Miguel's fat-tired fopmobile

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Blakey
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Hahaha, I usually shop at spencer24.de

Tue, 11/14/2017 - 02:37
NOVELTYNAME
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I’m sorry for continually asking DQs about mtbs

For a hardtail trail/firelane bike - what is the squish fork to use? 120? 150?

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Thu, 11/16/2017 - 16:57
Face
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Whichever the bike is designed around.

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Thu, 11/16/2017 - 18:44
NOVELTYNAME
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Yes, do I want the bike with the 120 or the 150?

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Thu, 11/16/2017 - 18:50
DaFROG
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what you want is a sus-spencer....

i'll show myself out

We have assembled an international voltron of geometry, marketing and metallurgy experts working around the clock and have determined that your bike sucks

Thu, 11/16/2017 - 19:11
Viggen
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(Reply to #1056)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Yes, do I want the bike with the 120 or the 150?

Which are these two bikes? You still looking at carbon from far-east?
Do you want to ride only fire roads and XC type sufferfest stuff the "120 bike" is more appropriate.
If you want to try manoeuvring a rock garden, leave the ground and catch some air, "get rad bro" and maybe try your wings in a bike park/proper trail center then "150 bike" is more appropriate.

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This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 03:34
shane.rrr
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(Reply to #1057)

Viggen wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Yes, do I want the bike with the 120 or the 150?

Which are these two bikes? You still looking at carbon from far-east?
Do you want to ride only fire roads and XC type sufferfest stuff the "120 bike" is more appropriate.
If you want to try manoeuvring a rock garden, leave the ground and catch some air, "get rad bro" and maybe try your wings in a bike park/proper trail center then "150 bike" is more appropriate.

What if we want both?

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 07:58
Lowrey'sOrgan
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Tarck is about underbiking

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 10:49
Face
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I've never ridden a 150mm hardtail but my 130 hardtail gives me all of it. I've had 100 and 120 in the past and they were very good until things got gnarley. For fire roads I'd suggest a 100-120 XC style bike.

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:11
Viggen
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(Reply to #1060)

Face wrote:
I've never ridden a 150mm hardtail but my 130 hardtail gives me all of it. I've had 100 and 120 in the past and they were very good until things got gnarley. For fire roads I'd suggest a 100-120 XC style bike.

I own a 160 HT, that thing is fun as fuck! But I lowered the fork to 140 to not crack the frame because of over forking (On-one 45650B is designed for a 130-150 fork).

shane.rrr wrote:
What if we want both?

Then you do what Tarck Bear™ intended and buy both.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:25
shane.rrr
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I wish I could get both. Currently just have a XC style hardtail

Fri, 11/17/2017 - 12:59
NOVELTYNAME
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Thanks, this helps

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Fri, 11/17/2017 - 13:06
NOVELTYNAME
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Dq: 700x28 or 650x38 race bike?

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Tue, 11/21/2017 - 18:00
Endpoint
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Wat?

Tue, 11/21/2017 - 20:25
mdilthey
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(Reply to #1065)

Endpoint wrote:
Wat?

26/M/41t N/W

Tue, 11/21/2017 - 20:55
NOVELTYNAME
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Race bike that fits 28s or 38s

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Tue, 11/21/2017 - 22:27
Endpoint
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I think tarck agreed that anything with a diameter smaller than a 700x23 starts to feel wonky under go fast use. The few fast fast rides I did on Baby Shoes didn’t give me all of it compared to a fast rolling 700x28-35.

Plus you’re going to start having to think about B.B. drop if you like to pedal turns.

Tue, 11/21/2017 - 22:38
kmcdon
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I like 25s more than 23s for sure. I had those attack/force tires for a year or so and they were fast as hell, and didn't really seem to give up any handling compared to the 23s. They rode like jackhammers though. I'm pretty sure that my 700x25 bike is faster than my 650x42 bike on everything but the descents. The 650x42 bike is faster on the descents, hands down.

Sorry I couldn't actually give you an answer.

Tue, 11/21/2017 - 22:44
NOVELTYNAME
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Dude cmon
Bb drop will be 65 if 38s, 72 if 28s

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Tue, 11/21/2017 - 22:47
Endpoint
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Right... so why bother jacking around going north of 7cm?

