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aerobear
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I'd be into gloss black with magenta fork and hi viz decals
or hi viz fork and magenta decals

either way

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 01:00
Viggen
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If I could justify another bike I'd be all over this frame set in a sec. No matter what colour-way!

Fuck.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 12:39
Roxy
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Did I miss info on fork rake/trail?

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 13:36
NOVELTYNAME
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The geo has not been posted.

@blakey yes.

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 18:17
Endpoint
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(Reply to #105)

BradenCBC wrote:
This is the generic response to everyone who has emailed so far...

Pricing should be set by the end of the week.

First order delivered in about 12 weeks.

Second order sometime after that.

Tarckbros can get in on either order.

Will do Tarck color in full magenta or high-vis yellow.... maybe both. Might change price might not. Should know this for sure shortly.

Once I have frame/fork price set I'll take deposits. I'm going to make it easy and just take $100 for a place in line and then whatever comes adds up to be 50% once a hard delivery date is set. Balance will be due at time of shipping.

I'll work up build kit prices either later this week or next depending on how much time I can spend hiding from customers at the bike shop.

I am taking your advise and offering a Shimano build.

The three builds will be Apex, 105, Force.

I will release geometry the same time as pricing.

It sounds like Elephant will be able to front load 1-2 frames as prototypes so I can get a ride on one to make sure nothing is wonky before the full order happens.

Sizes will be 48, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62 possibly something smaller than 48 if someone asks for it. It would have 26" wheels for the largest number of tire options.

I think that covers MOST questions for now.

More to come soon.

Just replied to all your emails with an email that really does not answer the most important questions.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:35
Endpoint
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Also I'm really overwhelmed with the response from you guys... I'm really excited that our little project resonates with so many of you.

And this coming together has really gotten me excited about future projects. In the not too distant future I'm looking forward to releasing a proper racing hardtail with this:

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:39
JonnieGonePlaid
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(Reply to #107)

bradencbc wrote:
Also I'm really overwhelmed with the response from you guys... I'm really excited that our little project resonates with so many of you.

And this coming together has really gotten me excited about future projects. In the not too distant future I'm looking forward to releasing a proper racing hardtail with this:

Want

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:43
Larry Winget
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If I wasn't already all in on the Charge build...

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:37
akasnowmaaan
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Do you need graphic design help for the decals? Or do you have that handled?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:55
liquify
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How terrible or awesome would a mismatched magenta frame/hi-via fork look? Really not sure which I would prefer, but I'm leaning toward magenta. I have an old trek antelope in hi-via with splatter if I ever want it back from my aunt.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:01
Endpoint
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We're covered on the graphic end. My primary partner in this adventure does that stuff as his day job and is most of the driving force behind the CBC website and it's look. Going a different direction with things on this and I don't want to jinx things by giving away too much too soon. I will say I doubt too many people are going to be scraping the decals off.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:12
NOVELTYNAME
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i think tarck wants go like this:
1. sweet bike
2. bradens shop to prosper
3. ???
4. profit

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:25
Bahamontes
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TC: I budget every month using cash and envelopes (envelope for utilities, rent, entertainment, vacations, etc)

Last night, Ashley comes to the balcony where I'm enjoying a glass of bourbon. Looking at me ever so sweetly, she calmly asks,
"What the fuck is an endpoint and why are we saving so much money for it?!"

I replied, after a good swallow, "Cause I'm getting the Force build."

smiley

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:30
dema
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God bless separate bank accounts.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:33
liquify
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Lol- nice work, Scott

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:33
halbritt
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(Reply to #116)

dema wrote:
God bless separate bank accounts.

Yeah. Need some of this.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:37
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #117)

Bahamontes wrote:
I replied, after a good swallow, "Cause I'm getting the Force build."
smiley

BWAHAHAHAHA

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:39
jamey
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(Reply to #118)

wintrotta wrote:
Bahamontes wrote:
I replied, after a good swallow, "Cause I'm getting the Force build."
smiley

BWAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, that rules.

truckdoug "never turn down free beer, dont stick your dick where you wouldnt put your face, and always ride shimano"

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 19:04
liquify
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I'm imagining the pitch getting higher as that sentence goes on.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 19:23
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #120)

halbritt wrote:
dema wrote:
God bless separate bank accounts.

