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Endpoint
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(Reply to #301)

match avatar wrote:
and pretty sour on collabo branded cutlery and other lifestyle accessories

Oh I agree... I don't want to just remake something with our name on it. The goal with the bikes is to really tackle bikes that are not being properly done already. Same approach to anything we end up making.

Has to be better.
Hat to be innovative.
Has to be made in murica.

Like a bob trailer that can stand up on it's own and be an anchor point for a matching tent or something. Like that weird ass Topeak bike tent but actually functional.

http://www.topeak.com/products/Tent

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 18:46
JUGE FREDD
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touring with a trailer is intrinsically suffering atmo

doubt you could really innovate all the way out of that

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 18:53
randsome beast
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Threw the Endpoint bike brand into a conversation with some industry peoples last night.

Not sure how that filtered down around the water cooler today. Unless you updated the Endpoint site after last night, I doubt they got very far other than finding CBC

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:09
NOVELTYNAME
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a trailer with a full size replacement rear wheel (bob yak with a 700c wheel)
a trailer that has 2 wheel holders on it (ride to race with race wheels)
a trailer with a pony keg mount
a trailer for dogs/kids that doesnt have a stupid plastic cover and looks elegant
a trailer for hauling a bike

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:21
Endpoint
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(Reply to #305)

match avatar wrote:
touring with a trailer is intrinsically suffering atmo

doubt you could really innovate all the way out of that

When touring with dog it's the only way to fly.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:21
jeffro
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Holy shit, that Topeak tent seems dumb.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:21
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #307)

bradencbc wrote:
match avatar wrote:
touring with a trailer is intrinsically suffering atmo

doubt you could really innovate all the way out of that

When touring with dog it's the only way to fly.

seen that blow up enough times to understand it as a ridiculously terrible thing to do to the vast majority of dogs and humans

when something you can do as a pet owner outdoors almost universally works better with a cat than a dog, you know you are staring the devil in the face

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:27
VT regularbike
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Because leave the cat at home? I love the shit out of my doggie but I will just get someone to sit her if I wanna go on bike tour. Fuck towing a trailer full of 65lbs of not so happy dog.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:41
johnnyraja
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(Reply to #309)

wintrotta wrote:
a trailer for hauling a bike

A trailer...for hauling a trailer...and maybe you can put your weed in the other trailer

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:53
ergott
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A trailer for my wheel boxes so I can take them to the PO.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:21
Endpoint
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My dog is a 20lb Jack Russell that loves riding in a trailer and loves camping. Bike touring with him is rad.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:33
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #312)

VT tallbike wrote:
Because leave the cat at home?

seen plenty of hobos with cat carriers / upholstered racks / etc — apparently there's plenty of cats content to chill out and watch shit go by

most dogs I've seen flip the fuck out, whether that's going wild and escaping the trailer or whimpering and shitting in it

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:44
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #313)

wintrotta wrote:
a trailer with a full size replacement rear wheel (bob yak with a 700c wheel)

more harm than good for all but crazy fatbike shit

wintrotta wrote:
a trailer that has 2 wheel holders on it (ride to race with race wheels)

you do that by mounting them on the fork — attach hubs to a skewer tab on each side, and strap by the rim to the drops

wintrotta wrote:
a trailer with a pony keg mount

would be funny if the keg was the entire structure of the trailer, kinda pointless otherwise

wintrotta wrote:
a trailer for hauling a bike

you just need one of these mounted on a rear rack: http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Racks-T970-Block-Bicycle/dp/B000QJC5F8

the bike IS the trailer

wintrotta wrote:
a trailer for dogs/kids that doesnt have a stupid plastic cover and looks elegant

for kids that's an longtail

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:46
randsome beast
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I feel these are relevant.

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 23:50
NOVELTYNAME
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I'm just putting out ideas
Here's another:
Trailer that is a BBQ and a cooler

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:53
oogens
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You guys are forgetting that this is a bike company

Everything needs an integrated bottle opener

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 14:03
NoahGenda
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Mig everything you mentioned I do on My Surly Bill trailer
Take my bikes to shorttrack, take coolers/bbq to the park, take people on it sitting on lounge chairs
Just gotta get innovative

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 17:28
NOVELTYNAME
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29er porteur bike

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 17:45
Bahamontes
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Rad ass backpack. Like the Rapha one but waterproof without the cover. Would be glad to send you the old version for reference.

Videos. The duck dynasty guys had a million people paying to watch them hunt BEFORE they had a show. Bike geeks will pay to watch rad endpoint adventures.

Bikes. Everyone wants this bike, for the most part. Not everyone knows it yet. But gravel/adventure is swelling and this is a nice rig at a good price without a real competitor.

Another backpack. Somewhere around 2k capacity. Internal frame, or frame sheet. Comfortable on and off the bike. I have an adventure racing pack that's close but could be a little shorter.

A jersey/softshell type thingy like the Castelli Gabba.

A killer winter hat. Every forum has a thread every year so clearly nobody is really nailing a beanie.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 18:11
halbritt
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A decent alpine double?

