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Sneaky Viking
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everything else aside Shimano should really be making a 32h 11s centerlock hub. that is some bullshit.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 06:24
Endpoint
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(Reply to #102)

bonechilling wrote:
Bullshit. Shimano changes things and does things the way that they do because they're way fucking smart engineers who are constantly figuring out better ways to make bikes work. Sorry if you're sad that they didn't include an upgrade path to their magical shifting with perfect ergonomics and impeccable braking. 'Guess you'll just have to sell some more high quality bikes, or ride some shitty SRAM drivetrain with a bunch of cobbled-together parts to make it work acceptably.

This is true. Their design process makes sense in the lab but in the real world not every rider is replacing their entire group or getting a new bike ever design cycle.

Also: no drop bar / clutch option means off the back right now.

Also also: new magical front shifting relies on that brace/set screw which does not work on all frames with existing braze ons even with those crappy stick on plates. So even if customer decides to upgrade they still may not get everything working 100% because Shimano's approach to design is too narrow. I

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 07:24
randsome beast
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So do you try to put Camry parts on a Durango, swap drive shafts between a red Saleen Mustang and a silver Porsche 911? No because that would be fucking stupid and is what you are trying to justify.
Akin to bitching every time a new model of your car comes out with refinements but not bothering to deal with the fact it breaks constantly yet the parts never get any better.

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 07:31
Endpoint
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Considering bike manufacturers almost never spec full groups to begin with and there are a ton of class defying bikes being produced these days I would have to say the auto analogy is pretty bogus.

But on that note many vehicles from the same parent manufacturers or platform do share a fair bit of common parts. But yeah... The Durango Camery thing is straight up shimergo

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 07:48
randsome beast
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VAG is making a concerted effort to share parts now and into the future. But historically in auto making the precedence is towards technology and revisions never standing still.

It does hurt to see America have a contender in the fight with its hands so tied and of lower overall quality. Zipp and the rest of their companies included.

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 08:12
aerobear
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This is a dumb argument, but we're all entitled to opinions so whatever.

I have ridden only 10s SRAM, with two different sets of Rival, Force, and now Red shifters. Except for the red, I did almost all the installation with very minimal skills. The rival stuff all worked awesome. The last rival shifters I had were pretty old and came to me second hand, so wasn't surprised when one broke, but I was sent Red shifters as replacements. Previous to those breaking, they worked amazingly for probably ~15k miles. Never had any issues. Set up was easy. Front shifting was easy. Never a problem. My force shifters, the front one built up quite a bit of resistance somehow, not sure what that was about, but previous to that issue, easy with no issues. None of my other SRAM parts have broken or needed warranty. Also had an apex dangler with an x9 shifter, no problems on that.
I currently use a an FSA front derailleur I got for free and still shifts without any issues (on both my shimano cx70 cranks nad previously on some shitty fsa gossamers with their nicer chainrings).

Your experience may vary. But doesn't mean lots of people out there haven't used it without any problems (and at the time it was easier/cheaper).

Having built multiple sram bikes and re-cabled a dozen times, actually generally always had a better time than I have had trying to get the cable tension right on my 6800 front derailleur. Can't get it tight enough, have to use up a bunch of the inline barrel adjuster. Probably just a terrible home mechanic.

The 6800 shifters feel amazing though. The cable pull is just right to make shifting a breeze. Definitely takes less effort than SRAM and the levers are less floppy feeling to me than previous gen. 5700 shimano to me was absolutely terrible on my hands and 6700 not much better - could not handle either of those. Test rode several bikes with that generation of shimano and never wanted any of it.

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 09:29
VT regularbike
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The key to setting up front shifting on the shimano stuff is setting up the lower limit, then screwing it in like 2 more rotations, pull the cable, bolt it, then back it out those 2 rotations, it should be pretty close to perfectly taut. dial it in with a barrel adjuster.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 10:37
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #108)

Endpoint wrote:
Also: no drop bar / clutch option means off the back right now.

Totally agree with this.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 10:59
johnnyraja
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(Reply to #109)

VT regularbike wrote:
The key to setting up front shifting on the shimano stuff is setting up the lower limit, then screwing it in like 2 more rotations, pull the cable, bolt it, then back it out those 2 rotations, it should be pretty close to perfectly taut. dial it in with a barrel adjuster.

Sunuvabitch

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:11
johnnyraja
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Also, yeah, have had second gen force with a 6600 pusher on my primary road bike for close to 5 years now. Love it, no issues, etc.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:12
liquify
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Will have to try that with my pusher, which has been a pain in the ass of late. Probably needs to just be recabled, too.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:19
Tail Hook Lengthener
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As usual, I think the biggest problem with 6800/5800 FDs is from people who don't RTFM.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:55
ergott
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Man there is some hardcore component trolling going on here.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 12:09
imoscardotcom
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maybe i just set it up poorly, but I still can't get my force22 FD to play nice

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 12:36
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #115)

imoscardotcom wrote:
maybe i just set it up poorly, but I still can't get my force22 FD to play nice

There's a video on YouTube from Art's that shows how to set them up properly.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 12:41
feta lightning
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Campy 11. Move on with your life. Though waiting on hydro dick campy. Who knows how long that's going to be.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 12:59
randsome beast
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I think we just passed into Spring.

