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Endpoint bikes thread

I'm breaking this out of the CBC thread to keep it simple.

Geometry is finalized and we are about to go forward with production on the first round of frames. Once we have these in hand and everything is up to stuff I will be putting in a second order.

That second order will include a special tarck color (or black) and special tarck deal.

IF you are seriously interested in getting one send me a proper email. I won't be discussing tarck pricing on tarck to keep things clean.

I reserve the right to refuse to deal with anyone on here so noobs don't expect anything.

Please don't ask or discuss the tarck deal on tarck. EMAIL me

In the meantime feel free to tell me how to spec this bike unless you have an unhealthy hate for AVID bb7 brakes. I'm planning on the following:

Frame/fork
Frame/fork/calipers/rotors/compressionless housing
Complete bike 1 Apexish, very basic parts, but good sealed bearing hubs probably to Hed Belgiums or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 2 Rival or 105, mid range build kit, sealed hubs to Belgium or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 3 Force, 3T level cockpit, Fizik saddle, sealed hubs probably to China carbon rims, Challenge Eroica or Almanzo

More info to come...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:09
NOVELTYNAME
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paint match fenders? fork rack? maybe an option for the fsa crank you were raving about?

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:27
jimmythefly
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Are you going to have to put reflectors and stuff on these? I would find that hilarious.

edit to add:
Is Rival that much differentiated from Apex? I think bike 1 or 2 needs Shimano.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:48
Endpoint
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No color matching for now.

Still open on the whole SRAM - Shimano thing want to get feedback from as many people as possible on this.

Base model will be Apex for sure but the mid range one is where I'm looking for the most input.

I don't see us shipping "complete" bikes so will probably just toss a bag of reflectors in the parts box

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:02
NoahGenda
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Complete bike 2: Ultegra is cheaper than Rival and would be a better step up from Apex and bike 1 to make it worthwhile.

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:16
NoahGenda
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In my opinion the total shralping nature of a disc bike lends to Shimano over SRAM, except the Apex on bike one or Force on 3.
My opinion is that Ultegra is far superior to mid grade sram offerings.

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:18
anomaly

That is not an opinion, it is a fact.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:35
Endpoint
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Do you guys think there is good reason to spec ultegra over 105?

Not much tangible difference in performance atmo and I will probably spec the fsa energy crank which I lighter than either Shimano offering.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:38
Endpoint
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Also Shimano chains/cassette on all 3.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:39
akasnowmaaan
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Can you post the full specs/idea here? I can't really find it in one place in the other thread.

Looks like a disk brake fendered front rack bike, in a tarck color scheme. Is that it?

If so, I may be in. That is, if it's OS tubing on the larger sizes so I won't flex the fuck out of it.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:51
balonya
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(Reply to #10)

akasnowmaaan wrote:
Can you post the full specs/idea here? .

SO are you putting out one bike now or is there a 2nd model?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:55
NoahGenda
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I dont think Ultegra is light years ahead of 105, but it feels "crisper" to me.
What I see a lot of bigger companies do is the 105 FD/Crank/brakes Ultegra RD/Shifters on their more "premium" models

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:03
Endpoint
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To recap for Snowmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn

"endurance road" bike geo with clearance for 35c tires.
Fender and front rack mounts
Nice short chainstays and oversized tubing
dick braks
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along
bigger sizes will get more oversized tubes... baby sizes will get less
technically just comes in black but thre will be tarck colorway, powdercoated coz wet paint is spensive
100% made in usa
fully tigged unicrown fork

One model for now... 3 more by then end of 2014

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:10
oogens
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Do you have a rough idea on timing?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:24
Endpoint
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6-8 weeks for 1st batch I think. Then another 6-8 for 2nd. Should have a more concrete time frame in a couple days.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:50
Fergie

bradencbc wrote:
I'm breaking this out of the CBC thread to keep it simple.

Geometry is finalized and we are about to go forward with production on the first round of frames. Once we have these in hand and everything is up to stuff I will be putting in a second order.

That second order will include a special tarck color (or black) and special tarck deal.

