bike jocks road and track 2014/15 thread

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GrandmaJordan
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ITT I am glad I started road racing after leaving California, because apparently it's all crits all the time there. Yuck.

Nice work, though, roundabout!

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Sat, 02/01/2014 - 23:00
Roundabout
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Thanks! Road races have started up around here, it's just that I'm bottom of the totem pole at the shop for sales floor and the other two racers are super anti-crits so I can get those days off more easily. Also, I feel like crits are helping me work on my pack maneuvering, sprinting, and top end power - all things I see as limiting constraints that need some work if I want to join the big boy p12's in the next year or two.

Super bummed, circuit race tomorrow is cancelled. Not that I had a huge shot at winning, more that I have a lot of confidence coming off last weekend and had my race prep dialed and would've trained differently all week had I known I wouldn't be racing. Blah.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 23:36
Flamandrio Schw...
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Jealous of you guys in the warmer climates, my team hasn't even ridden together outdoors once this year lol

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 23:35
BabbyMatt
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All crits all the time? Nah they're just easier to get to, probably because it's much easier to find a crit venue in a populated area than a road race venue.

Raced knights ferry today. It was tough, attack after attack. Hung in for a pack finish, didn't look at my result but nothing stellar. My teammate was supposed to race it but he missed his start because he had the time wrong. Poor guy just chased solo the whole time, came within a couple minutes of the field a few times and finished maybe 5 behind? Strong like bull, smart like..

Bummer about red kite canceled tomorrow, gonna do early bird #5. I'm on orders to attack the field in a spectacular fashion, so that's what I intend to do. Not expecting anything to stick but the rain may be in my favor?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 00:18
halbritt
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(Reply to #55)

BabbyMatt wrote:
Raced knights ferry today.

You uploaded these files? I'm curious what the numbers look like.

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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 01:07
motorbacon
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Fuck your skinny tires, I'm posting about dirt racing....

Quick recap for my first race, evvvveeeeeeeerrrrrr. CAT 3 19-34. Took a friend's advice of not blowing up the first lap and it helped. I think we had 12 or 13 people in our group and turning onto the trail after the starting straight I was 10th, I think. There were about 50 CAT 3ers on the course at once. Started picking off guys til I was 4th or 5th until I drifted through a turn and someone tried to pass me and literally elbowed me out of his way and onto the ground as I was off balance and drifting. Meh, it happens. Unfortunately there was a group of the old guys flying through so I lost some time there. First half of the 3rd/final lap was a bit rough as my back started aching and legs somewhat went dead, but I was able to get back on the power the last half. I also ran out of water.

Short version: Did way better than I expected myself to do for a first race. I'm hooked. Spent more time sideways in turns and I need to air down the fork/tires and adjust my fit a bit. Lots of fast single track with some annoying short climbs thrown in. Great times.

I'll post a picture if they come up.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 03:29
GrandmaJordan
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Way to go, MB! What race was it?

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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:08
motorbacon
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It's the CCCX XC series that primarily races at Ft. Ord and Toro Park. Friends have been trying to get me to do it for years but I never tried. Glad I finally did.

I guess I forgot to mention I came in 6th.

Lulz. Check out the gloves.........forgot my real gloves at home....

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:42
Larry Winget
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Nice!

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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 12:16
halbritt
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WTH dude does his first Cat 3 XC race and gets 6th?

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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 13:06
BabbyMatt
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Isn't cat 3 the cat 5 of MTB around here? Definitely a good result still, I'm sure your bike handling from all the dirt rides transfers over pretty well... and the fact that you've got a good motor

Coldest/wettest race to date today. My wrists kept freezing up and sending weird tingles down my arm every time I shifted. No power in the legs as expected, felt slow as heck but finished with the pack. 6th of 10 or something, not many wanted to show up and get soaked in 40 degrees today.

Also found out I got 16th yesterday of 51 starters, so not as far back as I thought. Only 31 finished, so that should illustrate how tough the attacks/surges were

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 13:44
motorbacon
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Cat 3 is the slowest category, but most of these fuckers have some serious power and speed.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 14:50
crabbi
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(Reply to #63)

GrandmaJordan wrote:
ITT I am glad I started road racing after leaving California, because apparently it's all crits all the time there. Yuck.

Hush. Crits teach you how to ride a wheel, take a corner, and actually handle your bike. They are just a shorter, more intense road race.

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Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:29
CheshireCat
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I miss riding. Actually i miss training. 14 hours a day is killing me. Friends get faster and I get slower :-(

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:14
crabbi
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Two weekends ago was my season opener. 64mi RR and 55min crypt the next day. Racing on a steel bike is weird, man. Could be that cranks are shorter than I normally use for racing and I didn't change my position from commuting. I literally took the racks off and changed tires. Nothing notable happened besides taking a $25 prime from a buddy on a propel with enves.

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 13:48
Viggen
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In my opinion that is pure smiley

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 14:04
BabbyMatt
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agPkon1XjB0#t=190

These guys are fucking nuts, that move on the inside for the win especially

Are all pro/1/2 races like that?