Yeah. Need some of this.

I haz, but no money in it.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 19:31
hambeki
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My individual account has like $4 in it. I'm afraid to even buy a coffee because I don't want to trigger the overdraft protection.

MoonCat wrote:
All bikes are really just overpriced crosschecks with different geometries.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 19:38
Blakey
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A caliper question: have you considered the trp spyre over bb7r?

Lighter, dual piston, similar price. Downside is I guess it's not readily available yet

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:52
Endpoint
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(Reply to #123)

Blakey wrote:
not readily available yet

only thing holding me back. as soon as I get my hands on some I'll make a decision.

Will spec the shimano calipers with the shimano build though.

QBP says no stock til mid June. Will probably price things out with Avid and IF they come in and IF they don't suck I can always change.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 21:10
Endpoint
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Also:

Does tubeless matter? Considering going with American Classic 101 rims on the Force build and sticking with Archtype for lower levels (or 101 as upgrade). They are lighter (70g less per rim than Archtype), don't have the max pressure problems with tubes that Stan's rims have, and work very will for tubeless cross applications.

2 downsides: slightly harder to change a flat if running a tube, would increase price by about $40

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 21:20
JUGE FREDD
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only really harder to change a flat if you've depended on the tire/rim interface being loose like sleeve of wizard

I like the added bead security and it's saved my ass a few times in the gnar

the AC rims look awesome, they're my backup plan if the chinese crabons + hetres don't work out

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 22:35
Roundabout
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Email sent.

Did you design the geo with a specific fender in mind?

As for tubeless/not: who do you see as the main person buying one of these? It seems like a bike nerd's wet dream bike to me, so from that end I think the kind of person interested in the frame would probably be the kind of person willing to deal with / wanting to go tubeless.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 22:57
LADY GAGA
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(Reply to #127)

Bahamontes wrote:
TC: I budget every month using cash and envelopes (envelope for utilities, rent, entertainment, vacations, etc)

Last night, Ashley comes to the balcony where I'm enjoying a glass of bourbon. Looking at me ever so sweetly, she calmly asks,
"What the fuck is an endpoint and why are we saving so much money for it?!"

I replied, after a good swallow, "Cause I'm getting the Force build."

smiley

POTY

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 00:20
Endpoint
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(Reply to #128)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
only really harder to change a flat if you've depended on the tire/rim interface being loose like sleeve of wizard

I like the added bead security and it's saved my ass a few times in the gnar

the AC rims look awesome, they're my backup plan if the chinese crabons + hetres don't work out

eeeeaaaaaant. wrong.

I'm sorry the answer we were looking for is that due to the inner ridges on the AC rims that are designed to sandwich the bead between them and the hook (and to avoid stan's patent) it takes a far greater amount of pressure than expected to fully seat the tire when changing a tube. Has nothing to do with actually taking the tube in and out. Can prove quite annoying if you are using a hand pump on the side of the road.

I have built up a few sets of these now for customers and shop bros, some for trail use and some with wider street tires. I have mounted several tires in the 700x28-35 range with tubes when setting base tape and mtb tires as well. In most cases it takes well over 60psi to get all of the bead to seat with or without soap.

Also re: Hetre X China carbon collabo... good luck. I have a few of those rims in now and have built up one pair as 29er trail wheels so far. Tire/rim interface is OK at best. Bead does not lock into place nearly as well as Stan's or AC rims. The 650b rims I have from the same place don't look like they will be any better for this purpose.

Feel free to actually try it and prove me wrong.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 08:11
Bahamontes
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Dgaf re tubeless one way or the other

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 08:28
bward1028

Does this thing have 650b potential?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:30
Endpoint
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no.