IF you are seriously interested in getting one send me a proper email. I won't be discussing tarck pricing on tarck to keep things clean.

I reserve the right to refuse to deal with anyone on here so noobs don't expect anything.

Please don't ask or discuss the tarck deal on tarck. EMAIL me

In the meantime feel free to tell me how to spec this bike unless you have an unhealthy hate for AVID bb7 brakes. I'm planning on the following:

Frame/fork
Frame/fork/calipers/rotors/compressionless housing
Complete bike 1 Apexish, very basic parts, but good sealed bearing hubs probably to Hed Belgiums or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 2 Rival or 105, mid range build kit, sealed hubs to Belgium or Archtypes, Resist Nomads
Complete bike 3 Force, 3T level cockpit, Fizik saddle, sealed hubs probably to China carbon rims, Challenge Eroica or Almanzo

More info to come...

End Point is two words, goddamnit. Doesn't anyone know AMA style here except me?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:51
Sneaky Viking
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PROPER. NOUN.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:54
Sneaky Viking
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MAYBE A NAME.
IDK AMA

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:56
NoahGenda
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(Reply to #18)

Fergie wrote:
End Point is two words, goddamnit. Doesn't anyone know AMA style here except me?

Sorry buddy but my math/science self disagrees
Endpoint in chemistry is the conclusion of a reaction, or the termination of a ray in Geometry

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 18:10
Fergie

Seriously I don't care. All the medical writers will point and laugh though.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 18:13
halbritt
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(Reply to #20)

bradencbc wrote:
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along

Why the fuck doesn't someone make this fork?

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 18:24
Bahamontes
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Fuck I thought you were gonna procrastinate a lil more.

Fuck. Want to do this just discussed budget with Ashley to include no new bikes.

I'm totally going to have to sell my trackbike and race the NJS.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 18:50
NOVELTYNAME
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HAHAHAHA
discussed with wife about bike purchase
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
moar like
easier to ask for forgiveness than permission

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:03
NOVELTYNAME
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"GET RID OF IT!"
"its, uh, sort of custom"
"GET RID OF IT"
"i cant, really"

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:04
NoahGenda
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That was a great one thousandth post Scott
Congrats

The best type of fit advice is internet fit advice.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:04
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #25)

halbritt wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along

Why the fuck doesn't someone make this fork?

This so much.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:09
Petr5
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(Reply to #26)

NoahGenda wrote:
Fergie wrote:
End Point is two words, goddamnit. Doesn't anyone know AMA style here except me?

Sorry buddy but my math/science self disagrees
Endpoint in chemistry is the conclusion of a reaction, or the termination of a ray in Geometry

Bro... reactions don't conclude, they equilibrate. Also, you gonna defer spelling to the math and science departments even though the english dept. is right across the quad?

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your bike sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:22
akasnowmaaan
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This place is the worst.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 20:19
kevinwulf
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(Reply to #28)

Bahamontes wrote:
Fuck I thought you were gonna procrastinate a lil more.

Fuck. Want to do this just discussed budget with Ashley to include no new bikes.

I'm totally going to have to sell my trackbike and race the NJS.

Sell the Mash. Please.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 20:41
Ashes Dust
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LOL.

Edit: at Snowman.

LOL. Stay right there. Imma go put some cones out. - Heath
edit2: dont GIS, i did, dont. NSFW - Miguel

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 20:43
bward1028

No rear rack?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 21:25
Endpoint
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Revelate bag or get a slower bike.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 21:43
turpencat
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emailed you.
interest in frame.

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 21:59
bward1028

What sort of front rack is this designed around then?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 21:59
turpencat
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(Reply to #34)

bward1028 wrote:
What sort of front rack is this designed around then?

johnnyraja wrote:
If you've never done it then yes, it's very surprising.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 22:01
hamb3ik
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I would just do two build options, one with apex and one with 105. Cheapest of the worthy options and gives a SRAM/shimano choice to customer. Archetypes over belgiums to keep the cost down. I would scratch the 3rd complete option and just do custom builds for individual customers who need nicer shifty bits and name brand components. That way they can get hydraulic red, CK hubs/headset, zero setback Thomson and whatever else makes them happy.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 22:30
JUGE FREDD
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bradencbc wrote:
Complete bike 3 Force, 3T level cockpit, Fizik saddle, sealed hubs probably to China carbon rims, Challenge Eroica or Almanzo

Which china carbon rims?