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:46
liquify
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Oh, that could fit in with the coffee grinder quite nicely. ^

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:48
crowding
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Peen cozy for those cold mornings

Bike oriented lightweight / club fit ISEA 107 high viz gear

Packable touring sandals/moccasins

An actual coffee grinder that packs inside an aeropress

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 18:47
Sneaky Viking
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yeah but White Industries is the only MUSA option going, and they already make one. ain't nobody in merkuh gonna forge you a better one.

that said, if you know someone at FSA, maybe get them to make an Energy level thing-thing?

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 18:35
randsome beast
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Hate to blow the surprise if this was going to be the super stealth feature. Integrated grinder for beans or, ahem, everything but the beans.

emor wrote:
RANDO LIFE IS LIFE ON THE EDGE

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:12
Endpoint
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If I was to make an alpine double what would be the preferred chain ring sizes?

Tarck focus group go!

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 18:33
Orc
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46/30 or 44/28 ?

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 18:35
NOVELTYNAME
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46/30 +1

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 18:39
Endpoint
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I have a plan!

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 18:50
Sneaky Viking
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46/30.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 18:52
eric_ssucks
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I'd love an affordable 45/30

yes, that's a 45, because why not?

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 19:07
halbritt
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46/30.

I'm about to do 44/28 with a triple.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 19:16
hiljentaa
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I think a dedicated 94 bcd double with proper road chainline would be awesome. Offer 46, 44, 32, 30t rings.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 20:30
Endpoint
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Thinking a CNCed spider for 110/94 No shortage of rings that would fit. Would be easy to make to existing spec for cranks with replaceable spiders. SRAM for cheaper stuff and baller options for rotor, sisl, and specialized. Will probably look into sourcing something less expensive the x9 level option. Would be a fairly cheap way on my end to test the waters. Making an actual crank is serious business though.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 22:40
eric_ssucks
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engineering is expensive.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 00:09
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #335)

bradencbc wrote:
Thinking a CNCed spider for 110/94 No shortage of rings that would fit. Would be easy to make to existing spec for cranks with replaceable spiders. SRAM for cheaper stuff and baller options for rotor, sisl, and specialized. Will probably look into sourcing something less expensive the x9 level option. Would be a fairly cheap way on my end to test the waters. Making an actual crank is serious business though.

good idea, but 110/74 is easier to source

or even the 92bcd that Shimano uses on their modern road triple grannies

the spider has to be offset/outboard style like the sugino cranks anyway for the dual bcd to work, and that makes sourcing ramped outer rings kind of a big deal since the countersink has to be on the inboard side

you could try buying a pile direct from sugino, or start asking taiwanese sales agents to get you some OEM rings with a backwards countersink

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 06:28
Endpoint
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You're right... 74. My typo.

Right about the countersink issue. That's the biggest hurdle. It's doable though. Rotor USA was modding rings in house to deal with this on some cranks. Short term I have to look to see about either modding non Sugino rings or doing a bulk order.

Long term would indeed mean going direct to Taiwan for rings... which I'm not super keen on but that's the route I'll probably have to go for crank arms as well.

Might grab some of these up for prototyping.

http://dx.com/p/aest-yrc170-02-aluminum-bike-crank-golden-blue-116367?utm_source=GoogleShoppingUS&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=116367&utm_campaign=1641&gclid=CO2bytrws7gCFeHm7Aod1RAAKQ

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 07:13
Sneaky Viking
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personally, Sugino does the 110/74 very well. expensive, obviously, but very nice.

if it's a crankset dedicated to compact doubleness (48/32, 46/30, 44/28), I'd go to 130/74 because stiffer, as well as backwards compatible with the jillion triple road cranksets that have fallen out of favor.

All you'd need to start is the big rings in ramped and pinned-way, with the recess to sit in the middle position.

1. get some of your preferred crankset, FSA Energy, in unwanted triple configuration for dirt cheap
2. install MUSA 46t ring in middle position
3. ???
4. profit

and you know, work on a spider or whatever. I dunno much about spider cranks, except that the Specialized ones have a stupid expensive tool, and they're hard to swap spiders on.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 08:12
Petr5
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nm. You guys wanna use big boy rings

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Tue, 07/16/2013 - 08:26
Endpoint
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Most triple cranks have that wider Q factor... certainly not a deal breaker but if it's possible I want to avoid that.

130 means custom rings right off the bat rather than just starting with Sugino.

Doing spiders, especially ones that fit higher end cranks fits the brand a bit better I think rather than just doing countersunk rings for old triples. If you're dropping $1400 on a frame set spending $400-700 on a crank is more likely than looking for something in the $200 range.

Rings are a bit more of a challenge to do well as anyone who has used old Sram or FSA rings knows.