Also... who even makes a 650x38 tire besides Compass and Soma? You can still get a 700x35 into a 41cm stay bike so run that for long fast stuff and have a bike that also rips corners with some 25mm jawns from some company using the latest rubber compound tech.

Tue, 11/21/2017 - 22:55
Gary Fissure

y'alls are talking about 23s and 25s and Mig SPECIFICALLY asked about 28s!

Wed, 11/22/2017 - 06:45
Perlhammered
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(Reply to #1072)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Dude cmon
Bb drop will be 65 if 38s, 72 if 28s

BB drop shouldn't change at all, BB height will, though.

Wed, 11/22/2017 - 09:03
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #1073)

Endpoint wrote:

Also... who even makes a 650x38 tire besides Compass and Soma?

Pacenti/panaracer

Bikes have been designed around less tire selections

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Wed, 11/22/2017 - 10:09
Endpoint
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True. I made a mistake like that.

Still... 650x38 just seems like a compromise you don’t need to make.

Wed, 11/22/2017 - 21:41
sparksflyhigh
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The pari-moto and compass 38 are both very nice tires. I like the idea of a fast road bike with those tires, like this bishop: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bishopbikes/23030956003

However, if you're strictly talking about a paved road bike for actual races, I don't think you gain much by going from a fast 700x28 such as Schwalbe one or gp4000sii to the fast 650x38. The 650b is also pretty limiting w/ regards to rims unless you want to use dicks. Much easier to build up a rim brake 700c road bike

Wed, 11/22/2017 - 21:43
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #1076)

sparksflyhigh wrote:
The pari-moto and compass 38 are both very nice tires. I like the idea of a fast road bike with those tires, like this bishop: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bishopbikes/23030956003

Yeah, I've decided that this is what I really want my road bike to be. I'm seriously considering building up this carbon Trek frame I have with some 650b rims.

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Wed, 11/22/2017 - 21:53
newellbt
(Reply to #1077)

Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
sparksflyhigh wrote:
The pari-moto and compass 38 are both very nice tires. I like the idea of a fast road bike with those tires, like this bishop: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bishopbikes/23030956003

Yeah, I've decided that this is what I really want my road bike to be. I'm seriously considering building up this carbon Trek frame I have with some 650b rims.

https://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/650bx38-road-bike-48640.html

Wed, 11/22/2017 - 21:57
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Yeah, basically what he describes, except that mine will be Rivendell-ish, with long-reach calipers. With a wheel swap, there are a lot of road bikes on the market now which could possibly fit his requirements.

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Wed, 11/22/2017 - 22:09
crowding
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Who, besides PVD, has ridden a drop bar bike with a fashionably long front center?

all my bikes are between 650-675 and I'm feeling like I could go longer

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 04:25
NOVELTYNAME
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What was the best team paint of the lugged racing bike era?

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Thu, 11/30/2017 - 17:28
chazzwazzer
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Mapei, yeah?

Bars down, levers up, that's the way tarck likes to 'sup...

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 17:42
Gary Fissure

7-11 duh

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 21:09
bward1028

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 22:08
bward1028

i always liked the all black and white bikes they used to ride.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 22:11
Endpoint
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(Reply to #1085)

crowding wrote:
Who, besides PVD, has ridden a drop bar bike with a fashionably long front center?

all my bikes are between 650-675 and I'm feeling like I could go longer

I need to measure my monstercx FTW but it’s pretty darn long.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 22:12
sparksflyhigh
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(Reply to #1086)

crowding wrote:
Who, besides PVD, has ridden a drop bar bike with a fashionably long front center?

all my bikes are between 650-675 and I'm feeling like I could go longer

My next lotrail bike is going from about 635 to 650 front center. I think pvd has a warped sense of road bike handling and am sure that his extra long hybrid bike steers like a truck on pavement. His point was to show that you could make a drop bar bike that does well on technical single track as well as road, but really it's just one of his hardtails that he sometimes rides with a chinacarbon fork and maxxis refuse tires, then puts on a susp fork and complains about how the narrow drop bars are the worst part of the bike, while they also are the whole point of the bike.

