TRP Spyres

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Fergie
TRP Spyres

I hate to admit that I actually like disc brakes, but the TRP Spyres changed my mind.

After some initial frustration getting them set up right—I like my brakes relatively “stiff”—they have performed admirably. They are simple to adjust, and they do not squeal even when wet. They offer at least equivalent braking performance to BB7s; in fact, on average they offer better braking performance because they don’t continuously go out of adjustment. Modulation was initially terrible, but after about 30 or 40 miles of break in, the performance is acceptable and I can feather them in a paceline without causing issues in the rare cases that I have to actively brake instead of just soft pedaling or sitting up a little.

One word of advice: Toss the rotors they come with, or at least hold them in reserve for an emergency, and buy some Shimano Ice Tech rotors. The braking performance is improved considerably and there is little to no squeal. With the Ice Tech rotors, the braking performance is maybe even a little better than well-adjusted rim brakes.

The best part? The only adjustments they require is an occasional tweak to make up for pad wear. A matter of a few seconds. This is a big contrast vs BB7s, which I fucked around with constantly.

They do seem to eat pads vs BB7s with stock rotors, but I've also been riding in the rain a lot on monster hills/mountains with steep technical descents.

I still think disc brakes are stupid on road bikes, but the TRP Spyres are pretty damn good if you need mechanical disc brakes for a special application. There is absolutely no question that they are vastly superior to BB7s.

The whole review is here: http://ridingthecatskills.com/2013/08/09/a-review-of-trp-spyre-disc-brakes/

Sat, 08/10/2013 - 00:47
ryker
Fri, 12/06/2013 - 19:25
Blakey
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Dub tee eff?!

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 19:47
Sneaky Viking
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Uggh, I gotta set up dick brakes again??!

ckd wrote:
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Fri, 12/06/2013 - 20:30
JUGE FREDD
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goddamn it I was just gonna buy a pair to replace my recalled Shimano CX-75s

why the fuck do road dicks have to be such a cavalcade of incompetence

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– akasnowmaaan

Sat, 12/07/2013 - 00:49
halbritt
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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 11:11
johnnyraja
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(Reply to #6)

match avatar wrote:
goddamn it I was just gonna buy a pair to replace my recalled Shimano CX-75s

why the fuck do road dicks have to be such a cavalcade of incompetence

It's not like mtb dick brakes didn't spend just as long in shitbox development purgatory. And most of those are still pretty shitty.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

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Sat, 12/07/2013 - 18:05
ryker

http://www.trpbrakes.com/news_detail.php?nid=140

Better info. Sounds like you not gonna die if you use the pad adjuster instead of a barrel adjuster?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 00:51
JUGE FREDD
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the funniest thing is that they'd only shipped 2000 bikes worth of brakes

fucking road dicks, what a mickey mouse market

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 18:39
NOVELTYNAME
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:(

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 19:15
Blakey
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FYI:

Quote:
Thank you so much for your email and we apologize for any inconvenience you may experience during this process. We are currently awaiting arrival of the revised calipers from the factory and expect them in 2-3 weeks. We will issue you an RA# and email you a return shipping label to send us your recalled product. You can choose to ship your brakes back to us right away, in which case we would send out your replacements as soon as they arrive from the factory, or you can wait until the revised calipers arrive from the factory. We will issue another update as soon as we have them. If you choose the second option you can email us your tracking number, once your package has shipped, and as soon as we verify that it has been shipped, we will send out your replacements.

For our International customers who have purchased directly from us, we will gladly facilitate your recall claim. For our customers who have purchased from a dealer or retailer outside of the US, please contact our nearest distributor to you. A full list of our international distributors can be found on the Contact page of our website.

Your replacement package will include a new caliper as well as a new set of compression-less cable housing and brake cable. Please hold on to your rotors, adapters and all mounting hardware.

In order for us to issue you an RA# we will need the following information:

Name
Shipping address
E-mail
Phone number
Model of Spyre (Spyre or Spyre SLC)
Quantity of calipers being returned

Please also include this information inside your return package and please clearly write the RA# on the outside of the box to help make the return and exchange process as quick and easy as possible.

I have also attached a copy of the recall notice for your reference.

Please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns. We are striving to make this process as easy for you as possible. We greatly appreciate your business.

Thanks!
Bryce Olsen

Customer Service and Warranty Rep
TRP Brakes/Tektro USA
688 West Amidan Dr.
Bldg 4X Bay 1
Ogden, UT 84403
Phone: 801-648-7079 EXT 703
Fax: 801-648-7086

gonna get mine RMAd somehow.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 20:51
JUGE FREDD
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eh I'd hold onto them until they start shipping the replacements and someone gets to try them out

the cure may be worse than the disease

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 23:01
CheshireCat
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mother of god. I *JUST* got these and haven't even put them on the biek (which isn't here) yet.

