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Fergie

Can we get frames only. Cuz I want Campagnolo

Hopefully the Tarck-specific option has some sparkle vs neon?

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 07:29
crabbi
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(Reply to #52)

halbritt wrote:
I don't know who those people are, but I like them.

Lulz. There's been threads on both of them
Alison Brie Appreciation Thread

Christina Hendricks

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 10:00
lukasz
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(Reply to #53)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
NoahGenda wrote:
In my opinion the total shralping nature of a disc bike lends to Shimano over SRAM, except the Apex on bike one or Force on 3.
My opinion is that Ultegra is far superior to mid grade sram offerings.

Indeed, and you could use the CX-75 brakes with the matching cable pull on the Shimano option

If the TRP brakes have the same cable pull I'm gonna be pissed (sad). Fuck Shimano and its stupid making shit that works well and is reliable.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 10:24
ergott
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bradencbc wrote:
I'm breaking this out of the CBC thread to keep it simple.
More info to come...

I didn't check out the CBC thread yet so sorry if this is redundant. I might be better to clarify here anyway.

What sort of bike it this? Fenders, 35s and a front rack, but no rear rack, right? What's the geometry going to be like? Is this a bike that can double duty as a training bike and can be set of like a race bike? I'm trying to paint a picture in my head of the bike.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 11:25
Petr5
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(Reply to #55)

bradencbc wrote:
To recap for Snowmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn

"endurance road" bike geo with clearance for 35c tires.
Fender and front rack mounts
Nice short chainstays and oversized tubing
dick braks
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along
bigger sizes will get more oversized tubes... baby sizes will get less
technically just comes in black but thre will be tarck colorway, powdercoated coz wet paint is spensive
100% made in usa
fully tigged unicrown fork

One model for now... 3 more by then end of 2014

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Fri, 04/19/2013 - 11:27
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #56)

ergott wrote:
Velocity Synergy rims are less expensive, and very durable. Good option if you want to keep the cost down. You can even get them unmachined.

The 700c Synergy is at least gonna actually be 622 BSD, but really fuck that thing. Their Dyad is a lot better in the same category.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Fri, 04/19/2013 - 11:32
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #57)

halbritt wrote:
Dirty Sanchez wrote:
halbritt wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along

Why the fuck doesn't someone make this fork?

One example exists, and a whole bunch of eurobros are way into it: http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw=TRIGON+FULL+CARBON+RIGID+MTB+XC+Disc+FORK+26%22++480g

Ritchey used to sell forks out of the same mold for $500

It's really a susp-corrected 26" fork though, so ~415mm a-c

It's extremely unlikely that another model like that will appear, because the EU failure testing spec has gotten more demanding. You kinda need a tapered steerer to pass the test without the production costs being too high.

Which eurobros? More details?

lots of threads on weightweenies going back years, nobody's had a problem, and plenty of em appear to get real XC race use

if I was building a steel disc bike for normal trail, it'd be near the top of my list. Pretty much have to build the frame around it though, which may defeat the point of a straight steerer for you.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 11:43
Orc
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(Reply to #58)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
ergott wrote:
Velocity Synergy rims are less expensive, and very durable. Good option if you want to keep the cost down. You can even get them unmachined.

The 700c Synergy is at least gonna actually be 622 BSD, but really fuck that thing. Their Dyad is a lot better in the same category.

Or you can say foo on Velocity and get Archetypes instead. They're cheaper than the synergies(at least according to the Universal Cycles pricelist?) and only $3 more than Dyads.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:13
ergott
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Archetypes cheaper than Velocity? Damn, I don't have UC account. Sure I think the Archetypes are nicer. The hard ano finish all the way.

Read up on the other thread and more carefully here. Very awesome project. I have to figure out how to get the funds set aside. I'm already knee deep in other projects now. Don't care, I've been wanting a bike like this for a long time and it serves great purpose for me.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:27
imoscardotcom
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so in and so stoked. email sent!

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:46
Orc
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(Reply to #61)

I'm looking at the consumer pricing there; the Synergies are $69, Archetypes (black; Universal doesn't list the hard ano version this week) are $64, and Dyads are $61. Shopbro pricing is, no doubt, fairly radically different.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 12:47
halbritt
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(Reply to #62)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
halbritt wrote:
Dirty Sanchez wrote:
halbritt wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along

Why the fuck doesn't someone make this fork?

