Tell Me What Bike To Get

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white folks
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yeah $1000 gets a lot of wheel.

distracted by ass pain

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 12:18
catdrew f
(Reply to #102)

white folks wrote:
yeah $1000 gets a lot of wheel.

IMHO baller wheel plus caad10 Ultegra > himod

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 12:35
euflavine
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(Reply to #103)

Endpoint wrote:
Basically it rides like a VERY average carbon bike. It's smooth but kindof dead. Nothing like the hi mod which has a very pleasant ride. Same deal with the Synapse. Cheap carbon is smooth but meh. Himod feels like a race bike.

Interesting, in my research up to this point my findings were basically that hi-mod equals stiffer & lighter, not much different for most riders, but I can see this observation as well. Already ordered the low-mod evo with di2, cuz complete bike was pretty much the same price as I was coming up with for CAAD frameset plus di2 group & si hollowgrams. So, it wasn't ruling out nice wheels for me, at least. Rode a low-mod to test, and the feel was close enough to my Felt that I was cool with it. Wanted something a bit more forgiving than the CAAD10.

We'll see once I get it, I suppose. I'm not a sprinter, and I'm light, so differences like you stated tend to be less obvious to me.

Anyway, didn't mean to derail;
For Jordan's application it really does seem like a CAAD10 or Hi-Mod would be the choice. Force is nice enough for any race bike. My ideal winter trainer would be my exact road bike with 28mm tires and fenders. It's very nice to be able to train on the same position, gearing, and set up as your race bike.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 13:09
Gary Fissure

can she test ride at dougieshop? some of those carbon Scotts are not bad.
I've heard those Evo himods are stiff as fuck. but crazy fast.
have you tried 11s Shimano shape?

if it were me I'd go:

  • 5800 on race bike and some baller wheels. unless you can get a last year's 6800 bike cheap
  • R685 on gravel bike with DT350s to i19 or KOM and gravel kings

material is less important. particularly with bigger tires.

mander wrote:
And what if the part is, like, just a nut? *huge bong rip*

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 13:41
NOVELTYNAME
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Quote:
R685 on gravel bike with DT350s to i19 or KOM and gravel kings

wat

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 16:46
halbritt
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(Reply to #106)

catdrew f wrote:
white folks wrote:
yeah $1000 gets a lot of wheel.

IMHO baller wheel plus caad10 Ultegra > himod

baller wheel himod > *

Wouldn't fuck around with any kind of lowmod frame.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 16:48
Gary Fissure
(Reply to #107)

Miguel wrote:
Quote:
R685 on gravel bike with DT350s to i19 or KOM and gravel kings

wat

wat u dnot

mander wrote:
And what if the part is, like, just a nut? *huge bong rip*

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 16:54
Bahamontes
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Buy hi mod UDi2 to solve shimano shakes issue
Buy baller tubies
Save funds for maintenance and work on mechanical empathy
Ride it until it breaks

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 18:20
lukasz
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good wheels > carbon frame. I vote CAAD 10 and balleur spinny things.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 20:09
white folks
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she got tiny hands yall. shimanos dont work.
shit, srams barely do.

distracted by ass pain

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:42
catdrew f
(Reply to #111)

white folks wrote:
she got tiny hands yall. shimanos dont work.
shit, srams barely do.

but bro hydro shakes from shimano are teh jaaaaaaaaammmzz

fuck logic, internet said otherwise

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 01:44
halbritt
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di2 shakes are all plastic anyway, just grind 'em down until they fit.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 02:15
GrandmaJordan
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ITT Tarck completely ignores opportunities for tiny hands jokes.

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Fri, 09/26/2014 - 10:41
white folks
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i think we all probably thought it, but decided against it.

distracted by ass pain

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:16
asterisk
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Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:17
Gary Fissure
(Reply to #116)

white folks wrote:
i think we all probably thought it, but decided against it.

mander wrote:
And what if the part is, like, just a nut? *huge bong rip*

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 11:50
halbritt
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(Reply to #117)

Sneaky Viking wrote:
white folks wrote:
i think we all probably thought it, but decided against it.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:35
randsome beast
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Twin Six steel rando with discs and fender/rack mounts and room for 700x43c tires? $600 frame only, $630 paint matched fenders

Edit: Forgot I pulled that "Final Word" line out for a second go round. And jumped back in for a second time. smiley

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 12:59
lukasz
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Shimano levers with the adjustable reach stuff are too big (I mean I barely know anything about Shimano, maybe they all do that now)?

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 15:22
deadforkinglast
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Shimano levers are thicker on the hoods and the reach isn't as adjustable the shrams. I haven't been on the new Shimano hoods (which look better), but I know that, for all of my various complaints about sram, the hoods on my 2010 Force group were more or less ideal for my (very small) hands. A little better than my Campy 10 hoods, though I like the lever shape of the Campy shakes more. New campy hoods are nice, but getting campy on your bike is kind of an asspain if you're buying complete (which you should be if you can brodeal).