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 14:26
crabbi
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In southern California...yes. 3s are like that too. You should come down for a race some time.

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 14:30
Personicus
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What a fucking move in that crosswind. Fuck yes.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 17:39
halbritt
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One dude wanted to win... Other dudes didn't seem so into it.

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 18:32
crabbi
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(Reply to #71)

halbritt wrote:
One dude wanted to win... Other dudes didn't seem so into it.

Yeah. No.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 18:33
halbritt
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(Reply to #72)

crabbi wrote:
halbritt wrote:
One dude wanted to win... Other dudes didn't seem so into it.

Yeah. No.

You don't think so?

Could be mis-reading this group, but the one guy has two teammates on the front with 22 seconds to go and some dude comes around him like he's standing still. Maybe I missed something earlier in the video.

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 18:41
BabbyMatt
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(Reply to #73)

Looks to me like the front guy (#6) on the lead-out train waited a little too long before pulling off, causing the speed at the front to drop a bit. Also looks like the crosswind was coming from the left and they didn't expect anyone to try to squeeze through the sheltered side. Notice how second leadout guy has to get back up to speed (#48). Winner jumps early and hard up the sheltered side and slingshots past, which makes them have to sprint to try to reel him back, but there's too big a difference in speed and it's too late. They should have stuck closer to the gutter and that leadout guy should have pulled off earlier.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 18:53
halbritt
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AKA, one dude really wanted to win and the other guys not so much.

WTF do I know, though? I don't race.

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 19:31
Personicus
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In all seriousness, that's the kind of shit that pisses me off in p/1/2 races... this isn't the Tour, you're not getting a green jersey, there are no podium girls. You and I have to go back to our real jobs tomorrow. Don't you fucking dare risk my safety over your office park crit glory.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 20:47
crabbi
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Both those teams are pro conti. Lulz.

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if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 20:29
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #77)

BabbyMatt wrote:
that move on the inside

Man, fuck that guy.

I guess that's why I don't race on the road though. I'm slow and I don't have the patience for that kind of shit.

Fuck that music even more.

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Tue, 02/04/2014 - 20:53
aerobear
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lol@ the music. fuck, 2010 dumbstep comeback.

but yeah - dude had some serious balls pulling that shit. watching the whole video, couldn't tell if that kept being the same guy or if it was a different guy on the same team who attempted that move like 3 times before he successfully hit it and moved up at the right time.

he timed it just right and slingshotted around, and he did it early enough to get a gap. so his time was good. risky? yes? unsafe? yes? but no one got, so fuckit, he won fair and square.

crits are about owning your move. you gotta take a space and commit to it, otherwise you won't win.

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Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:22
Viggen
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And that is why I'll never be a "proper" racer-bro.
I'd freak the fuck out and probably hurt myself and others badly while freaking out..

Whippin Skidz wrote:
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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 01:57
aerobear
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For most, confidence comes with experience. Some people will never be as comfortable as others plowing into a tiny hole. I'm still not proposing that anyone should get good enough to wanna pull that curb hugging move the guy in the video did.. But there's a reason there are a categories and it isnt just because each one is faster than the other. You gotta get comfortable and confident with where you put your bike. It takes time. Cat 5 races gonna give each other a huge buffer, the buffer gets smaller and smaller as you move up.

We have to practice it in drills - group of people rides literally shoulder to shoulder in a cluster and you have to ride through the group just sticking your front tire in there and nudging everyone apart with your shoulders. You have to commit though.

That's in the grass, in the mud though, not on concrete at 30mph. But the whole point is to slowly master the mental game.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 10:47
crabbi
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OabLxUZiAgM

For reference, here's the same course in the 5s

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 12:12
BabbyMatt
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(Reply to #82)

aerobear wrote:
Some people will never be as comfortable as others plowing into a tiny hole.

*giggle*

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 12:23
crabbi
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No butthole no care

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if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 13:32
BabbyMatt
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wonder if #34 did that silly looking attack up the left to open up room for his guy on the right actually

anyway, kinda wish I had the brass ones to race like this, mine look more like the cat5 race posted :|

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:27
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #85)

crabbi wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OabLxUZiAgM

For reference, here's the same course in the 5s

didn't look at the video title

fell out of my chair laughing when it happened

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:33
GrandmaJordan
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(Reply to #86)

Viggen wrote:
And that is why I'll never be a "proper" racer-bro.
I'd freak the fuck out and probably hurt myself and others badly while freaking out..

I hate crits. I'm hardly a "real" racer bro, but I did race over 60 races last year. There are many, many races that aren't crits. You do have to be comfortable with pack riding, but in road races, as opposed to crits, there's a lot less skill involved (i.e. you're probably not going to be bumping people or riding quite so close and dealing with 90 degree corners and stuff).

I did do a few crits. The first one was very, very non-technical, and I pulled a mid-pack finish. The other 3 I did were all awful. I am not confident riding close to other people, and I hate cornering in groups. I only registered because my team got points in a women's team competition just for me showing up and racing.

