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Endpoint
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Order forms just emailed to everyone who expressed an interest. Closing down the tarckdeal officially Monday so if you have not gotten an order form and are interested hit me up asap.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 08:28
Blakey
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Replied!

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 08:52
Endpoint
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Also, full carbon, tapered fork adds $200 to the previously discussed price. No paint option though, just glossy or matte.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 09:06
jeffro
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It's in the mail! Wasn't totally clear on whether there's an alloy steerer Whiskey fork option in addition to the full carbon? Alloy steerer would be fine for me. Also made note that black frame is fine if it lands me in first batch but if not to please switch to magenta. Stoked!

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 12:08
halbritt
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(Reply to #255)

bradencbc wrote:
Also, full carbon, tapered fork adds $200 to the previously discussed price. No paint option though, just glossy or matte.

Shit. Now I want this.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 12:10
liquify
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frak. Decisions!!!
Is steel fork going to look silly/tiny on 44mm headtube? I really liked magenta frame/hi-vis fork, but all carbon-all the time is tempting, too.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 13:27
Endpoint
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Might look a little weird... i dunno both versions will use a cane creek lower headset cup that sits outside the frame (EC not ZS) to keep fork span and geometry the same for design purposes and later possibility of upgrade if need be (only the crown race needs to be switched to switch forks, bearing and cup are the same). The 44mm headtube with steel fork on my 2nd IF looked a little odd at first but now no fucks given.

Sat, 06/01/2013 - 14:34
liquify
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Solid. I need to think about that over the next day or two.

make checks to "Ride Endpoint" and the RVA address in your email signature?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 00:42
Endpoint
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Yep.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 08:41
jeffro
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(Reply to #260)

bradencbc wrote:
Yep.

DQ: I went the credit card route on the order form, but now having seen a second mention of checks I'm worried. Was it checks or GTFO?

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 15:02
balonya
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I want an Endpoint but wife will kill me.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 15:09
Endpoint
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Check or gtfo for deposit. Don't have cc up and running yet and I'm not trying to piggy back on CBC stuff. Too messy.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 15:26
jeffro
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(Reply to #263)

bradencbc wrote:
Check or gtfo for deposit. Don't have cc up and running yet and I'm not trying to piggy back on CBC stuff. Too messy.

Poop. OK, sorry. Be on the lookout for a second envelope from me. Thanks.

Sun, 06/02/2013 - 16:13
Roundabout
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Boom, check mailed.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:17
imoscardotcom
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will mail out check tonight. do you know the offered seatpost/cockpit specifics yet? no biggie if not

so excited. get here now december

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:50
asterisk
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Stoked on this. Check is in the mail.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:46
halbritt
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My will is not strong.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:19
ergott
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The check is in the mail. No, really.

This bike will do everything except haul my 5gal water bottles. No sense in building a bike around the 2 or 3 trips a year I do like that. I'd rather have a bike that will do the 99% commuting jobs I put its way. Front rack and a change of clothes/shoes should do it for me. Who knows, I might even use it for other rides in the future.

Thanks!

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:30
circuithero
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Just dropped my check in the mail leaving work. Kinda pumped on being stoked.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:06
Roundabout
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Most pumped on forgetting about this until the next email shows up.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 23:18
ergott
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Check in mail. Let's do this.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 08:28
Blakey
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so stoked for this. and the bike's not even for me. hella jealous of supgirl's future endpoint.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 08:41
imoscardotcom
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maybe I'm looking at the wrong fork, but will the whiskey fork have a brake hole to accommodate fenders? It's the Cross No.7, right? also, no front rack capability with the carbon fork?

perhaps DQs, apologies

http://whiskyparts.co/catalog/forks

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 10:54
Endpoint
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(Reply to #274)

imoscardotcom wrote:
maybe I'm looking at the wrong fork, but will the whiskey fork have a brake hole to accommodate fenders? It's the Cross No.7, right? also, no front rack capability with the carbon fork?

perhaps DQs, apologies

http://whiskyparts.co/catalog/forks

Fork will take fenders but no rack without mods from predator cycling bros. fork has threaded hole in the back of the crown

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 12:55
ergott
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So wait. I thought this was a front rack bike. Does it need to be a steel fork in order to get fork rack?

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 13:27
imoscardotcom
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^ my concern too. if the fork mods would be mega expensive, might go steel fork instead

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 13:36
Endpoint
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Correct... the steel fork is front rack compatible.... carbon fork is not. Both can take fenders.

We did mod one to gauge cost and it's probably more than anyone wants to pay for this project.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 13:43
Blakey
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Oh, I totally neglected to think about that. Might also be switching back to steel. Will confirm asap

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 19:05
Blakey
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I might have missed this, but what mounts will the fork have? Low rider or riv-rawland style bar bag rack type?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 19:33
Endpoint
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Mid blade offers the most options. When I come out with a rack it will mimic te dimensions of the nitto one but in a fixed position.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 22:53
JUGE FREDD
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that's not an answer, both of the mounts he describes are mid-blade

just the Rivendell one is 145mm below the crown hole along the HTA, and the lowrider ones are 165mm perpendicularly above the dropout bosses

and like I said before Nitto already makes a fixed position rack to the Rivendell standard, as does Haulin Colin

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 00:46
Blakey
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What right said Fred said.

(Too sexy for his elephant.)