-is a cat
-is a REAL doctor!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 00:58
Blakey
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(Reply to #13)

match avatar wrote:
eh I'd hold onto them until they start shipping the replacements and someone gets to try them out

the cure may be worse than the disease

yeah, given my antipodean location, I'm not rushing this. They currently work.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 01:16
CheshireCat
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I knew I should have stuck with miniV brakes...

*rams head into table*

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-is a REAL doctor!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 01:22
NOVELTYNAME
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yep. new spyres sitting in a box i just received.

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Thu, 12/12/2013 - 11:32
Larry Winget
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Fri, 12/13/2013 - 19:26
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #17)

So yeah...

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Fri, 12/13/2013 - 20:22
lofarkas
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(Reply to #18)

sram wrote:
As a result of this new finding, SRAM requests that anyone who has a bike equipped with SRAM Hydraulic Disc or Hydraulic Rim Brakes stop using the bike immediately. All products shipped to date, and currently in the market or in inventory will be recalled.

They are recalling every hydraulic brake they ever made?

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 09:18
Wintage Townie
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Every single road disc, yes.

The actual problem with the Spyres is sort of hypothetical. It hasn't even happened yet, it's just that some engineer bought a pair, looked at it, and contacted them with his concern. If you set your brakes up properly, there's basically 0 chance that you'll actually get this to fail. Since there is currently no replacement, I'd just install and ride what you have until TRP is actually shipping an alternative. Or get some BB7s, which is basically the only SRAM product I don't loathe (probably because it was designed pre-SRAM).

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Sat, 12/14/2013 - 10:17
Fergie

Fuckers. Are there issues with the HY/RD as well. I beat the shit out of mine coming down mountainsides at high speeds

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 21:23
Endpoint
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(Reply to #21)

bonechilling wrote:
Every single road disc, yes.

The actual problem with the Spyres is sort of hypothetical. It hasn't even happened yet, it's just that some engineer bought a pair, looked at it, and contacted them with his concern. If you set your brakes up properly, there's basically 0 chance that you'll actually get this to fail. Since there is currently no replacement, I'd just install and ride what you have until TRP is actually shipping an alternative. Or get some BB7s, which is basically the only SRAM product I don't loathe (probably because it was designed pre-SRAM).

This. We have been beating the shit out of almost a dozen pairs between Endpoint bikes, personal rigs, and shop bros. No problems. I'm not sending back shit until they have stock ready to ship back.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 21:44
Wintage Townie
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Yeah, just set your brakes up so that brake arm doesn't lift all the way up (fucking DUH!), and you'll never see a bearing come loose. I wish I could get some of the recall ones and just ride the fuck out of them, because there's no way it'll ever happen IRL.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 12/14/2013 - 23:39
VT regularbike
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Yeah if you're using a barrel adjuster on a cable actuated disc brake you're doing it so so so wrong anyway. Why do they even include those?

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Sun, 12/15/2013 - 01:16
Endpoint
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Talked to TRP bros today. They are actually really chill. The whole issue was replicated only with the pads removed so the chances of it happening IRL is slim. Told them I was only going to send a few back until I had replacements for my demo bikes and customers and they said no worries. Also probably getting us a couple sets of their new 4 piston trail brakes to demo. OE account in the works for Endpoint as well. Chill company is chill.

Wed, 12/18/2013 - 19:05
NOVELTYNAME
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nice

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Wed, 12/18/2013 - 19:28
Wintage Townie
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That's what I'm saying. The story I heard (secondhand from the guy at the shop who talked to TRP) was that some engineer dork bought a pair, and in the course of his over-analyzing things, realized that they had a mode of failure, even though it's basically a theoretical failure.

I think that this is the precedent setting case on this sort of ambulance-chaser bullshit. I remember is from working in IT at the time.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 01:11
CheshireCat
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got them. They braked terribly. Not even able to lock up the rear wheel at slow speeds which my mini V's can do.

rode them down the block and back...getting better. If I jam on them the rear will lock up a teeny bit. The modulation is great, but the power isn't there yet with the break in.

My wheelset is coming in tomorrow so I can stop using my MTB wheelset and throw the shimano ice tech rotors onto it.

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-is a REAL doctor!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 22:32
VT regularbike
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Did you burn in the pads properly?

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:01
JUGE FREDD
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sounds like he at least mixed pads on the same rotors

dick calipers do not brake against the steel rotor itself

the pad is generating friction against a film of pad material deposited on the rotor

sometimes you can yolo, but there are a lot of cross-contaminations that just don't work at all

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 23:59
Endpoint
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(Reply to #30)

match avatar wrote:
sounds like he at least mixed pads on the same rotors

dick calipers do not brake against the steel rotor itself

the pad is generating friction against a film of pad material deposited on the rotor

sometimes you can yolo, but there are a lot of cross-contaminations that just don't work at all

This.