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:04
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #118)

bonechilling wrote:
As usual, I think the biggest problem with 6800/5800 FDs is from people who don't RTFM.

TC: I couldn't get shifting and trimming to work right on my 5800. Then I RTFM and I was like "Oh, I'm doing this wrong". And then it worked.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 13:27
turpencat
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had to RTFM on setting up sram's yaw dangler.
did the step by step and worked great first time.
did not read manual for 10speed red. worked fine also.

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:38
aerobear
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(Reply to #120)

bonechilling wrote:
As usual, I think the biggest problem with 6800/5800 FDs is from people who don't RTFM.

definitely didn't, but i suppose i should now since i recently needed to fuck with it as the cable stretch was causing derailleur rub in like 2-3 cogs and it was getting real old.

a shop set it up originally, against my advising
(i.e. started putting it together, left, and weirdo mechanic fiddled with it forever against my recomendations)

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:47
feta lightning
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Yeah the cable clamp routing on the new gen FDs is a little wacky, as is that trim function.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 14:51
oogens
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(Reply to #122)

Sneaky Viking wrote:
everything else aside Shimano should really be making a 32h 11s centerlock hub. that is some bullshit.

white ind CLD?

so far giving me all of it

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:06
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #123)

oogenssssss wrote:
Sneaky Viking wrote:
everything else aside Shimano should really be making a 32h 11s centerlock hub. that is some bullshit.

white ind CLD?
so far giving me all of it

1/2 available hubs

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:17
buffoon
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(Reply to #124)

Moncler Puffy Vest wrote:
oogenssssss wrote:
Sneaky Viking wrote:
everything else aside Shimano should really be making a 32h 11s centerlock hub. that is some bullshit.

white ind CLD?
so far giving me all of it

1/2 available hubs

and cost 3x what shimano hubs normally do

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 15:25
fixed
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i consider myself a mediocre mechanic (only work on my own bikes, never worked in a shop, etc) and i managed to set up 6900 with just the tech docs. and this is when my wife was in the hospital and my two-month-old was only napping for like 45 minutes, so everything i did was rushed. obviously that doesn't address the cable pull complaints, but IF you're using all one group it's not impossibly difficult.

the only problem i had with the FD was not realizing there's an extra trim position, so spent 20 minutes swearing and trying to figure out why the fuck i couldn't eliminate rub before i realized that no, i wasn't actually in the most inboard position even though i'd clicked the lever a few times.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 16:45
aerobear
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i'm using trim on both big and little chainring. i just couldnt get the cable tight enough when clamping the cable down to not have to use 3/4ths of the inline adjuster to get it not rubbing in the biggest gear.

still havent read the instructions
can't say i really ever read the instructions
terrible bike mechanic

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 19:42
thurston
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(Reply to #127)

aerobear wrote:
i'm using trim on both big and little chainring. i just couldnt get the cable tight enough when clamping the cable down to not have to use 3/4ths of the inline adjuster to get it not rubbing in the biggest gear.

still havent read the instructions
can't say i really ever read the instructions
terrible bike mechanic

Same as my experience with 5800.

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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 20:00
randsome beast
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As if getting too much trim is ever a problem.

emor wrote:
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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 20:03
kevinwulf
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(Reply to #129)

VT regularbike wrote:
The key to setting up front shifting on the shimano stuff is setting up the lower limit, then screwing it in like 2 more rotations, pull the cable, bolt it, then back it out those 2 rotations, it should be pretty close to perfectly taut. dial it in with a barrel adjuster.

This.
Or this:

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 20:26
VT regularbike
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No you're just going to ruin the cable using that. read the fucking directions it's not like the normal FD's you're used to using.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 21:09
biek
(Reply to #131)

fix wrote:
managed to set up 6900 with just the tech docs.

6900?

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 21:55
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #132)

VT regularbike wrote:
No you're just going to ruin the cable using that. read the fucking directions it's not like the normal FD's you're used to using.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 02/09/2015 - 22:09
randsome beast
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(Reply to #133)

biekridder wrote:
fix wrote:
managed to set up 6900 with just the tech docs.

6900?

6870 with the shifter functions reversed and you're being clever?

emor wrote:
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Mon, 02/09/2015 - 22:22
NOVELTYNAME
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Dq: what is a mips helmet?