One example exists, and a whole bunch of eurobros are way into it: http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw=TRIGON+FULL+CARBON+RIGID+MTB+XC+Disc+FORK+26%22++480g

Ritchey used to sell forks out of the same mold for $500

It's really a susp-corrected 26" fork though, so ~415mm a-c

It's extremely unlikely that another model like that will appear, because the EU failure testing spec has gotten more demanding. You kinda need a tapered steerer to pass the test without the production costs being too high.

Which eurobros? More details?

lots of threads on weightweenies going back years, nobody's had a problem, and plenty of em appear to get real XC race use

if I was building a steel disc bike for normal trail, it'd be near the top of my list. Pretty much have to build the frame around it though, which may defeat the point of a straight steerer for you.

Found the threads, thanks. At 415mm, I'm not sure it'll work for me.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 13:44
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #63)

halbritt wrote:
Found the threads, thanks. At 415mm, I'm not sure it'll work for me.

Not sure I understand. Why not?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:20
Endpoint
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Tarck colorway....

So to keep things cheaper for now I am doing ALL frames in black. However Tarck version will have color decals and fork.

So... I have narrowed down the fork/decal color to magenta or high vis yellow. Sparkles are probable (in the black as well) but not 100% yet.

For those of you who have emailed me and are seriously interested which color do you want to see more?

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:25
ergott
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DGAF.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:26
akasnowmaaan
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Between those two, DGAF.

That said, can I pay extra for the whole bike to be a certain color? Anyone else with me on that?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:31
asterisk
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Anything high vis. Sparkles are a plus but color must be blinding.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:29
balonya
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Is it safe to say that this would ride very much like a colossal. gun shy after not loving last frame I bought without riding ... I am in the interested zone, but have not emailed yet .... would want all black. Flat black is best.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:35
ergott
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A durable finish far more important. What a durable paint? Imron?

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:38
imoscardotcom
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sold on both magenta and high-vis yellow.

by color decals, do you mean like tarck rainbow, or just matching whatever the fork color ends up being?

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:13
NOVELTYNAME
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flat black or gloss black
i will paint splatter at my leisure if i end up buying it

flat black will make gloss splatter more appealing

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:47
deadforkinglast
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Gloss black is easy to clean and is black. And cheap to get done in a nice, strong coat. Let's be reasonable here.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:52
NOVELTYNAME
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fuck being reasonable, this is tarck

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 14:55
deadforkinglast
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Fuck not being able to use bike lust. Flat finishes look cool at first, but it's an asspain to keep them looking clean.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:16
imoscardotcom
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i'm against matte too

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:12
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #76)

Edit: goddammit.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:16
akasnowmaaan
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I want eye-bleeding Magenta or Yellow and I'm willing to get the frame raw (and the decals dropped in the box) and do it myself if necessary.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:19
NoahGenda
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Yeah no matte, gloss black
Magenta decals leads to 3DV ano
High Vis decals leads to ano rainbow
I am into both of these things.

Also, should I expect an email back or not yet?

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:19
Endpoint
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Will be taking care of emails soon.. .... buttslammed at the shop and leaving for 3 days so extra crazy

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:26
NoahGenda
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No sweat, was just curious if there was a tarck code I should have used

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:28
NOVELTYNAME
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Secret buttshake

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 15:41
bward1028
(Reply to #82)

bward1028 wrote:
What sort of front rack is this designed around then?

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 16:44
Endpoint
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Nitto/Riv style jawn. Hoping to have U.S. made ones for 2nd batch but not sure

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 16:55
balonya
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(Reply to #84)

bradencbc wrote:
buttslammed at the shop and leaving for 3 days so extra crazy

That's a good problem.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 17:20
Bahamontes
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(Reply to #85)

kevinwulf wrote:
Bahamontes wrote:
Fuck I thought you were gonna procrastinate a lil more.

Fuck. Want to do this just discussed budget with Ashley to include no new bikes.

I'm totally going to have to sell my trackbike and race the NJS.

Sell the Mash. Please.

No way bro the MASH is dopesmoke.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 18:41
Sneaky Viking
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tc: less stoked on black

does it really make that much price difference to have one batch powdercoated a color other than black?

