Poopbarning: not pukebacking like they used to thread

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"You know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But fuck it, I still love it."

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 21:32
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b-roll wrote:
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Mon, 05/26/2014 - 21:49
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ShartAttack wrote:
b-roll wrote:
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So rad. thanks for the updates. Can't wait to see the rest of the trip reports roll in.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 00:40
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ShartAttack wrote:
b-roll wrote:
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Tue, 05/27/2014 - 08:57
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nice job, Mig.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 09:02
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Sneaky Viking wrote:
nice job, Mig.

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Tue, 05/27/2014 - 09:48
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Mr. Grumps wrote:
ShartAttack wrote:
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ckd wrote:
Hey Josh, WTF is up with your signature?

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 10:51
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EJ wrote:
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b-roll wrote:
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Tue, 05/27/2014 - 10:57
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cookietruck wrote:
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Tue, 05/27/2014 - 10:59
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GrandmaJordan wrote:
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b-roll wrote:
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miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

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Tue, 05/27/2014 - 11:25
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Jawn finishes just under 30hrs. Proceeds to ride back to Seattle.

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/oregon-outback-and-the-long-way-back/

Edit:NVM I see this is covered in the bike blog thread.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 15:43
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Also a run-in with the law. That'll play well at the next poetry slam or whatever he does between rides.

Tue, 05/27/2014 - 16:06
dema
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Miguel wrote:
Just finished
And for the thread name, I puked. Exerted myself to the max.

Nice. My friend uploaded his GPS and photos:

http://app.strava.com/activities/146407050
https://plus.google.com/photos/107091452908396055762/albums/6017614843221851825

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:18
liquify
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God that looks awesome.
Braden, when you decide to do it, let me know.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 10:46
ShartAttack
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So, uh, is anybody still out there? Cuz I would be.

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:23
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Yeah, my friend's photos are amazing. I can't wait to hear about it.

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:24
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(Reply to #67)

ShartAttack wrote:
So, uh, is anybody still out there? Cuz I would be.

there were some that were planning for 6 days. im not sure how the weather is doing but it's been raining the last ~18 hrs in portland. i dont know if i could handle being outside for that long...but then again im a whiny baby complainer who doesnt like to camp as much as i like nice hotels and restaurants
edit: a benchmark for 60-80 miles a day would be really enjoyable now through mid june, weather permitting (like, no torrential rains or blazing desert heat) as long as you could haul as much water or gear as needed

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:34
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Yeah, if you were rough camping it every night for 6-7 nights I think that could get rough. If you had a route that would take you past campsites with showers and water that would probably work better, but you'd lose some of your rustic appeal (if you can't tell, my brain is still trying to twist this into Dirt RAGBRAI)

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 11:57
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i guess i dont know what ragbrai is? ive seen people in ragbrai kits that look like weekend warriors/charity riders.

somebody may say different (where is fred and andrew?) but #oregonoutback was difficult. for a while i contemplated the #bendbailout but then what fun would that be? by difficult i mean the terrain was tough, the services were far apart, and direction/logistics/mapping was somewhat a guess game if you didnt have a gps ( i was wearing a garmin/cervelo hat). there were stupid bonus miles and shortcuts that ended up more difficult than the original route. the cue sheet wasnt exactly right and if your non gps computer wasnt calibrated right it was a guess game for some of the turns. fortunately we were pretty solidly mid-pack and could see the tire tracks of people in front of us.

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:06
ShartAttack
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RAGBRAI is a week long bike ride that is nearly the exact opposite of what you just described.

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:09
emor
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As far as I can tell RAGBRAI is mostly people getting wasted and partying as they ride across Iowa.

Both of these experiences sound pretty worthwhile to me.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 12:15
mr. fop
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I've heard it's a bunch of middle aged people eating turkey legs.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:03
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #73)

ShartAttack wrote:
Yeah, if you were rough camping it every night for 6-7 nights I think that could get rough. If you had a route that would take you past campsites with showers and water that would probably work better, but you'd lose some of your rustic appeal (if you can't tell, my brain is still trying to twist this into Dirt RAGBRAI)

2 nights or 7 nights aren't really that much different. Once you have a system in place to make yourself comfortable for a single night (be it tarp, hammock, whatever), that same system will see you through many other nights. The only thing that really changes is the amount of food you carry, your gear load is basically static. (add fuel, patch kits, blister care)

What you have to do is get good at your 2-night game. Get to where your are not limping home on day 3 with dirty pans, soaked tent and sleeping bag, ripped clothing. Instead you are rolling home and could simply re-stock on foodstuffs/water and roll right back out again having barely touched your bike.