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 02:01
Endpoint
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195mm from the crown

that's pretty much optimized for a Nitto M18 or Salsa Minimalist rack and when I finally get a rack built it will pretty much match the dimensions of the Nitto but with fixed struts and a proper light mount.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 10:54
JUGE FREDD
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smiley

On a typical cyclocross fork that's about the same spot as the lowrider rack standard, and isn't it a super common problem that the stock struts on the adjustable Nitto racks are slightly too short to reach those? Hence repeated referrals to these things?: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20077.htm

Except on a disc fork you'll probably have the fender bosses a bit above the dropouts to clear the caliper nicely, so there goes that vestige of compatibility!

If for whatever reason you think the 145mm Rivendell/Wetmore/Rawland standard (that Glen has been building to for a few years) is too high, make sure that your lower position is the right height above the fender bosses so that a Tubus Tara sets up level.

Don't make a third standard, this shit is annoying enough as it is.

(actually fourth, cause fucking Velo Orange is around 105mm below the crown hole)

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 06:12
ergott
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You said crown hole.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 07:32
Endpoint
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Wanted to clarify a couple points about the bike after a conversation with Fred.

Point 1:

Front load and steering.

For the first two runs the geometry falls almost completely on the "endurance road" end of the spectrum that should be considered in the context of front loads. Basically the bike will shred turns as speed like a bauss but if you put 10 pounds of gear on the front it's going to be wonky.

I designed this around how I used my I.F. which means light stuff in the front bag like clothing and a small tool kit. When I put a U lock up there I can feel it and it does not feel great.

Fred came up with a really good idea for a 2nd steel fork option with a lower A2C and higher rake to optimize the front as a low trail machine. HOWEVER, that's just one more awesome idea that I can't implement... YET.

So... in the mean time if you put a big boxy rando bag on this bike with a 3 course meal and lock you will regret it. If you put a mini bag up there like I have been building (and will have an improved one ready by the 2nd batch of frames at a VERY good price) with light stuff you will be super stoked on the steering.

How I usually show my I.F. is how this bike is intended to be set up. Small front bag and big revelate viscacha seat bag if you need to carry more. I did my 6 day gravel/pavement credit card tour last year with this setup and it was perfect.

Down the road once things like the custom front rack is done and the front bag is finished I'll make the low trail fork a reality and offer a tarckbro price on it for anyone who so desires.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:01
Endpoint
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Point 2:

Rack mount position is not set in stone and I'm taking Fred's advise on placement under advisement.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:00
jimmythefly
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A+ would read clarifying remarks again.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:02
crowding
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(Reply to #289)

bradencbc wrote:
2nd steel fork option with a lower A2C and higher rake

Since you went to 44mm ht with external cups, you can throw an angleset into the mix too to tighten up the head angle and front center

yeah, yeah my only contributions to this thread are total homercar

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:19
Endpoint
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It's not that crazy an idea.

Stock it's going to be set up for a zero stack upper and external cup lower so the a2c on tapered or non fork is not a geometry changer. Swapping an external cup lower for zerostack steepens the hta right off the bat and lowers trail with stock steel fork.

I'm really glad I decided to go 44mm headtube for all of these reasons.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 16:36
Blakey
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sounding good, in for steel fork now, can always buy the whisky down the track, or the theoretical low trail later.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 18:48
liquify
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(Reply to #292)

Blakey wrote:
sounding good, in for steel fork now, can always buy the whisky down the track, or the theoretical low trail later.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 20:41
imoscardotcom
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so a small U-lock will really throw handling off noticeably? That's like the only item I'll be hauling to/from work...

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 16:02
jimmythefly
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You'll be fine. A small u-lock isn't much. I and others have carried all kinds of stupid stuff on bikes with the "wrong" front-end geometry.

For small loads, I wouldn't be so worried about having the perfectly optimal front-end geometry.

Especially if whatever racks fit this end up being nice and close to the head tube, which they should be because there's nothing like caliper brakes in the way preventing it.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 16:31
Endpoint
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Thanks to everyone who sent in orders... nice to go into this with 9 frames pre-sold. Good feelings when a personal design resonates with an audience as snarky yet educated as tarck.

BBill get at me with a low trail fork design for Coffee Grinder.

Also I want to talk to you more about the 650b bike... I think we are pretty much on the same page with your Elephant and my 2nd Indy Fab but there are some subtleties I want to pick your brain on to refine the design to make the two forks - two trails approach even more viable for this one.

As things are getting closer to landing on the first batch we'll be stepping it up on the other stuff... racks... bags (front bag is on version 3.0 now in the form of a one off for a Salsa rack and is even better... Rusty I have not forgotten you and once 4.0 is ready I'm still sending you one).

At this point I would love to hear from you guys what I should turn my attention to next. The plan from the start was to make more than just bikes so if you think I should make a trailer, knife, or whatever I'm taking suggestions.

Thanks again tarckers.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:14
aerobear
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well, you can go one of two directions with this

axes

or

watches

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:11
cheese
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custom printed NATO bands and matchy batrape?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:41
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #298)

jimmythefly wrote:
Especially if whatever racks fit this end up being nice and close to the head tube, which they should be because there's nothing like caliper brakes in the way preventing it.

you still have the stem and handlebars

the brake was never the real problem

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:42
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #299)

chase wrote:
custom printed NATO bands and matchy batrape?

solid idea

I'm all for matchy match TAF kit

and pretty sour on collabo branded cutlery and other lifestyle accessories

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:44
jimmythefly
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Exception for matchy endpoint folding saw with bottle boss mount bracket.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:45

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