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 19:05
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #87)

Sneaky Viking wrote:
tc: less stoked on black

does it really make that much price difference to have one batch powdercoated a color other than black?

Yeah. If it's a matter of cost, can you just run the numbers with/without and let us know in an email and let us decide if it's worth it?

Maybe I'm alone in this, but this feels like a bike I'd ride the shit out of and never consider quick-flipping. If we're already getting a shopbro deal, then a 'not quite an awesome shopbro deal but still cheaper than getting it done ourselves' seems fair. I know I'd be OK with it.

I... I just want an all-yellow or magenta bike with Tarckbear on it.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 19:55
halbritt
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Send me a batch of raw frames and I'll take care of it.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 19:52
akasnowmaaan
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^^ Spectrum. Right?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 19:57
Patch
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would we ever be able to decide on a color?

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 19:57
akasnowmaaan
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I'd be fine with any of the Tarck kit colors - Cyan, Magenta, Yellow.
I'd be fine picking it with a game of Rashambo.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 20:01
jeffro
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(Reply to #92)

bradencbc wrote:
Tarck colorway....

So to keep things cheaper for now I am doing ALL frames in black. However Tarck version will have color decals and fork.

So... I have narrowed down the fork/decal color to magenta or high vis yellow. Sparkles are probable (in the black as well) but not 100% yet.

For those of you who have emailed me and are seriously interested which color do you want to see more?

The magenta, please.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 20:07
b-roll
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Why you gotta do this now?
And, I too wonder why not a frameset--trying to get more than 2 tarckers to agree on a color, much less a whole build, sounds like herding cats.

Best of luck!

"You know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But fuck it, I still love it."

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 21:34
halbritt
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(Reply to #94)

akasnowmaaan wrote:
halbritt wrote:
Found the threads, thanks. At 415mm, I'm not sure it'll work for me.

Not sure I understand. Why not?

Present fork is 395mm

akasnowmaaan wrote:
^^ Spectrum. Right?

Nah. I know some local dudes that are good, cheap, and reliable. (Maas Brothers) I also know some other dudes that are mediocre, hella cheap, and unreliable.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 22:37
jimmythefly
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Bros unless something has changed, I still see frame/fork option right thar on page 1.

bradencbc wrote:
I'm planning on the following:

Frame/fork
Frame/fork/calipers/rotors/compressionless housing
Complete bike 1 Apexish, very basic parts, but good sealed bearing hubs probably to Hed Belgiums or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 2 Rival or 105, mid range build kit, sealed hubs to Belgium or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 3 Force, 3T level cockpit, Fizik saddle, sealed hubs probably to China carbon rims, Challenge Eroica or Almanzo

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 22:48
deadforkinglast
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Well I just want a black bike, dammit. I guess a hi-viz fork would be pretty rad.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 01:42
balonya
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(Reply to #97)

jimmythefly wrote:
Bros unless something has changed, I still see frame/fork option right thar on page 1.

bradencbc wrote:
I'm planning on the following:

Frame/fork
Frame/fork/calipers/rotors/compressionless housing
Complete bike 1 Apexish, very basic parts, but good sealed bearing hubs probably to Hed Belgiums or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 2 Rival or 105, mid range build kit, sealed hubs to Belgium or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 3 Force, 3T level cockpit, Fizik saddle, sealed hubs probably to China carbon rims, Challenge Eroica or Almanzo

Option one and two
cant imagine option two being anything but a great deal even if you dont need the fork.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 01:43
Blakey
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(Reply to #98)

wintrotta wrote:
flat black or gloss black
i will paint splatter at my leisure if i end up buying it

flat black will make gloss splatter more appealing

Are you in my head? I'm about to flat black / rainbow splatter a frame!

Also, emailed.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 02:26
cheese
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Really didn't expect this to come together so quickly & I'm definitely not in bike-buying season right now. Guess I'll wait for the next batch.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:51
oogens
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(Reply to #100)

halbritt wrote:

akasnowmaaan wrote:
^^ Spectrum. Right?

Nah. I know some local dudes that are good, cheap, and reliable. (Maas Brothers) I also know some other dudes that are mediocre, hella cheap, and unreliable.

Tarck groupbuy? Option 2 is the only option then

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:21

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