650b bike comes later

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34
akasnowmaaan
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DQ: Apex or 105 build for better disc brake behavior?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:20
imoscardotcom
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(Reply to #133)

akasnowmaaan wrote:
DQ: Apex or 105 build for better disc brake behavior?

i don't know dick about dick brakes, so this is relevant to my interests

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 14:24
Endpoint
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It's all in setup atmo.

Both the shimano and avid ones work great with compressionless housing and proper attention to setup.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 15:35
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #135)

bradencbc wrote:
no.

650b bike comes later

Is this something you feel at least 65% confident about? Because that sounds maybe more up my alley...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:29
Endpoint
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65% is reasonable.

I want to make one.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:10
dema
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*wrong thread*

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:30
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #138)

bradencbc wrote:
I have built up a few sets of these now for customers and shop bros, some for trail use and some with wider street tires. I have mounted several tires in the 700x28-35 range with tubes when setting base tape and mtb tires as well. In most cases it takes well over 60psi to get all of the bead to seat with or without soap.

fack, stan's rims are already annoying enough to fully reseat the bead on trailside without Co2, having to inflate over 2x would drive me crazy

guess the Arch EX is my fallback then

bradencbc wrote:
Also re: Hetre X China carbon collabo... good luck. I have a few of those rims in now and have built up one pair as 29er trail wheels so far. Tire/rim interface is OK at best. Bead does not lock into place nearly as well as Stan's or AC rims. The 650b rims I have from the same place don't look like they will be any better for this purpose.

Feel free to actually try it and prove me wrong.

light-bicycle changed their design for the 650b ones, will see how that pans out

The bead shelf is def tall enough that you can't get a tire mounted without pushing the bead into the center channel the whole way around. The bead hook isn't as short as it is on a Stan's rim, but that also means a split-tube rim strip remains an option.

gonna be lacing them up tomorrow

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:34
Endpoint
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Post pics and measurements of the inside of that rim. I have some here too from a different distributor I want to compare to. The 29er ones I got are the same thing for sure.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 08:16
jeffro
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Best. Avatar. Ever.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 21:34
Endpoint
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Just emailed everyone with pricing and more details.

I'll respond to any specific questions now via email for those still interested.

Here is tentative spec

Apex Bike:
Headset: TBD
Bar: TBD
Stem: TBD
Seatpost: TBD
Shifters: Apex
Brakes: BB7 or TRP
Front derailleur: Apex
Rear derailleur: Apex
Crank: Apex Compact
Cassette: PG-1030
Chain: PC-1031
Saddle: TBD
Rim: H+Son Archtype
Hub: Sealed bearing
Spokes: Sapim Race
Tire: Resist Nomad 28 or 32
Tube: Kenda standard
Rim tape: Tape
Bar tape: Arundle Gecko Grip

105 Bike:
Headset: TBD
Bar: TBD
Stem: TBD
Seatpost: TBD
Shifters: 105
Brakes: CX75 or TRP
Front derailleur: 105
Rear derailleur: 105
Crank: FSA Energy Megaexo Compact
Cassette: 105
Chain: 105
Saddle: TBD
Rim: H+Son Archtype
Hub: Sealed bearing
Spokes: Sapim Race
Tire: Resist Nomad 28 or 32
Tube: Kenda standard
Rim tape: tape
Bar tape: Arundle Gecko Grip

Force Bike:
Headset: TBD
Bar: TBD
Stem: TBD
Seatpost: TBD
Shifters: Force
Brakes: BB7 or TRP
Front derailleur: Force (or 6600)
Rear derailleur: Force
Crank: FSA Energy Mega Exo compact
Cassette: Ultegra
Chain: Ultegra
Saddle: TBD
Rim: H+Son Archtype or American Classic 101
Hub: Sun Ringle
Spokes: Sapim Laser
Tire: Challenge Eroica or Almanzo
Tube: Kenda Standard
Rim tape: tape
Bar tape: Arundle Gecko Grip

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 22:16
Endpoint
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Next question for the peanut gallery...

