Miguel's fat-tired fopmobile

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johnasavoia
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I'm genuinely excited at the prospect of mig buying one of these chinacarbon hardtails. I've wanted to make one a all roads mtb/commuter monstertruck but can never justify it. Hoping you do the research and I can glean from what you end up deciding.

Sat, 09/09/2017 - 15:32
heavymetal
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(Reply to #1002)

eric_ssucks wrote:
Nothing but you might want to discuss your snowflake needs with your framebuilder rather than tarck if you don't want gentle ribbing. I'm sure you'll end up with a lovely bicycle.

Sick artisanal burn.

Sun, 09/10/2017 - 03:49
NOVELTYNAME
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Plz update brazen plz

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Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:19
NOVELTYNAME
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Hey Braden still want update on that frame

Question 2:
Is there an off the rack 29/27.5+ HT for like a 120mm squish fork?

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Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:01
oogens
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(Reply to #1005)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Hey Braden still want update on that frame

Question 2:
Is there an off the rack 29/27.5+ HT for like a 120mm squish fork?

Pretty sure every company has a 120mm 29er at this point. what's the goal of this bike, 5" or 5' drops?

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:09
NOVELTYNAME
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No, 29 AND 27.5+

10" drops

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Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:13
Sneaky Viking
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SC Chameleon
Karate Monkey

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:29
drwelby
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Niner SIR9

steelisreal
pukeback ready

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:42
oogens
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(Reply to #1009)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
No, 29 AND 27.5+

10" drops

I thought half the appeal of 27.5+ was that it fits in 29er frames. just get a boost fork

but really, a 29er with 2.4" tire will give you all of it. I'm also not a fan of + and fat tires tho. Too finicky to get right, feels like a blown damper the rest of the time.

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 14:51
NOVELTYNAME
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I'm interested to hear that. I've got a sweet set of wheels and 80% of a decent/ok mtb build. What is holding me back is the weight of these things. The steel el mar I have is a chunky pig and I want something that weighs like 18-20lbs total

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Fri, 09/22/2017 - 15:51
Sneaky Viking
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Do you think you're going to get a mountain bike with a boingy fork to 18 lbs, even with mystery sw8 wheels?

For reference, a SCOTT SCALE RC 900 SL is $8500 and weighs 19.18 lbs (probably a medium) with carbon DT rims. 849g frame.

I can't tell when you're being serious ITT or absurd.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 21:08
oogens
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Sub 20 pound bike when the tires are like 3.5 lbs each...

Another reason to not go plus.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 01:20
NOVELTYNAME
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Jfc serious?
What's a "normal-lite" mtb weigh?
Wheels are ck to wtb ?? Lightish rims. I've got an xt 1x11, whatever SS crank, cockpit, and small bits.
I'm short frame/fork/dropper/brakes/tires
I'd like to know which chinacarbon frame Braden was talking about. I've been lurking chinertown.com and they seem to like 3 HT frames of various weights (256/57/41)

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 01:32
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #1014)

oogens wrote:
Sub 20 pound bike when the tires are like 3.5 lbs each...

Another reason to not go plus.

oh no that's not plus at all

it's got these 645g tires that are Maxxis' equivalent of Thunder Burts: http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-280-aspen

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 03:58
motorbacon
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Expect whatever you build to be around the 25-26 lb range if crabon pokes.

Coworker had a Scale 900 RC and that was high 19/low 20 with Enve wheels and carbon ATACs. His Spark RC is 21.

Another friend had a Look 986 hardtail, 26", and that was 17 lbs with Stans Ravens, Olympic hoops to AC hubs and 1x10 using Sram XX.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 04:27
Face
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You don't build a MTB to be light, that's dumb. You build it to ride nice, and if in your quest for parts you find some that are lighter than others and still provide good ride characteristics, bonus.

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 12:21
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #1017)

Face wrote:
You don't build a MTB to be light, that's dumb. You build it to ride nice,

Ok, I want to ride up a hill nice

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 16:30
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #1018)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Face wrote:
You don't build a MTB to be light, that's dumb. You build it to ride nice,

Ok, I want to ride up a hill nice

How much do you weigh? What percentage of your total body weight is a 5lb savings? What do you think will affect your ability to ride up a hill more: your fat ass or a bike that weighs 5lbs more than another?

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 17:10
NOVELTYNAME
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smiley
Bruh
Cmon

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 17:40
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #1020)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
smiley
Bruh
Cmon

That's what I'm saying. Just buy something with a hard tail and 29er wheels and ride it.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 18:13
Face
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Take a huge dump before riding up hill. Or ride up hills more.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 18:44
aerobear
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@mig
http://www.velonews.com/2014/08/news/bike-weight-myth-fast-bikes_339880

18lb mtb with a squishy fork is laughable. it'd take weight weenie everything.

my carbon full squish weighs 30lbs.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 18:47
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #1023)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Face wrote:
You don't build a MTB to be light, that's dumb. You build it to ride nice,

Ok, I want to ride up a hill nice

Riding up a hill is bullshit

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 19:10
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #1024)

akasnowmaaan wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Face wrote:
You don't build a MTB to be light, that's dumb. You build it to ride nice,

Ok, I want to ride up a hill nice

Riding up a hill is bullshit

Ahhhhhh, may I interest you in this new fangled thing called an e-mtb, or moped? All the shred, less of the sweat.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 19:17
Sneaky Viking
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(Reply to #1025)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Jfc serious?
What's a "normal-lite" mtb weigh?
Wheels are ck to wtb ?? Lightish rims. I've got an xt 1x11, whatever SS crank, cockpit, and small bits.
I'm short frame/fork/dropper/brakes/tires
I'd like to know which chinacarbon frame Braden was talking about. I've been lurking chinertown.com and they seem to like 3 HT frames of various weights (256/57/41)

Hubs are boost?