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 15:28
imoscardotcom
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i'm kicking myself in the ass for not testing out 6800 hoods before i pulled the trigger. i dont know if I have smaller hands or just hold hoods weird, but way more into my old rival shakes.

JP- get another caad10 for sure

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 15:44
oogens
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Caad10 with retro shift is the obvious answer

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 20:35
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #123)

rando wrote:
Twin Six steel rando with discs and fender/rack mounts and room for 700x43c tires? $600 frame only, $630 paint matched fenders

ooh they put up a catalog with details: http://www.twinsix.com/assets/documents/58820-cat.indd.pdf

I like the bolted DT full housing clips and the low BB, wish the HTAs were a degree steeper tho

PF30 shell is rad for SS use, but means errybody needs an expensive BB for it not to suck

 
real downside is that it's probably the usual 9/6/9 OS turdly tubing

but another way of looking at it is that it's a much better Straggler with the same materials meeting the same constraints

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Fri, 09/26/2014 - 21:16
DDYTDY
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Didn't read through the whole thread... I'm sure there's a lot of good here and this is probably redundant.

A mid to high end CX bike is made for grass crits not bombing loose gravel/dirt road descents. I love my fat tired/ traditional road geometry road bike with old school flexy box section tub rims. I can rip through gnar that has roadies on their CX bieks walking at D2R2 every year.

If I was to do it again and I think I will, It'll have the same rims but disc braks and fender eyez. Maybe a bit more clearance.

Tue, 09/30/2014 - 20:35
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #125)

DDYTDY wrote:
I can rip through gnar that has roadies on their CX bieks walking at D2R2 every year.

smiley

all about that passing on the inside at warp speed life

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 09/30/2014 - 22:45
GrandmaJordan
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Well, I ordered another CAAD10. I'll be looking for some awesome wheels come spring.

I'll also be getting sized for the Nor'wester in October sometime.

Thanks again for everyone's input. I feel a lot more confident in my decision, and feel like I've made good use of my resources! Watch this spot in 6 months or so, and hopefully I'll have put aside enough to be looking at MTBs.

Budweiser is doing amazing things with limes these days. - Coleman Light with Lime

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 17:12
Larry Winget
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Sweet.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 19:32
DDYTDY
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smiley

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 20:13
feta lightning
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Shoulda bought a GT Grade.

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 21:12
imoscardotcom
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noice! I'm jeal

Wed, 10/01/2014 - 21:59
white folks
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(Reply to #131)

feta lightning wrote:
Shoulda bought a GT Grade.

nah coz dick braks

distracted by ass pain

Thu, 10/02/2014 - 00:42
catdrew f
(Reply to #132)

white folks wrote:
feta lightning wrote:
Shoulda bought a GT Grade.

nah coz dick braks

Bu how is she gonna do uphill stoppies in the rain?

Thu, 10/02/2014 - 03:10
Roundabout
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I am officially back in California and in need of a commuter for the next 5 years. Depending on which way I go I'll be looking at a round trip of 25-30mi and 3000ft of climbing (Bay Area Tarck: Moraga to UC Berkeley campus via canyon/pine hurst, el toyonal, or wildcat all feeding to Grizzly look like best options). I want to be able to carry laptop/lunch/change of clothes/book or two (I've never done the whole rack business so am not attached to front or rear load for personal preferences). Climbing/descending is fairly clustered in steep, switchbacky bits so ideally it would have disc brakes and handle reasonably well. Not attached to a specific frame material, just something that checks the boxes and will be fun to ride 30mi/day on. I can store it at BART or secure locker on campus so can be somewhat nice, but I'd prefer to stay below 2-2.5 bongs all said and done.

If you've seen my bikes you know I tend to run a lot of drop due to long legs/arms combo. Most of my frames are aggro 58s but a lot of the touring/commute frames look to be pretty tall/short for my lanky self.

I don't have a good sense of what the smaller brands are doing, but something like the DB Haanjo seems like it would work (trail version has Ultegra/r685, tubeless rims, and could be had for under $1500 w/o rack).

What would tarck do?

Tue, 06/21/2016 - 19:45
NOVELTYNAME
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db haanjob
gt grade
endpoint cg

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 06/21/2016 - 19:51
oogens
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You mean bike locker at Bart right? Because everything gets stolen there

Didn't fuck with the rear rack/pannier thing much, and I have the low trail front load deal now, which I like but my very occasional commute is flat (just the little climb up the hill I'm on)

Also, you're renting out in moraga now?

Tue, 06/21/2016 - 23:54
Roundabout
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Previously had a cg, looking to go in a different direction. Not a huge fan of the way the grade looks, which unfortunately plays a role in the decision. I started looking at the various Gunnar options but had no idea there were so many.

oogens wrote:
You mean bike locker at Bart right? Because everything gets stolen there

I mean either 1) the bikelink e-lockers on campus (I think there are also some university-sponsored ones as well) or 2) the group parking storefront on Shattuck. Though after getting into the shared office today there might be enough space left over once we all settle that I could potentially just haul my bike up there (assuming folks in my cohort don't mind). Any other lockup ideas? It won't really save me much time to bart in and bike commuting would save me a healthy chunk of change and allow me to get in exercise (and hopefully maintain some fitness in case I try to do some racing this year).