Really there are 3 distinct goals here. Will probably tackle in this order:

1. Spider for existing baller or semi baller cranks cranks that can use existing or modified rings

2. Asia arms that work with musa spider in sub $350 price

3. Asia rings that can allow for retrofitting current production cranks at sub $100 price.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 08:54
rauce
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The s900/force22 crank would be a good a semi-baller spider option or alternatively a one piece big ring sorta like the white industries VBC rings. There are already a number of small mtb component companies doing ss rings for the x.o cranks that have the same spider mount.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 09:37
Sneaky Viking
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(Reply to #341)

bradencbc wrote:
Most triple cranks have that wider Q factor... certainly not a deal breaker but if it's possible I want to avoid that.

130 means custom rings right off the bat rather than just starting with Sugino.

Doing spiders, especially ones that fit higher end cranks fits the brand a bit better I think rather than just doing countersunk rings for old triples. If you're dropping $1400 on a frame set spending $400-700 on a crank is more likely than looking for something in the $200 range.

Rings are a bit more of a challenge to do well as anyone who has used old Sram or FSA rings knows.

Really there are 3 distinct goals here. Will probably tackle in this order:

1. Spider for existing baller or semi baller cranks cranks that can use existing or modified rings

2. Asia arms that work with musa spider in sub $350 price

3. Asia rings that can allow for retrofitting current production cranks at sub $100 price.

I guess I figured rings were easier to source. I know Zanc did that run of Campy CX rings before Campy had 'em. And there's US and Canada small shops doing rings.

if your crank budget is $400-700, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just get the Sugino OX801D. because you want something boutique, weenie, or carbon? weenie and carbon seem kind of unnecessary with a steel frame.

I'm a big dude with wide hips; I think about q-factor about as much as I think about toe clip overlap.

I mean, you know do what you want, but all other things being equal, a 46t ring is going to be stiffer on a 130 bcd than a 110.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 09:51
Endpoint
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Got a s900 here that's going to the machinist shortly.

Going to build around Sugino rings for now to keep it simple in the short term. If I end up doing rings it would be an easy change to move bcd to 130. I agree that it's a good idea though.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 09:53
halbritt
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Are the Wickwerks rings as good as they say? Maybe they'd be inclined to do a run of 46/30.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 11:44
jimmythefly
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I could go for some odd-numbered tooth counts, esp. for the big ring. A 45 and 47 would be great. Right now I like a 44 - 11 top gear combo, but sometimes wish I had a 45.

I just want a little more top end, but not at the expense of being able to stay in the big ring all day and treat it like a 1x drivetrain most of the time. Offering a 45 and 47 (and 29 and 31 small rings) would be attractive to me.

But maybe that's just me, and the majority of customers would be hesitant to abandon their familiar even-numbered chainwheels?

The advantage of 94 bcd is the ability to go down to a 29T ring while not needing to worry about the reverse-countersink issue on the big ring. But then of course there are still ring availability issues, and big-ring flex, to worry about.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 13:02
Endpoint
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(Reply to #345)

halbritt wrote:
Are the Wickwerks rings as good as they say? Maybe they'd be inclined to do a run of 46/30.

Nope... asked them a while ago. Not until they see more demand.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 14:36
halbritt
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^Nope they're not that good or nope they're not willing to make custom rings? Fuck 'em in either case.

I've ridden a 46t big ring for a while and definitely like a bigger top end, but that's the price you pay for an alpine crankset. As for 94bcd vs 74bcd, I honestly think some folks might like to have a 28t small ring.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 14:57
hiljentaa
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(Reply to #347)

A spider would be sweet, but it sounds like an expensive option when factoring in arms and rings. I think the Sugino OX series already accomplishes that, but probably heavier.

jimmythefly wrote:
I could go for some odd-numbered tooth counts, esp. for the big ring. A 45 and 47 would be great. Right now I like a 44 - 11 top gear combo, but sometimes wish I had a 45.

I just want a little more top end, but not at the expense of being able to stay in the big ring all day and treat it like a 1x drivetrain most of the time. Offering a 45 and 47 (and 29 and 31 small rings) would be attractive to me.

But maybe that's just me, and the majority of customers would be hesitant to abandon their familiar even-numbered chainwheels?

The advantage of 94 bcd is the ability to go down to a 29T ring while not needing to worry about the reverse-countersink issue on the big ring. But then of course there are still ring availability issues, and big-ring flex, to worry about.

I think the advantage of a 94bcd setup would be cost.

I know IRD recently branded a 94bcd singlespeed MTB crank. It seems like it'd be not too difficult to do a run of something like that, but with a road double chainline and good quality chainrings with extras available.

Even though square taper, I think that would get a lot more folks into 'alpine double' idea since nothing currently exists in the $150-250 price range.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 15:08
halbritt
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Ideally, this thing would end up in the $150-250 price range.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 15:09
Endpoint
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no custom... hear they are really good though.

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 15:16
crowding
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If you can source a 46t that's countersunk on the inside I'd vote for 130/74. One annoying thing about a 110/74 alpine double is that a 30t inner ring overlaps with 110mm outer bolts, making it hard to do the nuts on the outer without taking the inner off

Tue, 07/16/2013 - 23:39

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