Water sounds like the kicker for OregonOutback. Adding a full day into the middle of one of the no-water stretches adds a fair bit of weight.

Work to get past the camping-as-survival mindset. It should be much more enjoyable than mere survival.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:06
Petr5
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jimmythefly wrote:
Work to get past the camping-as-survival mindset. It should be much more enjoyable than mere survival.

This is exactly why I got an RV atmo.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your bike sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:33
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Speaking of RAGBRAI, i used to have a coworker who, whenever someone would bring up bicycling, would say, "when I did RAGBRAI..."

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:45
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jimmythefly wrote:
2 nights or 7 nights aren't really that much different.

Have you ever camped much? Eventually the sleep deficit is going to accumulate.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:49
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I beg to differ. Eventually, you get tired, and used to sleeping rough, and you just sleep. I've gone on plenty of multi-day backpacking trips where after the first two nights, you sleep like a baby as soon as the sun goes down. Walking or riding all day does wonders for helping with the discomfort of sleeping rough. Jimmy is right about the 2-night game: if you can do 2 nights in comfort, you can do 10.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 13:59
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I've got no problem with the actual camping. "When I did RAGBRAI", my wife was begging me to take showers because I DNGAF (though I'll admit they were nice when I had them). I think Jimmy's right that supplies are the biggest thing. I figure just in cages on my touring bike I can have about a day's worth of water, but that's presuming I'm not sweating my balls of (which I would be). The second biggest hurdle for me would just be the athleticism that I don't have that appeared to be required.

Outback still sounds like a real one-of-a-kind ride but if I were planning my own trip like that I'd still be hitting a couple gas stations per day if just for KYBO ATMO

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:21
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I'm with Jimmy and eric_s. I often sleep better in the woods than I do at home. Add in 50-100 miles of riding a day, four of five beers at night, and I roll off to sleep instantly. I have a Neoair pad, the most comfortable pad I have ever used, and wake up refreshed. Since I rarely use a tent, I just sit up and cook up some coffee, still in my sleeping bag.

Did nine nights last summer and never felt uncomfortable. The biggest problem is the pervasive filth, but a wipedown + jump in the lake cures it well.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:29
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Holyshit, so so good
Full photoset is up, grams are at the top so scroll down to get the real camera shots. Note Miguel spy shots and Tarck membership verification.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_squirrel/sets/72157644884129914/


Oregon Outback Day 1

Oregon Outback Day 1

Oregon Outback Day 2

Oregon Outback Day 2

Oregon Outback Day 3

Oregon Outback Day 3

Oregon Outback Day 3

Oregon Outback Day 4

Oregon Outback Day 4

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:30
jimmythefly
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halbritt wrote:
jimmythefly wrote:
2 nights or 7 nights aren't really that much different.

Have you ever camped much? Eventually the sleep deficit is going to accumulate.

I am talking specifically about "normal" pace backpacking, biking, whatever.

I am specifically NOT talking about the race-pace that Ira or Jan did. Though when you look at Tour Divide kits, they carry pretty much the same stuff for two nights or twenty, too.

Yes, have spent a fair bit of time camping far from services, without automobile. For several years I was actually an outdoor professional (LOL) in various parts of the country.

IMO 2 or 7, IF your 2 night game is on, are pretty much the same. Beyond 10-ish nights things are still similar, but food weight can add up, and I want to start paying attention to menu variety. Also some foods that keep fine for a week will start to get a bit funky. Trash starts to add up, so thinking through how I package food not only for freshness but to minimize garbage matters. Need to have a plan for washing socks/undies and rotating them. Other things that I usually "just take one of" I start to think more carefully about how much I actually use, or if I need to double up on salt or cooking oil or stove fuel or TP or whatever. A single book might not make it past 10 days depending on the style of trip.