I'd be scared shitless of selling the MTB ones for use with ~35mm tires — most people are gonna want to go over 40psi, and your average dumbass is gonna go for 80psi. Asplosion imminent.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 22:35
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #37)

NoahGenda wrote:
In my opinion the total shralping nature of a disc bike lends to Shimano over SRAM, except the Apex on bike one or Force on 3.
My opinion is that Ultegra is far superior to mid grade sram offerings.

Indeed, and you could use the CX-75 brakes with the matching cable pull on the Shimano option

gt35built wrote:
I would just do two build options, one with apex and one with 105. Cheapest of the worthy options and gives a SRAM/shimano choice to customer. Archetypes over belgiums to keep the cost down. I would scratch the 3rd complete option and just do custom builds for individual customers who need nicer shifty bits and name brand components. That way they can get hydraulic red, CK hubs/headset, zero setback Thomson and whatever else makes them happy.

This is very smart

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 22:38
jeffro
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Emailed you. Interested in mid-range build.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 22:41
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #39)

halbritt wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along

Why the fuck doesn't someone make this fork?

One example exists, and a whole bunch of eurobros are way into it: http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw=TRIGON+FULL+CARBON+RIGID+MTB+XC+Disc+FORK+26%22++480g

Ritchey used to sell forks out of the same mold for $500

It's really a susp-corrected 26" fork though, so ~415mm a-c

It's extremely unlikely that another model like that will appear, because the EU failure testing spec has gotten more demanding. You kinda need a tapered steerer to pass the test without the production costs being too high.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 22:44
Cy Trivialities
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so tempted to email... but i have absolutely no reason to...

hmmm, maybe just to see price.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 23:55
yonderboy
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(Reply to #41)

turpencat wrote:
bward1028 wrote:
What sort of front rack is this designed around then?

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 00:09
halbritt
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I don't know who those people are, but I like them.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 00:11
halbritt
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(Reply to #43)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
halbritt wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
steel frame/fork fork designed for cross range a2c (396mm) to allow for possible upgrades down the road if a full carbon non tapered cross disc fork comes along

Why the fuck doesn't someone make this fork?

One example exists, and a whole bunch of eurobros are way into it: http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_kw=TRIGON+FULL+CARBON+RIGID+MTB+XC+Disc+FORK+26%22++480g

Ritchey used to sell forks out of the same mold for $500

It's really a susp-corrected 26" fork though, so ~415mm a-c

It's extremely unlikely that another model like that will appear, because the EU failure testing spec has gotten more demanding. You kinda need a tapered steerer to pass the test without the production costs being too high.

Which eurobros? More details?

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 00:17
aerobear
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Just fired off an email

might be liquidating some bikes this summer and i'm definitely selling my car, so i should have the $$....

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 00:32
Petr5
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This bike overlaps like three of mine. I should be consolidating cuz likely apartment life soon, but I buy bikes, not sell them.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your bike sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 00:36
littletinyfish
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And here I was just wondering if we were gonna put in another kit order...

this was a big deal a hundred years ago when everything sucked balls ---match avatar

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 00:53
liquify
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lol.^ I was thinking we needed some more fun like that soon.

I am in. Will likely sell off the casseroll when it arrives.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 01:16
akasnowmaaan
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I'm in, if you have a size that fits.

No way I'm going to let a Tarck-specific bike like this that checks all my boxes pass me by.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 01:53
oogens
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Was planning on getting a Kona Jake since its cheap and kinda close to what I want, but I'm pretty sure braden's bike is exactly right. Time to start pinching pennies

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 03:56
ergott
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Velocity Synergy rims are less expensive, and very durable. Good option if you want to keep the cost down. You can even get them unmachined.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Fri, 04/19/2013 - 07:24

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