Miguel's fat-tired fopmobile

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ShartAttack
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Bolts on the caliper tight enough? Caliper aligned? Rotor warped? Otherwise idk

I like drop bars but somehow I keep believing that a balloon-tire flat-bar townie monster with all the modern gizmos is what I really want. My pugsley is like 50% there, but the new 650b tire options and builds like this are getting my gears turning...

Though if I got an endpoint it would have to be dropbar right?

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Thu, 06/29/2017 - 00:15
NOVELTYNAME
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Not necessarily
I do what I want

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Thu, 06/29/2017 - 01:32
johnasavoia
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If I got an endpoint/NFE/RAVN/ETC it would be flat bar or swoopy alt bar no doubt. Fukka drop bar I'm fat, don't know how you do it shart.

Thu, 06/29/2017 - 09:01
NOVELTYNAME
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tc: its why i have a flat bar too

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Thu, 06/29/2017 - 14:32
NOVELTYNAME
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ok, new topic
700x25 rim brake bike
not historical reenactment but i will be using the olde chris king classic wheels because i want that 11-34 hg800 cassette.
get me into featherweight and durable shit
i need:
crankset with 24mm spindle
rim brakes - more clearance the better

i will probably use whatever the dangler is that shimano suggests and accompanying pusher and shifty bits

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Thu, 06/29/2017 - 14:36
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #906)

johnasavoia wrote:
If I got an endpoint/NFE/RAVN/ETC it would be flat bar or swoopy alt bar no doubt. Fukka drop bar I'm fat, don't know how you do it shart.

TC I'm basically a descend-in-the-drops guy. I'm not so much for getting low and hammering it, but as a man of substance I do like to tuck in for cannonball mode when going down a hill. If there's a really stiff headwind I might get in the drops.

What I'd really like to try is a drop bar that's got a classic curve but comes in ~50-52cm at the hoods. 46cm Noodle is giving me all of it on my LHT but does feel sketchier on loose surfaces than a flat bar. otoh I don't want something stupid like that Crust bar. There has to be a middle way!

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Thu, 06/29/2017 - 14:50
johnasavoia
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I can and do get into a sagan-esque tuck on some downhills with cruisers. TBH the only thing I don't like about swept bars is cable routing around front bags/baskets. v-brake noodles out of levers/shifters helps some, maybe I'll try some nokon or whatever that super bendy housing is.

Thu, 06/29/2017 - 17:58
NOVELTYNAME
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oh shit
good news for me
bad news for the haters
all i've got to do is order some hylex and ill pop some BEShifters onto the kelly takeoffs rusting away in my parts bin
awesome

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Thu, 06/29/2017 - 19:41
emor
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I was too fat to ride in the drops until I doubled my stem length and slammed the saddle back. That helped a lot.

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Tue, 07/04/2017 - 21:32
NOVELTYNAME
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How in the actual do you mount those wtb tires

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Wed, 07/05/2017 - 00:50
Wintage Townie
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With your hands? You're literally the first person I've ever heard of have any problem with these at all.

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Wed, 07/05/2017 - 03:02
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Yeah, mine are on Stans rims and I didn't need levers. They're snug, but not tight.

Wed, 07/05/2017 - 07:25
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #913)

Wintage Townie wrote:
With your hands? You're literally the first person I've ever heard of have any problem with these at all.

i know, it's amazing. i've changed more flats than i can count.

there was one time my friend had a conti tire and a mavic?matrix? rim and it was this difficult

so, ill explain in detail:
wtb freq i25
2 wraps of stans tape
wtb horizon

i got 1 side mounted and the bead is sitting in the center channel. when i try to move the 2nd bead over the rim there is about ~6" that a just cannot get over the edge. i bent a pedros lever white.

the other wheel is a wtb KOM i25 and it was difficult but snapped into place after i broke a sweat.

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Wed, 07/05/2017 - 12:07
Face
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You don't need 2 wraps of tape on a TR rim.
Try diluted dish soap to help the tire over the rim.

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Wed, 07/05/2017 - 12:16
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #915)

Face wrote:
You don't need 2 wraps of tape on a TR rim.