Also re: icetech. Unless you are in really hilly areas and overheating is an actual issue, this is a waste with road disc atmo. Have had zero issues with stock rotors after properly burning in.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 19:52
JUGE FREDD
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LOL the main bonus is getting people to stop using terrible gobbling pad-eating Clean Sweeps

The burliness from the large spider makes them way harder to knock out of true. some people hate on the idea of lateral stiffness when you have to flex it into a fixed pad, but I've liked it.

It only takes a few big pulls to get them hot enough to feel different at the lever. A 3-5k foot dirt road descent with real turns will warp them slightly on mechanicals with resin pads. With plain steel rotors set up with the pads close it takes even less, a few big pulls and they're tinkling.

shit is roadiculous

since none of that is true with XTs on the same rotors, where it takes miles of 20% tech singletrack for them to even feel any different

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 12/25/2013 - 01:08
CheshireCat
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trying the XT brakes compared to my X0 brakes was night and day. Same rotors as was on my bike, but new calipers and levers and it actually worked.

The ice techs are a good reason because we can get like 10-15 minutes of descending out here at pretty high speeds. Snowman and I did some pretty harrowing downhill last time we went out. Put that on top of me using the CX bike as my mountain bike most of the time these days and the confidence and modulation is nice.

The TRP CX8.4 mini V brakes on my regular CX bike are still great and I'd probably choose them over discs for a muddy race, but for the sand pit nightmares we have out here, the extra tire clearance and discs might be kinda nice.

Now I just need someone to teach me how to frikkin hop barriers. The only upgrade I need is to start riding again and bring myself back into form by the end of this summer so I can have a season next year.

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Wed, 12/25/2013 - 18:16
Wintage Townie
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Conclusion - Shimano discs brakes are light years better than anything else on the market.

See - Everything I've ever posted on the internet about bikes.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
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Fri, 12/27/2013 - 01:50
JUGE FREDD
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Demonstration of the Shimano mechanical failure:

(but lulz it's on a older shitty model that wasn't in the recall)

It's the same kind of over-rotation issue that just got the TRP Spyres recalled too

The problem is nowhere near as scary as it's made to appear -- you have to be a real dumbass to add your own inline barrel adjuster and use it exclusively instead of ever adjusting the pads directly as designed.

The arm on a mechanical caliper will always have a limited range of motion. Zeno's paradoxing yourself into using a smaller and smaller subset of it will just make them perform shittier and shittier, especially after they add a bump-stop in there to avoid the scary release when the pads are fully worn and adjusted all the way out

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:03
VT regularbike
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Yeah idunno why mechanical disc brakes even come with any barrel adjusters at all. Ive never had to use them because I just adjust my pads takes 2 seconds longer. Granted can't be done while riding but its never been an issue for me. Ive never put any inline brake adjuster on a customers bike with mechanical discs anyway.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 22:43
jimmythefly
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I was and (still am?) an advocate for in-line adjusters. But maybe that's because I kept fukking up my setup or something? Always felt that the adjuster gave finer control than the adjustment at the caliper. Also was useful for taking slop out of the line rather than having to clamp/unclamp the cable a bunch to get cable tension just right.

But this is all on first-gen BB7 and BB7 road. Maybe on later gens they upped the spring rate to better overcome cable drag or something. I'm not an ace mechanic but I do know my way around most mechanical systems that make up a bicycle.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 00:20
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #37)

jimmythefly wrote:
Always felt that the adjuster gave finer control than the adjustment at the caliper.

the BB7 pad adjustment is pretty coarse

but the Shimano outboard setscrew adjustment is several times finer than a barrel adjuster

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 00:42
CheshireCat
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After a couple of weeks I'm really liking them. The max braking force is not quite as strong as I thought it would be, but the modulation is a bit better than the BB7 I was using before.

Overall pretty happy with these until I can afford to go di2 hydraulic to xtr calipers. Shimano always knows how to do it right.

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Thu, 01/16/2014 - 21:52
NOVELTYNAME
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FYI:

Both the HYRD and the Spyre use brake pads that are the same size and shape as the prevalent Shimano M515 brake pads so replacement pads will be easier to source in a pinch.

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Fri, 01/17/2014 - 17:09
Sneaky Viking
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I took another ride on my Spyres yesterday, and I'm gonna go ahead and say it: I'm underwhelmed with the stopping power. The modulation is great and all, but they don't stop as well as BB7(road)s. Maybe I still need let them break in more, but I doubt it.

I might call TRP about the recall, and see if I can upgrade to the HY/RDs.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 12:59
Blakey
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Finally got around to emailing Tektro USA. Two days later a DHL box from Taiwan with new calipers landed on my doorstep and I haven't even sent the other ones back yet.

Good service.

Fitted the new ones, noticed there's a 3mm allen key pad adjustment on both sides. I don't recall the first ones having dual adjustment.

Calipers shipped with inners, compressionless housing and flexible sections to put under the bartape. And a sticker.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:19