I'm in Lafayette for the next couple weeks, then will be moving into a condo in Moraga

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 01:57
iwillbe
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1. Is there a good option for locking a semi-nice bike at Cal or around downtown Berkeley? Besides taking a bike into your office/lab/whatever, I can't think of any place where it wouldn't get parts yanked off of it.

2. Most of the commuters I see on Wildcat / Canyon / Pinehurst etc are on road bikes in lycra carrying small backpacks. Maybe Bart in from Lafayette once a week to stock up on office clothes and buy an 11" Macbook Air? Schlepping a load up and down 1000' vertical of hillside switchbacks every day just doesn't sound fun to me, but what do I know.

3. I'm not sure where in Moraga you are, but I'd probably go Old San Pablo Dam Road to Wildcat to Shasta to Grizzly Peak, and then take Euclid straight to Cal or Marin straight to warp speed (20% avg grade?). Canyon to Pinehurst to Skyline to Grizzly Peak would be the scenic route, for sure.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 02:02
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #138)

Roundabout wrote:
I don't have a good sense of what the smaller brands are doing, but something like the DB Haanjo seems like it would work (trail version has Ultegra/r685, tubeless rims, and could be had for under $1500 w/o rack).

that's a great price, prodeal?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Wed, 06/22/2016 - 03:40
motorbacon
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When are you moving to Moraga?

Look at Felt V85 with stem slammed and negative? It's a goddamned commuter. We (Sports Basement) have the 105/spyre builds priced at 1200 because Felt was retarded and the new west coast sales rep (ex Specialized sales bro) decided to take Felt to Mikes Bikes......

Takes a rear rack, comes with 33c clements and is actually pretty rad for commuting/dick around/road+dirt rides.

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 04:40
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #140)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
Roundabout wrote:
I don't have a good sense of what the smaller brands are doing, but something like the DB Haanjo seems like it would work (trail version has Ultegra/r685, tubeless rims, and could be had for under $1500 w/o rack).

that's a great price, prodeal?

Amazon has them for $1700 so that's close

That seems like a helluvalota bike for the money in any case!

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 10:40
Roundabout
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(Reply to #141)

I'm in Lafayette right now and commuting from here for the next month.

JUGE FREDD wrote:
that's a great price, prodeal?

What's crazy is that it isn't even prodeal. Looks like Accell brands aren't on my deal list anymore for whatever reason but Jenson and BC/CC have them on sale for $1600, then add in the 5-7% on ActiveJunky gets you to $1488-1520 territory.

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 12:16
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Lots of big companies have worked out deal with Accell to get like 40% off retail on Diamondback. Go to the Microsoft campus and count the poorly-assembled $400 hybrids, sometime.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 12:43
imoscardotcom
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verizon/aol gets that discount too.

can confirm, lots of derped up DBs rollin' around.

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 13:02
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Yeah, they ship those things to the customers exactly as a bike would arrive at a bike shop. Now, building a bike from a box isn't hard, but it does take certain expertise and some fundamental understanding about how bikes work. Diamondback claims that the bikes are "90% complete", effectively encouraging these clowns to try and build it themselves. Frankly, I don't understand how this isn't considered a huge liability, because a company like Trek or Specialized has been known to pull dealerships from shops who allow customers to take un-built boxes home.

Fortunately for them, and I have plenty of replacement derailleurs.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 06/22/2016 - 13:52
fixed
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would those haanjo things be total shit for cx racing? the geometry isn't THAT far off from a specialized crux. i don't have a desperate need for a very low front end.

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 15:25
fixed
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dear god this is a horrible review:
http://www.outsideonline.com/2035201/diamond-back-haanjo-trail-six-month-review

still, i want one of these now that i know they exist. $1600 on competitive cyclist + $80 stem + $100 bars + $80 seatpost + $160 real ultegra cranks is still a great price.

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 15:36
Rentable Faxmachine
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If you're going to complain about the bike's fit/geo, maybe include a table or graphic? Just sayin'...

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 15:45
fixed
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i could be misinterpreting what you're saying, but i'm not complaining about its fit or geo! i think it looks good. i'm just asking whether people think it would be a decent cx race bike, based on geometry.

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 15:47
Rentable Faxmachine
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Sorry, I was commenting on the original author/article. He could have included some actual details in the Fit/Geo section of the article.

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 15:51
Roundabout
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I saw that and stopped when I got to the fit section of the article. Suggesting one size up to achieve longer reach while completely disregarding that other dimension known as "stack" is garbage.

BB will be a little bit lower than some cross race bikes, but I raced my coffee grinder for a season and didn't feel like it held me back (more my general lack of cx skills).

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 16:05

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