I see little point in building a bike with the intention of swapping between rigid and squishy fork. You're going to get the worst of both worlds. This idea has been tossed around forums since time immemorial. The drop bars will suck on trails and the tires that work well on trails are going to suck on the road. Also I don't think there's much to be gained by treading into pvd's high 700s mm f-c ground on a road centric bike. The descents just aren't rough or steep enough to justify it, and you end up with a Cadillac. I'm going to try to apply some forward geo principles to my new lotrail bike, like a slightly longer front center and dropper post. I'll see if that amount of front center adds more benefit than it costs.

Fri, 12/01/2017 - 02:00
NOVELTYNAME
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.

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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 14:31
NOVELTYNAME
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Di2 question
1. What are the options for a internal battery charging situation? Can I just drill and mount a something to plug a usb into?
2. Are there any Di2 friendly dropper posts?

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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 14:32
dotMR
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I know nothing about Di2.

...but (can't find it now) I saw a blurb about an internal circuit to charge Di2 battery from dyno hub, which sounds A+

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 14:41
JUGE FREDD
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you charge it through the junction mount dude

and there's now a barend plug version that works on some fancy handlebars

you don't plug anything into the battery, that's hidden inside and just part of the normal wiring

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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 14:42
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #1091)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
you charge it through the junction mount dude

and there's now a barend plug version that works on some fancy handlebars

you don't plug anything into the battery, that's hidden inside and just part of the normal wiring

AH, maybe what the 3rd port on the front is for?

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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 14:54
newellbt
(Reply to #1092)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Di2 question
1. What are the options for a internal battery charging situation? Can I just drill and mount a something to plug a usb into?
2. Are there any Di2 friendly dropper posts?

the "A junction" in the Di2 system has a port for charging the internal battery:

the standard under-stem junction:

150x

has a charge port on the NDS side:

the Di2 charger plug looks like this:

200x

the new bar-end junction also has the charging port:

200x

I'm not aware of any droppers that are specifically Di2 friendly. The internal battery can be dropped into the seat tube rather than stuffing into the seatpost however.

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 15:01
drwelby
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Or how about putting the junction in the bottom of a tapered steerer?

Naturally, this bike is partially tarck's fault.

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 15:16
Andrew_Squirrel
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lol

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 15:21
NOVELTYNAME
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Can the battery be charged during operation? (Can I charge while riding?)

These are all DQs and hard to learn without hands on.

Thank you for the photos, helps.

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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 16:02
ThurberMingus
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AFAIK you can’t charge while riding with an off the shelf setup. I’m sure there’s some workarounds though.

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 17:20
newellbt
(Reply to #1097)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Can the battery be charged during operation? (Can I charge while riding?)

Like, can you just plug the Di2 charger into your dynamo or a USB brick and ride while charging? Not exactly. Someone** did make a whole wiring harness to convert the power supply to be compatible with Di2 charging but it was cumbersome, complicated and conspicuous.

The reality is that a charge takes 1.5 hours via wall socket then lasts for 1000-1,500 miles. You can probably stop at an outlet and spare two hours within 1,200 miles.

** http://www.chapmancycles.com/2012/02/the-oregon-manifest-bike/
** http://www.chapmancycles.com/2017/03/dynamo-powered-di2-light-touring-bike-v2-0/

possible future self charging tech: https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/article/shimano-dynamo-charge-di2-51334/

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 17:33
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #1098)

newellbt wrote:
possible future self charging tech: https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/article/shimano-dynamo-charge-di2-51334/

That's pretty cool

Quote:
With all of that said, it’s worth bearing in mind that the needs and wants of the peloton still has a huge influence on tech in the industry — racers are a bunch who are very unlikely to want to embrace anything that will introduce drag to their drivetrain and with a bus full of mechanics to look after their bikes, they don’t need to worry about remembering to charge Di2 batteries

smiley

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 18:07
NOVELTYNAME
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I will need the following:
Shifters
Wires
Junction A
Wires
Junction B
Battery
Pusherdangler

Is this somewhat correct?

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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 20:48
JUGE FREDD
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you gotta figure out the specific wire lengths you need for all the different connections

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Wed, 01/24/2018 - 22:11

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