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kmcdon
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I think I paid closer to $250-240 for the sugino 601 nerdcranks, NIB. Ebay, if you don't want to pay retail.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 00:32
eric_ssucks
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FSA does make a sl-k 386 Evo nerd crank with a removable spider. It's pretty trick unless you're one of the 85% of bikes out there with a BSA bottom bracket, then your bb solutions are pretty kludgy.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 00:41
Blakey
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If you want narrow q, sub 34T, sub 1kg, there are few (new) options (sugino OX, compass/herse, FSA SLK, T.A Carmina, praxis zayante, WI VBC.). little economy of scale, little price competition. Even the IRD Defiant is >$200.

If you're a dirtbag, and you still want the above but without the pricetag, you have a few options, most of which are too time intensive: In ~increasing price:
repurposed 94/58 or 110/74 BCD MTB cranks with a shorter UN55
hack a 110/74 road triple to a double
old 50.4 BCD cranks
Used fancy nerd cranks (I got lucky on ebay)
swap a 104/64 spider onto sram s900 cranks.

Or wait for VO's new 46/30 crankset

Or shimano's inevitable merging of 24mm spindle road / MTB / metrea into a hollow arm, low Q crankset with 4 arm asymmetric chainrings.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 00:52
eric_ssucks
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I'll probably be too old to ride by the time the Shimano unicorn crank comes out.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 00:57
kmcdon
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I'm pretty sure the Q on my stronglight 49D is 138mm with a 122.5mm UN55. I know for sure that they're narrower than the ox601, and you can get it for less than $100 if you're willing to wait for a deal. Chainrings might not be particularly cheap, though.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 01:05
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Kyle, you should know I never pay retail for bike parts.

If that Velo Orange comes in black, it would make a tempting addition to several bikes.

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Mon, 09/04/2017 - 01:28
Face
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(Reply to #957)

eric_ssucks wrote:
I'll probably be too old to ride by the time the Shimano unicorn crank comes out.

I hope to get said crank, a road clutch dangler for 1x, and a TA dyno hub by the time I retire. That way I'll actually have the free time to enjoy them.

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Mon, 09/04/2017 - 01:46
Sneaky Viking
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(Reply to #958)

eric_ssucks wrote:
Doubles as a boat anchor if you find yourself in maritime situations.

I see OX601Ds at 925g

Ebay says 485g on the FSAs, + 313g for UN54

I'm not sure of 9/11s chainring compatibility

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 07:47
jamesacklin
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(Reply to #959)

Blakey wrote:
swap a 104/64 spider onto sram s900 cranks.

A friend of mine went this route, unsure how it turned out since he ditched it within a week for 1x.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 11:59
Face
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(Reply to #960)

jamesacklin wrote:
Blakey wrote:
swap a 104/64 spider onto sram s900 cranks.

A friend of mine went this route, unsure how it turned out since he ditched it within a week for 1x.

Very curious how this would work out.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 13:09
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #961)

ladrodibici wrote:
650B rims for a gravel/all-road bike running 42mm rubber... Stans Crest? Is there a better value light weight rim?

I haven't ridden then yet, but I think the wtb KOM rims were a lot nicer to build with than the Stan's rims I've built up in the past (quite a few). They felt a lot less soft and are pretty comparable, weight-wise.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 13:27
jeffro
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Mon, 09/04/2017 - 14:53
Shortpants
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Yall are ridiculous arguing about why major manufacturers don't offer a cheaper version of the subcompact.

The industry is JUST now starting to fully embrace compact cranks and there are still a lot of dead-enders out there that never will. Now imagine how many people are done with compact and moving onto subcompact? Cool so take whatever number that is you've made up and split it in two. Because if you offer two products you've now split your market between the two. You could have offered one product that filled the tiny tiny niche of nerds that want a subcompact. For that product you've nailed down the designs, manufacture, etc to get a certain margin. Now do it again for the cheaper product. You've now doubled your cost, lowered your margin on the 2nd tier item, and all for the same market share you had to start.

Good job. Now take a trip over to the bike blog thread to criticize radlawn for going out of business because they chased fads too quickly resulting in poor QA and half baked ideas.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 16:17
Shortpants
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Also remember that everything has an opportunity cost. It's not like those factories have machines sitting idle and workers playing card games to pass the time. Whatever time/labor went into creating that small margin 2nd tier subcompact could have been used to manufacture high-margin quickly moving product already in their product line.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 16:35
eric_ssucks
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Shimano won't do shit with a subcompact until they get (~10,000?!??) A lot of orders. Trek is a lot of the way there, but sram with their 1x is already taking a lot of the subcompact market.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 17:15
Face
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(Reply to #966)

Shortpants wrote:
The industry is JUST now starting to fully embrace compact cranks...

It's not 2007 anymore. Compact cranksets and semi-compact have been mainstays for a while now.

I'm with you on every other point though.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 18:18
Tail Hook Lengthener
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He's still right, though. The industry only switched over to compact like ~4 years ago. Even with 7900/6700/5700, 53/39 was the de facto standard.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
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Mon, 09/04/2017 - 18:33
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #968)

Might try a set of those cranks once my VO 46/30 chainrings wear out on the commuter. Not really feeling VO's squared-off crank arms, they clip the heels of certain shoes and I'm starting to loathe their appearance.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 18:56
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #969)

eric_ssucks wrote:
I'll probably be too old to ride by the time the Shimano unicorn crank comes out.

I fear that when they eventually do come out with a narrow-Q subcompact it will look like yet another robocop codpiece

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 19:02
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #970)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
eric_ssucks wrote:
I'll probably be too old to ride by the time the Shimano unicorn crank comes out.

I fear that when they eventually do come out with a narrow-Q subcompact it will look like yet another robocop codpiece

It is certain to look that way, and you know it. The SRAM adventure crank 1x is probably where the industry is heading, cheaper MSRP on bikes, no need to educate consumers about how dual-range transmissions work, and lighter published weights.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 19:12
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #971)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
eric_ssucks wrote:
I'll probably be too old to ride by the time the Shimano unicorn crank comes out.

I fear that when they eventually do come out with a narrow-Q subcompact it will look like yet another robocop codpiece

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 20:12
Blakey
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OMG

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 20:21
jamesacklin
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Very accurate

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 20:28
Todd
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is that a tarckshoop?

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 20:50
Endpoint
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It better be now.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 21:16
euclid
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!!!

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 21:26
jeffro
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Goddamn, Squirrel. Nice.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 21:30
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #978)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I fear that when they eventually do come out with a narrow-Q subcompact it will look like yet another robocop codpiece

The era of classy Shimano design is fully over, it's all about "total integration", now. There is literally NO question that it will look like this, and use proprietary, hard-to-find chainrings. Literally no question whatsoever. This was one of my reasons for finally buying a Sugino.

I actually like the way the new stuff looks, but only on the sleek carpet fiber wunderbikes for which it was designed.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 21:42

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