Consider this a focus group line of questions. Tarck is afterall the target demographic of Endpoint... except Bbill and Biek of course. lulz

Next frame I am thinking is this:
Steel racy hardtail
Using Paragonpoly dropout 142 thru axle or standard
44mm headtube or Lefty headtube
Steel (of course)
Threaded or PF30 bb
SHORT chainstays
short headtube
lazer etched graphics on raw steel with tinted or clear powder coat

Here's the hook:

XS 26"
S-M-M/L 27.5"
L-XL-XXL 29"

What do you guys think? I guess this is more directed at the XC bros on here but for you Kona Honzo types feel free to chime in and pass along feed back from anyone you know that would be into this type of thing.

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 21:54
Petr5
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Sounds rad. I love my lefty, but msrp on those is outrageous.
edit: god damn something like this in steel would be nice

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your bike sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Thu, 04/25/2013 - 23:58
akasnowmaaan
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How much can these builds be customized?
Or, if you can just plain leave parts off?
Or, say, sell the frameset, wheels, and gruppo thrown in a box and we take care of the rest?

For example, the only bars that fit me are Salsa. They're 46 c-to-c, which is still slightly less than shoulder width for me. The only bar that's wider is a Nitto Noodle.

If you can't, then that's OK, I can do what I always do and flip the stuff I don't use. But it would be nice if you had something inbetween the frameset and full bike.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 00:05
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #145)

bradencbc wrote:
Next question for the peanut gallery...

Consider this a focus group line of questions. Tarck is afterall the target demographic of Endpoint... except Bbill and Biek of course. lulz

Next frame I am thinking is this:
Steel racy hardtail
Using Paragonpoly dropout 142 thru axle or standard
44mm headtube or Lefty headtube
Steel (of course)
Threaded or PF30 bb
SHORT chainstays
short headtube
lazer etched graphics on raw steel with tinted or clear powder coat

Here's the hook:

XS 26"
S-M-M/L 27.5"
L-XL-XXL 29"

What do you guys think? I guess this is more directed at the XC bros on here but for you Kona Honzo types feel free to chime in and pass along feed back from anyone you know that would be into this type of thing.

What length of fork are you talking? Will it support a range, like the Canfield Yelly Screamy?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 00:06
aerobear
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(Reply to #146)

bradencbc wrote:
Just emailed everyone with pricing and more details.

I'll respond to any specific questions now via email for those still interested.

Didn't get an email.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 00:47
Endpoint
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Check your spam filter. I remember seeing your name

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 01:34
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #148)

Threaded bb, 44 mm head tube, 142 thru axle.

That way we can run shimano cranks and angleset it. I'm pretty sure there is a lefty steerer for 44mm head tubes. And stack heights get outta control on small bikes with leftys. Maybe bigbieks can have them, but it doesn't really make sense to design the whole frame around a lefty.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 02:11
oogens
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short chainstays gonna work in a non-honzo environment? the original gary fisher genesis geo was short chainstays long tt, and that thing liked to lift the front more than I personally cared for.

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 03:02
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #150)

bradencbc wrote:
Next frame I am thinking is this:
Steel racy hardtail
Using Paragonpoly dropout 142 thru axle or standard
44mm headtube or Lefty headtube
Steel (of course)
Threaded or PF30 bb
SHORT chainstays
short headtube
lazer etched graphics on raw steel with tinted or clear powder coat

Here's the hook:

XS 26"
S-M-M/L 27.5"
L-XL-XXL 29"

What do you guys think? I guess this is more directed at the XC bros on here but for you Kona Honzo types feel free to chime in and pass along feed back from anyone you know that would be into this type of thing.

VERY much on the right track, keep that headtube fucking short as shit

only major thing you left off is an oversized seattube for dropper post compat

could do triple cable stops on the top tube (leaving an extra for the seatpost) and hose guides on the downtube for the brake

look carefully at the options for true temper supertherm mixed with ox platinum and prob dedaccai chainstays

size/wheel range looks good, make the M/L and L nearly the same other than wheel size

and have a very very good idea of what forks/sag you wanna target for each size

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Fri, 04/26/2013 - 06:19

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