I think we must be talking about different things. I usually get more/better sleep while camping than any other time in life.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:50
jimmythefly
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Andrew, Hell Yeah!!!\

Some beautiful pics in that set.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:50
NOVELTYNAME
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LOOK AT THE BURGER BELL
LOOK AT IT
https://flic.kr/p/nJCzLS
https://flic.kr/p/nLnXt2

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:55
ShartAttack
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Damn you Andrew, those pictures are awesome

(p.s. who do you have to know to get one of those Swift jerseys?)

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 14:58
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(Reply to #85)

ShartAttack wrote:
(p.s. who do you have to know to get one of those Swift jerseys?)

You have to know the Swift people.
True story: I was in the boy scouts with Jason from swift. We were not best friends. Teenage years are rough.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 15:46
ShartAttack
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That's what I was afraid of lol. It's just such a cool design.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 16:44
halbritt
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(Reply to #87)

jimmythefly wrote:
halbritt wrote:
jimmythefly wrote:
2 nights or 7 nights aren't really that much different.

Have you ever camped much? Eventually the sleep deficit is going to accumulate.

I am talking specifically about "normal" pace backpacking, biking, whatever.

I am specifically NOT talking about the race-pace that Ira or Jan did. Though when you look at Tour Divide kits, they carry pretty much the same stuff for two nights or twenty, too.

Yes, have spent a fair bit of time camping far from services, without automobile. For several years I was actually an outdoor professional (LOL) in various parts of the country.

IMO 2 or 7, IF your 2 night game is on, are pretty much the same. Beyond 10-ish nights things are still similar, but food weight can add up, and I want to start paying attention to menu variety. Also some foods that keep fine for a week will start to get a bit funky. Trash starts to add up, so thinking through how I package food not only for freshness but to minimize garbage matters. Need to have a plan for washing socks/undies and rotating them. Other things that I usually "just take one of" I start to think more carefully about how much I actually use, or if I need to double up on salt or cooking oil or stove fuel or TP or whatever. A single book might not make it past 10 days depending on the style of trip.

I think we must be talking about different things. I usually get more/better sleep while camping than any other time in life.

Okay.

Probably, I just suck at sleeping.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 18:40
Andrew_Squirrel
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Thanks!
I think the Jersey's will eventually be available on the website. J & M are just trying to figure out which jersey manufacturing company to go with. I guess they weren't happy with the durability of the last kit and want to beat on the new ones a bit before committing to a big order.

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 20:08
Andrew_Squirrel
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lulz at solar chargers on handlebar rolls that face north the entire ride:
http://theradavist.com/2014/05/bikes-faces-oregon-outback/#24

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 20:21
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Which was the worst section of road; the OC&E ROW, or one of the forest roads?

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 22:01
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Now that time is a less critical factor can you explain the concussed team member incident, Mig?

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Wed, 05/28/2014 - 22:16
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Worst section was probably the red volcanic sand after fort rock/before sandy springs, but the headwinds on the gravel rollers between shaniko and the dalles kind of ruined spirits. I think access to services is the downfall of this ride. If there were checkpoints/bag drops every 50-75 miles that would make this thing super awesome but then I would expect it to be ragbrai of the west/or what I understand that to be. I think it would be stupid to ride it anywhere near the off season but there are houses, cabins and barns along the route and you could beg for help or b&e if you were gonna die.

Yes, concussion. It was an experience/handling error.

We were riding at ~20mph on soft gravel approx 20 mi from the start, we were 200' from a cow gate(there are pictures, people have posted them). He reached to grab a bottle and twisted his bars, turned the wheel and hit the ground head and shoulder. His head hit underside of the helmet, outside eye. I was 15ft behind, got to him first. He had a 'starstruck' look in his eyes and started concussion talk: feedback loop, "what happened" "I don't remember" "aw fuck guys I'm sorry" and that went on for 20 minutes while we tried to get our bearings. I went to work on his bike(cracked and rashed nds shifter/campy bullshit torx) and other buddy got first aid kit going. We were solid mid pack and everyone passed. It was as you would have expected. We rode 5 miles to the nearest shit town, called FIL and waited for 90 min before leaving him in the care of the feed store operator and a nice lab/rott named howdy. He ended up with a clean bill from the doc, a few bloody noses and a nice shiner.

