the heel. I can't speak to the quality of the new ones. The ones I had were very warm and dry while they lasted.
I now have a pair of old defroster a that don't quite fit me and a pair of non-SPD wolvehammer (wtf why do these even exist) that I bought accidentally. I'll send either of those out for el cheapo.
I have a pair of last years defrosters that are awesome.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 15:34
Brian W.
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still super pumped on my NW Extreme GTX. Question though. water will still freeze to the front of them on trail rides. IS there any sort of shoe deicer i can spray on them? While they keep my feet dry, once the fronts off the shoes get covered in ice and frozen my toes will then start to get cold. IT would be awesome if there was some sort of anti-freeze coating for boots and shoes i could try on em!

A+ Thrad. First time with winter shoes and i don't know what the hell i was thinking not investing in them before.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 15:39
Rusty Piton
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I just pulled out the old defrosters to compair. Kinda lulzy how much bigger and better the newer ones are.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 15:47
jimmythefly
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Q1: are the old ones actually waterproof?
Q2: what size?
Q3: dibs

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 17:18
lukasz
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spd-sl wolvhammer or no cleat whatsoever? WHAT SIZE YO

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 17:30
biek

fun fact: the wolvhammer shoes are named after a tarcker's band.

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 17:51
Larry Winget
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^I was wondering about that.

A+ obsessive tarck thread. Would read again.

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Wed, 12/24/2014 - 17:56
Rusty Piton
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Dunno about how waterproof the old specs are, but probably pretty waterproof. They're size "12" but they're toe-numbingly tight on my normally size 12 feets even with fairly thin socks.
On second thought, I'm gonna hang on to the 45nrths. Sorry

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 17:58
jimmythefly
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What size are they in Euro? Can you compare fit to normal MTB specialized shoes? What size Adidas Samba do you normally wear?

FWIW I usually wear a 12, but only because I need the mid-foot width (my footprint is almost elliptical in shape). I can wear an 11 in some shoes if width is OK, don't necessarily need the length of a 12.

Thanks for chiming in everyone. My co-worker has some of the DZRs that he's been all-weather commuting in, so will have to get his opinion. Also thought Fred had some DZRs at one point?

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 18:12
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #39)

jimmythefly wrote:
My co-worker has some of the DZRs that he's been all-weather commuting in, so will have to get his opinion. Also thought Fred had some DZRs at one point?

I had the Minna which was an early model, they utterly failed after less than a year. The nylon sole in one broke in half, and the other one had spiderweb cracks surrounding the cleat.

I tried on their waterproof H20, it seemed sturdier but noticeably less walkable and harder to put on

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Wed, 12/24/2014 - 23:06
liquify
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I have last year's defrosters, which are like Rusty's but not as tall. Wish mine was the taller, but it was on sale and they are pretty good by me. I went with 47s when road with specialized I can do 46.5. Maybe could have sized up a bit, but they have been pretty good. In the rain they were doing their part to keep me dry save for the water flowing in from my rear tire. Maybe taller would prevent it or let you put your bibs over the top of them.

gf confirms Braden's claim of fasterkatt having issues with people with tall instep. Toe box fits her fine, but struggles to zip it up over the shoe. Alas, we got last year's model on sale for $167, and they have made winter riding much nicer.

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 00:49
randsome beast
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My thoughts on this genre of shoe withstanding, I do have some small experience with the conditions they are intended for. "If the shoe fits" is always the criteria that needs to be satisfied first, of course. Fitting in this case means holding your foot looser than normal and being sized for the thickness of socks you will wear. The further you stuff your foot inside an isolated environment the more important blood flow and a layer of air around them is. There are numerous tricks to expanding the versatility and comfort from there. All of that only goes so far though if you ignore mentally and physically combating the elements. Wiggle those toes and don't suppress the vigorous mentality you need to bring to any activity in the cold.

Many of these boots use a sock of some sort built in that may or may not 'lace' separately. You can buy all sorts of crazy socks too that promise to be waterproof or warm when wet or some other magical property. What actually works is unique to everyone. A very thin and loose liner sock works great for some. A super technical pair of synthetics with varied thickness and compression or a simple pair of thick wool socks the end all be all for others. None of these are a solution for everything so give extra thought to what you sacrifice in going for a shoe with a thick sock built in. Don't be blind to acclimation or subtle differences in the climate changing what is comfortable either. If it seems you are dressing too much on the light side and it works you are doing it right most of the time but others going too warm inexplicably saves the day.

I discovered last Winter Ferg and I both have no issue riding down to or slightly below freezing for hours without resorting to using cold weather gear like booties. In that conversation he mentioned that he has had very good results with Assos fuguspeer socks. Most people instantly decide they are not a reasonable option when they hear the price. They are not ridiculous if you consider a the cost figured into Winter boots which use a similar liner. Generally the windproof/waterproof/heat reflective/etc. stuff is junk but these are really what I came in here and typed all of this to explain justifying the cost of. That and to say it is a prerequisite that your feet and hands get cold to the point of pain for sometime afterwards while warming up before you will ever be comfortable in the cold the rest of the Winter.