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 00:49
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #135)

Moncler Puffy Vest wrote:
Dq: what is a mips helmet?

http://bit.ly/1z3eEW5

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:07
CheshireCat
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does anyone still make 26 inch tubeless rims... that are rim brake?

I have this old singlespeed. I want to go tubeless on it, but it is cursed with rim brakes. Am I stuck living that tube-lyfe?

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Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:22
VT regularbike
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I've never had a problem with ryhnolites and gorilla tape.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:30
emor
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http://www.bhsi.org/mips.htm

Thoughts? Their point is a helmet slips a shit ton even without the mips.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 01:36
kevinwulf
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(Reply to #139)

bonechilling wrote:
VT regularbike wrote:
No you're just going to ruin the cable using that. read the fucking directions it's not like the normal FD's you're used to using.

Welp. I did it the other night and it worked perfectly. But now that I know better I won't do it again.

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 04:08
curiousincident
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(Reply to #140)

necktubeo wrote:
As if getting too much trim is ever a problem.

at the expense of your joke, this was actually the final thing that tipped the scales away from 6800 shifters/derailers for me

i really hate that trim

Tue, 02/10/2015 - 08:26
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #141)

VT regularbike wrote:
I've never had a problem with ryhnolites and gorilla tape.

Yeah, my Rhynolites have done the whole tubeless thing incredibly well for a few years of no fucking with them now, aside from pulling the balls of dried up sealant out periodically.

Wed, 02/11/2015 - 00:38
oogens
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(Reply to #142)

CheshireCat wrote:
does anyone still make 26 inch tubeless rims... that are rim brake?

I have this old singlespeed. I want to go tubeless on it, but it is cursed with rim brakes. Am I stuck living that tube-lyfe?

was wondering this today. rhynolite with a strip is probably the best, but there's this:
http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/a23-559

bit narrow for mtb use, but that would be the lightweight option. haven't had problems with tubeless on my a23s nor my blunt sl's that I had. dent as easily as any other aluminum rim I've had

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 00:59
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #143)

oogenssssss wrote:
CheshireCat wrote:
does anyone still make 26 inch tubeless rims... that are rim brake?

I have this old singlespeed. I want to go tubeless on it, but it is cursed with rim brakes. Am I stuck living that tube-lyfe?

was wondering this today. rhynolite with a strip is probably the best, but there's this:
http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/a23-559

bit narrow for mtb use, but that would be the lightweight option. haven't had problems with tubeless on my a23s nor my blunt sl's that I had. dent as easily as any other aluminum rim I've had

Fuck that shit. Get Rhynolites + Stan's strip.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 01:37
jawn doe
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My experiences with a23s (all MUSA) have been pretty much abysmal. Unreasonable tension drop when tire inflated, bulges around spoke holes when built within tension spec and eventually cracking, not particularly smooth builds and they don't seem to tolerate crashes, like, at all. I've never managed to kill a rhynolite with years of commuting, crashing and drunking.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 08:37
bward1028
(Reply to #145)

jawn doe wrote:
My experiences with a23s (all MUSA) have been pretty much abysmal. Unreasonable tension drop when tire inflated, bulges around spoke holes when built within tension spec and eventually cracking, not particularly smooth builds and they don't seem to tolerate crashes, like, at all. I've never managed to kill a rhynolite with years of commuting, crashing and drunking.

a23 = worst rim ever. seen so many crack or have nips pull thru, or get huge fucking dents from normal riding. will never buy again.
rhynolite = my favorite rim.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 09:36
lukasz
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So did Velocity moving production stateside fuck them up? I mean they were never great but now....

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 13:15
fixed
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(Reply to #147)

biekridder wrote:
fix wrote:
managed to set up 6900 with just the tech docs.

6900?

sorry, fat fingered 6800.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 16:55
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #148)

lukasz wrote:
So did Velocity moving production stateside fuck them up? I mean they were never great but now....

different potmetal from before

and changed to TLR which means the seated tire stresses the rim radially (tension drop)

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Thu, 02/12/2015 - 17:46
randsome beast
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EE/Winter I remember some time ago you were searching for a certain color of bibshorts. Did it happen to be navy blue?

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Thu, 02/12/2015 - 19:28
jawn doe
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What's funny is there was a batch of particularly shitty a23s our shop got, that were bad enough that velocity said "yeah, we really fucked that dog with a bad batch of metal, heres some rims and labor credit, don't even bother sending those ones back, we know what we did", and then it got back to a regular level of terrible.
Fred, what about TLR makes it such a drastic radial stress? Is it the bead shelf being close enough to the hook that the tube pushes down on the bead shelf in addition to out on the hook? Is that why Stan's rims also have a pretty hasty drop in tension? Does a proper UST/bead barb type system do the same? What are your thoughts on the Bont'rageur "put a plastic strip with a lip in it" style of tuberous ready shenanigans?
That is all.

Thu, 02/12/2015 - 21:14

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