Here's how I think he could have prevented it:
More training with his actual set up on diverse terrain.
He is an experienced -road- rider. He is bigger than me and kicks my ass all the time. He was riding a soma double cross canti with 2 low riders in the front and ~?35mm file tread? tires. We went on -1- fully loaded shakedown ride as a group together for ~30 easy miles on familiar gravel roads. The road he crashed on had big soft gravel(the kind you find on Dixie mtn, locals) and I doubt he tried to ride his set up there. He had mentioned he was overloaded and I think he wasn't used to that much weight on the front end of his bike, let alone that terrain. He was lucky it happened where it did because it could have been much worse elsewhere. And later we found that my other buddy had an easier time with rear panniers as he could stand on climbs and not spin out. That bike set up would not have worked on the red sand very well nor the thick fat gravel later. This ride needs fat tires and even my other buddy, who had 35mm Sammy slicks, said he needed to go bigger. 2.2s were good, a bit bigger would be awesome.

Moral of the story: overtrain and know what you can do

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 05/28/2014 - 23:58
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #93)

Miguel wrote:
Worst section was probably the red volcanic sand after fort rock/before sandy springs

Agreed, I lowered my tire pressure quite a bit about 1/3 way in and that seemed to help. Wondering if I could have benefited from an even lower pressure. I need to pick up a pressure gauge one of these days and experiment. Some of the guys on that trip absolutely refused to drop some air for the really loose sections, I was confuse.

My downfall was carrying too much food (and water sometimes). I reached the end with an unbelievable amount of snacks. Ugh, the half jar of peanut butter I thought I would spoon out....nope

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 01:51
emor
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It's so easy to pack way too much food

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 02:22
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(Reply to #95)

Miguel wrote:
Worst section was probably the red volcanic sand after fort rock/before sandy springs

I loved that, and didn't even let air out until I got to the right turn where it lost the fluff

you have to be comfortable climbing seated

and you and your shit have to be balanced over the wheels

Miguel wrote:
but the headwinds on the gravel rollers between shaniko and the dalles kind of ruined spirits. I think access to services is the downfall of this ride

camp in shaniko and leave real early while it's calm

and lol that part of the route has several little towns along it

Fort Rock to Prineville is the toughest, but Brothers isn't too far off route at the bottom of Sand Springs

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Thu, 05/29/2014 - 05:55
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #96)

Miguel wrote:
Just finished
And for the thread name, I puked. Exerted myself to the max.

people puked outside cowboy dinner tree and the morning after

and again the next night in the prineville, people puking out of their tents in the middle of the night

dema wrote:
Nice. My friend uploaded his GPS and photos

goddamn the SuperPro guys were Super, Professional

Murphy and Salar were the only people outside my crew that would take a beer handup the first day

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 06:18
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #97)

Miguel wrote:
direction/logistics/mapping was somewhat a guess game if you didnt have a gps ( i was wearing a garmin/cervelo hat). there were stupid bonus miles and shortcuts that ended up more difficult than the original route. the cue sheet wasnt exactly right and if your non gps computer wasnt calibrated right it was a guess game for some of the turns. fortunately we were pretty solidly mid-pack and could see the tire tracks of people in front of us.

The course was awesome, but the route was ridiculous by SIR and Point83 standards. Gabe and Donnie's ride last year differed over more than a third of the mileage, in a different season (90 degree days with a constant light tailwind), at a 7 day pace, with no followup on the ground.

They posted some feedback from people who'd ridden it in the weeks before the event, but discounted most of it and the page wasn't linked to anywhere else on their site: http://velodirt.com/final-oregon-outback-preparation/ -- I only found it on the PNWbikepacking FB group afterwards

They really expected everyone to depend on electronic navigation. They knew the road names were bad but didn't bother to correct them, so the cue sheet I made for people sucked since I only recompiled what was messily provided by them into a real-world format. Thank god for tire tracks!

I'm planning to make an accurate cue sheet now that I know where the bodies are buried and what road signs exist.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 06:30
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Serious jelly here. I want to do something like that.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 07:41
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #99)

JUGE FREDD wrote:

They really expected everyone to depend on electronic navigation.

Ugh fuck that. No directions is better than wrong directions.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 05/29/2014 - 11:44
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #100)

jimmythefly wrote:
Jawn finishes just under 30hrs. Proceeds to ride back to Seattle.

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/oregon-outback-and-the-long-way-back/

Edit:NVM I see this is covered in the bike blog thread.

Am I the only one shocked that he wears this watch?

emor wrote:
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Thu, 05/29/2014 - 12:49

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