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Thu, 12/25/2014 - 01:54
Orc
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(Reply to #42)

rando wrote:
In that conversation he mentioned that he has had very good results with Assos fuguspeer socks. Most people instantly decide they are not a reasonable option when they hear the price.

In my experience socks wear a lot faster than shoes/boots do. If I burn through two pairs of $60 wondersocks a season I'm not really seeing how they are any bargain compared to a $240 boot that lasts 4 years?

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 02:06
randsome beast
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Or as a more realistic counterpoint $$$ boots that fall apart or lose out to their weakest component within weeks. That comes uncomfortably close to exposing the very thing I made efforts to refrain from tainting this discussion with my personal thoughts on.

I don't expect you own much Assos anything so I'll kindly point out that nothing they make falls apart. If it were to they are very good about repairing or replacing the item in question. I thought I handled the fact most wondersocks are junk on the way to pointing the rarity of these that aren't.

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 02:54
Orc
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(Reply to #44)

I'm not talking about falling apart; I'm talking about wearing out, which clothing tends to do. The thing that tends to wear out on my cycling shoes is the sole, and that happens much slower than wear to my socks. Does Assos have a lifetime free mending warranty?

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 03:04
randsome beast
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I'm struck by the infeasability of convincing you. Whatever war of attrition goes on around your feet is a personal battle no doubt fought without space age technology

Yes orc, they will eventually succumb to the same effects of age and use that befalls all physical objects. And discussions that wear thin as well.

emor wrote:
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Thu, 12/25/2014 - 03:37
Orc
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(Reply to #46)

Well, your description of winter shoes collapsing is a matter of weeks, which seems to be well out on the tail of the failure curve. How long does it take you to wear out a pair of your wondersocks?

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 04:02
Petr5
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Assos has a 1 yr free repair/replace policy. If you wear them out as quick as you expect to, you'll get 18 months out of a set. If you wear them year-round, that is.

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Thu, 12/25/2014 - 06:53
randsome beast
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Not being any more willing to pick this up than I was at 3 AM, my (edit: second to) last contribution is going to be das wunder sockes haven't worn out. Not even close. Which is so closely related to my recommendation of them it shouldn't bear numerous repetition.

How would you answer to a repeated attack on having said your cordura bag is more durable than one constructed of loosely woven cotton, orc?
HOW FUCKING LONG DID IT TAKE TO WEAR OUT DESPITE IT STILL BEING IN ACTIVE USE?

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 11:34
Orc
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(Reply to #49)

Bags don't wear the same way as clothing does, though if a cordura bag sags against a tire it will wear through pretty quickly (possibly quicker than canvas; one of my porteur bags has a nice wear hole in the bottom because it sagged into the front tire halfway through a 70 mile ride) and repeated loading will find any defects in materials in a hurry (the same porteur bag has a back panel made out of cordura with poorly applied waterproofing; after 2 years most of the waterproof layer there is gone and there's nothing left except the fabric. Still usable, but if I'd sold this bag to someone I would have warrantied it by now.)

The 1 year warranty makes the wondersocks a lot more appealing; worst case of $120 for two years of winter wear compares favorably to winter shoes (how do they work for warmth when the enclosing shoes are soaking wet and acting like swimming pools? Would I need to wear light summer shoes for drainage?)

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 12:47
randsome beast
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I came back to rework the content of that last post with a more mature response easier to spot the humor in, too late. You seized on an unintended aspect of that long semi-informational note on one way Winter boots differ from the widely varied construction of shoes. Along the way I hoped to distance myself from ultimately saying buy the most expensive thing by showing a combination of things already owned will probably work. Wasn't sure if you were being intentionally difficult or just weren't going to understand without stopping the good progress happening in here to engage in a lengthy side discussion. The latter broke ground and layed a foundation so we might as well just grade a road right up to it.

High end low production synthetic clothing items like the fuguspeer that actually work well almost universally share a common feature. They work ridiculously good until they don't. What that means is they don't show any outward appearances of wear and never lose function until the very second they disintegrate. For the sake of being sickenly clear that statement applies to items that were carefully washed at the right temperature when soiled but never received unusual wear and tear. If you drag them across the ground without shoes on they will get holes, pack bigger feet into them than they are sized for they will stretch, and without penning boilerplate all common sense that applies to a successful warranty claims fulfillment applies as well. For the sake of moving past the warranty lust it only applies to manufacturer defects. Stating you assume a cycle of warranty claims is leading and dishonest.

How well they are perceived to function in relation to standing water inside a shoe is intensely personal. If the shoe was to be drained and suddenly allow air flow an entirely different personal perception could likely arise. I start struggling with continuing to express a thoughtful response here. In the same vein as your connotations that they are a purchase requiring a stock of multiples to continue benefiting from their status as wondersocks. I can't answer to their long term performance in what amounts to warm Spring or cool Summer rain conditions up here because I would never purposely force them into that duty. You continually keep trying to create the illusion a general information post about Winter boots was a personal sales pitch.

Maintaining a warm dry skin condition inside multiple layers without needless bulk restricting free movement of the ankle = what was so close to being hashed out here in a comprehensive look at the options available on the market. Start another thread on swimming in self proclaimed wondersocks if that is your topic of most intent interest.

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 14:24

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