If you're planning to use road-ish pressures it's a good idea

especially if you need to drop a tube in it, the pressure from that can split a single layer of tape

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Wed, 07/05/2017 - 12:42
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #916)

Face wrote:
Try diluted dish soap to help the tire over the rim.

diluted soap on the inside of the tire bead and on the rim?

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Wed, 07/05/2017 - 12:49
mdilthey
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Yes, or windex

26/M/41t N/W

Wed, 07/05/2017 - 16:37
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #918)

mdilthey wrote:
Yes, or windex

So is anyone carrying windex or soap sachets on the trail? Some rim tire combos are so bad you are asking for it if you ever manage to even get the tire on in the garage in the first place. I have this problem with Stans crest and Conti Race King. I struggled to even un-bead one the other day. LBS owner said he sometimes puts the tire in a vice to snap it back to the middle ! I'd never heard of that before.

Wed, 07/05/2017 - 17:02
mdilthey
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1. There's a trick you can do with your hands. If the bead won't go on the rim at 12:00, put your hands at 6:00 on the opposite side and start "stretching" the tire with both hands. Go all the way around the tire until your hands meet in the middle at 12:00 and you should have another millimeter or two of tire there to get the bead over the rim.

2. You can use multiple tire levers spaced ~1 inch apart to get a stubborn bead over the edge. I carry three.

3. If you're on the trail, survival instincts and adrenaline will get you the extra force you need to get rolling again.

26/M/41t N/W

Wed, 07/05/2017 - 17:20
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #920)

mdilthey wrote:
1. There's a trick you can do with your hands. If the bead won't go on the rim at 12:00, put your hands at 6:00 on the opposite side and start "stretching" the tire with both hands. Go all the way around the tire until your hands meet in the middle at 12:00 and you should have another millimeter or two of tire there to get the bead over the rim.

2. You can use multiple tire levers spaced ~1 inch apart to get a stubborn bead over the edge. I carry three.

3. If you're on the trail, survival instincts and adrenaline will get you the extra force you need to get rolling again.

I also carry three, alloy. Scratched rims is my least worry.

Wed, 07/05/2017 - 17:33
Face
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(Reply to #921)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Face wrote:
Try diluted dish soap to help the tire over the rim.

diluted soap on the inside of the tire bead and on the rim?

Put the slippery stuff where there's excessive friction.

JUGE FREDD wrote:
Face wrote:
You don't need 2 wraps of tape on a TR rim.

If you're planning to use road-ish pressures it's a good idea

especially if you need to drop a tube in it, the pressure from that can split a single layer of tape

Good to know, thanks.

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Thu, 07/06/2017 - 11:13
NOVELTYNAME
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can we talk about tape and valve interface? i have stans valves. I wouldnt say that the tape is split very far but it is split down the rim at least 2-4mm from the valve when it's tightened. now, i dont have the tire even mounted yet but i want to know if this is going to be an issue

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Thu, 07/06/2017 - 11:58
lukasz
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You probably shouldn't be seeing split tape. Make the hole small and poke the valve through.

Thu, 07/06/2017 - 18:11
Andrew_Squirrel
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I usually take a nail in some pliers and heat it up then melt a hole slightly smaller than the valve stem. I insert the stem and use it to do the final stretching.

Thu, 07/06/2017 - 18:57
liquify
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^solid advice. I haven't been heating anything up lately and it's been fine.

Thu, 07/06/2017 - 21:28
mdilthey
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(Reply to #926)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I usually take a nail in some pliers and heat it up then melt a hole slightly smaller than the valve stem. I insert the stem and use it to do the final stretching.

Shop does this

My personal strategy is to poke a much-too-small hole and then slowly and carefully push the valve in, stretching the hole out so that it fits flush with the rubber base. God, what a sentence.

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 07/06/2017 - 22:36
cheese
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There are whole subreddits for that.

Fri, 07/07/2017 - 00:26
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #928)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
can we talk about tape and valve interface? i have stans valves. I wouldnt say that the tape is split very far but it is split down the rim at least 2-4mm from the valve when it's tightened. now, i dont have the tire even mounted yet but i want to know if this is going to be an issue

It will.
I use a hot, sharpened spoke to poke/melt the hole.