29/27.5+ gets confusing when you start talking real world tire sizes and boost/non-boost frames, modern width rims. If you really want to get into below average weights, you have to get into carbon rims and probably bars. Dropper might be out if weenie-ism is the goal. You have to do shit like use foam grips and skimp on sealant.

There's nothing wrong with using the nice wheelset you have. Is it 29 or 27.5? What's the hub spacing? What's the rim width?

XC races can be won on 27.5 or 29, it's not hugely important. But you shouldn't throw a 2.8 tire on an i19 or something, even though the rim weighs less than wider options. Just build the right bike for what you have, and choose the lighter of the available options in your budget.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 20:08
NOVELTYNAME
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Not boost.

I23 or 25? wth koms
Ck classics, so they could be TA whatevers

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 20:53
motorbacon
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(Reply to #1027)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Not boost.

I23 or 25? wth koms
Ck classics, so they could be TA whatevers

Classics? Aren't those rim brake only? Do you mean ISO? If so, not boost friendly.

Biggest thing to look at for climbing is tire design and weight. There are 29x2.4 tires that weigh 760 grams and some that weigh 1300 grams.

Hardtail with Stepcast Fox 32, 1xwhatever and carbon cranks will put you at 23-24 lbs and will suck to descend with if you enjoy riding bikes.

Get a carbon cx rig, throw on a Lefty Oliver fork and 1x

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 21:47
JUGE FREDD
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it's a good thing Michael doesn't want to actually mountain bike

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 21:59
NOVELTYNAME
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It's true

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 22:50
aerobear
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just buy this and call it good, mig.

http://www.cannondale.com/en/USA/Bike/ProductDetail?Id=ab8c2671-4077-487a-b29b-9fbb72fe20e6&parentid=undefined

add some artisanal accouterments and call it good. i bet those come in around 20-22lbs.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 09/23/2017 - 23:08
NOVELTYNAME
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Amy that cannondale looks like an of-the-moment mtb: 70/73, 430mm cs, ~6cm bb drop but only 100mm fork.

Is that about right?

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Sat, 09/23/2017 - 23:29
JUGE FREDD
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dude no

70° HTA and reach in the low 40s is an of-the-moment road bike

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Sun, 09/24/2017 - 01:22
aerobear
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(Reply to #1033)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
dude no

70° HTA and reach in the low 40s is an of-the-moment road bike

Seemed like more of a road bike is what mig is wanting.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 09/24/2017 - 11:49
aerobear
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(Reply to #1034)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Amy that cannondale looks like an of-the-moment mtb: 70/73, 430mm cs, ~6cm bb drop but only 100mm fork.

Is that about right?

I have no idea what is an in the moment xc bike. That's a light twitchy race bike that probably climbs like a road bike.

I prefer in the in the moment trail geometry of 66 deg HT and longer reach.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 09/24/2017 - 11:52
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #1035)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Amy that cannondale looks like an of-the-moment mtb: 70/73, 430mm cs, ~6cm bb drop but only 100mm fork.

Is that about right?

JUGE FREDD wrote:
dude no

70° HTA and reach in the low 40s is an of-the-moment road bike

Isn't this what I wrote?
70ht/73st?

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Sun, 09/24/2017 - 13:37
liquify
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I think you are the only one who knows what you mean by 'of-the-moment mtb.'

I would think that means the trend toward long reach, steep STA and slack HTA. This seems like a pretty traditional xc racer, which also is close to your demands.

Sun, 09/24/2017 - 13:49
oogens
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ie: no fun, another disc road bike?

Sun, 09/24/2017 - 14:35
jawn doe
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(Reply to #1038)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Amy that cannondale looks like an of-the-moment mtb: 70/73, 430mm cs, ~6cm bb drop but only 100mm fork.

Is that about right?

JUGE FREDD wrote:
dude no

70° HTA and reach in the low 40s is an of-the-moment road bike

Isn't this what I wrote?
70ht/73st?

fred wrote "of the moment road bike

Sun, 09/24/2017 - 15:18
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #1039)

liquify wrote:
I think you are the only one who knows what you mean by 'of-the-moment mtb.'

I would think that means the trend toward long reach, steep STA and slack HTA. This seems like a pretty traditional xc racer, which also is close to your demands.

1. Geometry trends change a lot

2. I think you're right. I'm really close to getting this chinacarbon frame but I'm dithering

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Sun, 09/24/2017 - 16:50

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