All that is to say that you can race and kind of avoid crits if you want. If you want to excel and be really awesome, you'll probably have to become competent at crits, but you can certainly race without having crit-racer brass balls.

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 19:46
randsome beast
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emor wrote:
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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:36
Roundabout
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Speaking of crits... big one here (Cherry Pie) this Sunday, finishes on a 20sec or so 3-5% climb. Despite not doing any sprint practice this year until this week, hill sprint intervals at the end of my big ride today saw best 10s power since a podium worthy effort in April last year. Found myself checking the course profile and watching footage from last year's race just now.

I think I want to do well.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 00:46
aerobear
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(Reply to #89)

match avatar wrote:
crabbi wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OabLxUZiAgM

For reference, here's the same course in the 5s

didn't look at the video title

fell out of my chair laughing when it happened

lol. cat 5s are like coasting, then someone just inexplicably crashes.
aw

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:05
aerobear
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(Reply to #90)

Roundabout wrote:
Speaking of crits... big one here (Cherry Pie) this Sunday, finishes on a 20sec or so 3-5% climb. Despite not doing any sprint practice this year until this week, hill sprint intervals at the end of my big ride today saw best 10s power since a podium worthy effort in April last year. Found myself checking the course profile and watching footage from last year's race just now.

I think I want to do well.

shit
i would rule that

still haven't done much as far as intervals since recently getting at PM, but looking at GC looks like my best are sittin at
10s power 800w
20s power 724w

20s "hill" kinda sweet spot for me.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:09
BabbyMatt
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Aren't you coming down to the bay around then? If schedules line up you should do it!

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:17
aerobear
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(Reply to #92)

BabbyMatt wrote:
Aren't you coming down to the bay around then? If schedules line up you should do it!

i am bringing my cross bike down i think
plus not ready for racing season yet

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 01:21
Roundabout
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Thanks to such rad weather, our season opener races had a pretty solid turnout. I mean, the below race is typically 50* and raining. Then this happened:

No warmers, no baselayer needed. dub tee eff.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 12:24
GrandmaJordan
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SO JEALOUS.

Also, how do you like those shoe covers? Thinking about ordering a pair.

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Thu, 02/06/2014 - 14:35
crabbi
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DeFeets are awesome.

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Thu, 02/06/2014 - 14:54
Personicus
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DeFeet makes a pretty awesome shoecover. You should buy two pairs though, they do wear out quicker than most. Also, read the instructions before cutting a hole in them. Seriously.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 16:45
Roundabout
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imo they're decently warm and perhaps slightly more aero than your standard shoes, also come in neon pink so that's a bonus. Definitely not the same aero benefit as a pair of bdsm covers. Then again you can wear the defeets, have warm feet that still breathe, and not look like you take yourself so seriously. I cut the hole then chain stitch the edges so it's on lock, but don't expect much more than a season out of a pair, particularly if you walk much in em.

Thu, 02/06/2014 - 22:56
Personicus
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Non-stop racing blue balls for me this weekend.

On Saturday, Folsom Winter Crit:
Got boxed in during the cat 3 sprint by a rider who blew his load and pulled off out of the wind instead of into it. Finished 3rd.
Let the winning break go up the road in the 2/3s and had to duke it out for 5th in the field sprint. 5th.

Cherry Pie in Napa on Sunday:
Again, let the winning break stay away--despite bridging to within 5s, seeing it wasn't riders from the big teams and assumed they're be reeled in and sunk back to the peloton. Took 6th in the bunch sprint.

I'm so frustrated. So many tactical fuck-ups on my part. Still 1 measly point away from my cat 2. When I easily left 3-4 pts. on the road this weekend.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 21:16
Roundabout
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Cherry Pie: Despite having zero rain all winter, today saw us caught in a huge storm, probably heaviest rain/wind combo I've experienced in a roadie race. Got in a bunch of dangerous-looking attacks that didn't stick. Watched winning break get a 10s or so gap, thought "that's the winning break" right as my teammate jumped to bridge. Sat on the front as he attempted the bridge but then blew up. Realized a lap later they weren't coming back, so I jumped. Spent 4/14 laps in no man's land trying to bridge, got reeled back in with 3 to go. Didn't position well in the leadup to the sprint and ended up having to take the windy inside on my own the whole way up the climb rather than the protected right. Made up a few places and finished 8th. Got some Clif gels (gross) and a free wine tasting for four (less gross) for a prime. Not what I had in mind. Bummed.

Road race next Sunday is one I really want to do well at, though this whole "work and be on my feet the whole day before racing" thing is quickly losing its charm. Especially since next Sat will be a late night as I get off work 6:30ish and have a 3hr drive that evening.

Sun, 02/09/2014 - 23:41
killing time
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epic racing this weekend. i raced folsom on saturday and dnf'd because it was super fucking cold and blowing me around.

raced cherry pie and tried to fallow a few mikes bikes guys only to be painfully reminded of what two weeks off in January can do. finished in the third group on the road, while my team mate made it to fifth.

Mon, 02/10/2014 - 01:26

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