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Fri, 07/07/2017 - 10:58
NOVELTYNAME
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Will an 11-42 work on a double? Shimano says no

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Fri, 07/14/2017 - 12:50
kmcdon
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I don't see why not? I have a 11-36 - 52x39 collabo and it's not even close to unhappy. Long cage derangler.

Fri, 07/14/2017 - 12:59
drwelby
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Roadlink

Fri, 07/14/2017 - 13:55
motorbacon
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(Reply to #932)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Will an 11-42 work on a double? Shimano says no

Tan Pan and mtb dangler. Works just fine.

Fri, 07/14/2017 - 14:18
kmcdon
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(Reply to #933)

If you're running a 10 speed drivetrain, you can use a 9 speed MTB dangler and it's also fine.

Fri, 07/14/2017 - 14:34
lukasz
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Depends on what the other bits are. I don't think a 42 would work on my 11 speed shimano drivetrain. The 36 works but it gets weird in that gear. B-screw just barely does the job. And I only have a 46-33 up front.

Fri, 07/14/2017 - 16:18
NOVELTYNAME
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I got 11-40, thanks for the input dudes

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Fri, 07/14/2017 - 17:06
NOVELTYNAME
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Are there any droppers with road amounts of setback?

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Fri, 07/14/2017 - 21:22
Wintage Townie
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Is this where we tell you again to buy the Open?

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Fri, 07/14/2017 - 23:24
NOVELTYNAME
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No it's where you can grovel for asking about 28h 650b rims months after you chided me for asking about them

smiley

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Fri, 07/14/2017 - 23:51
Wintage Townie
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NOVELTYNAME wrote:
No it's where you can grovel for asking about 28h 650b rims months after you chided me for asking about them

smiley

What on earth does that mean?

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Fri, 07/14/2017 - 23:52
NOVELTYNAME
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I'm looking for the post, I think it's in the dq thread mess
Me:"tell me about 28h 650b rims"
Tarck (pretty sure it was you): "why the f forget it you don't need that you need this wtb makes the whatever's the only 28h is the garbage hed garbage blah de blah

You last week: "tell me about 28h 650b rims"
Crickets

If not you then sorry
Someone will atone some day

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Sat, 07/15/2017 - 00:01
Wintage Townie
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Sorry mig, but that definitely was not me. I recommend cheap Chinese carbon to people all the time. WTB does make a slick tubeless ready carbon rim, and I may have suggested it, if you were considering 32 as an option. As for me, I am trying to source some rims for a friend who got a free SP hub with 28 holes, and I am building them up for him.

Anyway, the Open is designed around a 0° setback post specifically so one can run a dropper without compromising their position.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 07/15/2017 - 00:22
NOVELTYNAME
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I think there's a couple DT 28h 27.5 rims but they're heavy iirc.

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Sat, 07/15/2017 - 00:29
Wintage Townie
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Yeah, I wanted to go with sub-$250 carbon rims, but I'll probably just end up ordering him some Velocitys.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 07/15/2017 - 00:30
NOVELTYNAME
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Nexties are only $170 ea and there are coupons online tho

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Sat, 07/15/2017 - 00:49
Wintage Townie
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Oh sick. Thanks.

Also, just get the fucking Open.

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when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 07/15/2017 - 01:07
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #946)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Anyway, the Open is designed around a 0° setback post specifically so one can run a dropper without compromising their position.

that's really just for weight savings, and just using a 72.5° STA isn't very much design

there's no routing at all and I've never seen one built with a 100mm 27.2 dropper, but at least it uses a round post unlike the others in its category

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Mon, 07/17/2017 - 16:39
jdsmooth
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(Reply to #947)

KS dropzone has a 20mm offset

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Mon, 07/17/2017 - 16:53
Rentable Faxmachine
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I've got an Open ONE+ demo coming next week. Sadly it will be derperless.

Mon, 07/17/2017 - 17:27
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #949)

jdsmooth wrote:
KS dropzone has a 20mm offset

I will look this up

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Mon, 07/17/2017 - 17:33

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