Juan Pelota Finally Caves

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ryanoceros
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Considering it's a threshold drug with a specific level of permitted use that's been in place for a number of years and only a handful of people have been tripped up by it, yeah it shouldn't even make the news. But you have an experienced champion elite athlete making a rookie mistake and hoping it will just go away. And the most well funded team in the sport able to keep it out of the news for almost three months until they admitted it moments before it was to be made public? I don't care if there's a proven enhancement or not. Fuck Froome and Sky.

They're the ones still trying hard as fuck to make a buck off of the fact that Santa and the Easter Bunny still exist. How are they not just like the current Republican leadership boldly telling lies that only benefits the powerful while duping just enough voters poorly educated for over a generation to vote against their interests? How are they any different than Putin running a state sponsored doping program to hijack an Olympics for political gain? Rupert Murdoch has found the best green wash for his bullshit. I'm not going to complain if they can only get Al Capone on taxes.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 08:48
fixed
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froome just blocked me on twitter so i think i'm doing it right.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 09:31
Endpoint
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X posted to bro-cycling as well...

Occam’s razor people... most likely answer is he pushed the limits with the puffer he had a TUE for. Inrng has what seems to be a pretty reasonable take on it.

I see no reason to suggest Sky is “clean” but a bag of blood in final 1/4 of the Vuelta? Come on. The risk of getting a hit on jacked blood values is about as high as taking EPO (especially because these days they know exactly what a bag of blood looks like near the end of a grand tour).

Amateur as fuck. Especially considering it’s the Vuelta not LeTour.

I just don’t see Sky/Froome taking that particular risk.

Now it’s use as a masking agent for something newer / harder to test for / more sinister? Sure. We can go down that conspiracy rabbit hole.

If it is an effective masking agent for something new, then that would be more the Sky MO. Get a TUE for a masking agent. The near perfect crime.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 11:59
Endpoint
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Over half the peloton has a TUE for this stuff. Marginal gains... not wanting to fall behind... exercise induced asthma... whatever.

I don't get the hate for Sky more than any other team. They are not the only ones acting like angels, they are not the only ones flying close to the sun with Sub and they are not the first to get popped.

Now, if the UCI and WADA let this slide when they hit guys like Pettachi for the same thing, that's something to get butt frustrated about.

Or their ability to buy up enough talent to isolate guys like Nibali before the race has started. That's bad for the sport.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 12:04
kmcdon
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I hate pro cycling.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 12:09
Endpoint
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I get annoyed with it... but it's better than sportsball at least.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 12:11
iwillbe
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(Reply to #1357)

Endpoint wrote:
I get annoyed with it... but it's better than sportsball at least.

Bikes vs Balls:
It honestly seems like the same shit, different venue. I'm probably looking at this through rose colored lenses, but the big pro teams of our day seem more intensively and strategically managed than, say La Vie Claire or Molteni or whoever. The biographies and sport histories I've read make pro racing sound pretty shambolic until like, the Festina affair / EPO era.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 13:01
lukasz
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brightly colored bikes moving through pretty scenery

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 13:35
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I never singled out Sky for any particular amount of criticism. They’re all cheating and Sky got caught. Sucks to be them. The sport sucks and is dying and this will hasten its death.

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Thu, 12/14/2017 - 13:49
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #1360)

Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
I never singled out Sky for any particular amount of criticism. They’re all cheating and Sky got caught. Sucks to be them. The sport sucks and is dying and this will hasten its death.

Unfortunately all sport is dirty, and the ones that try to do something about it just end up looking dirtier. If there is money there is cheating. I hate the Olympics more than anything. My dream Olympics is, the sports for the upcoming Olympics are announced 3-4 months out, and each time they are completely different. That would stop all the 4-8 year training/doping and talent identification plans that small countries cant afford to mess with anyway.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 16:05
b-roll
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and we'd have international crossfit. It's a devil's bargain, but might be worth it.
I say we do that and then raffle it to send random citizens of whatever age bracket from every country. Put that on your cereal box!

"Long story short: I'm stupid, but stupid like a fox."

Fri, 12/15/2017 - 20:26
halbritt
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“Cheating” is not a Boolean value.

Everyone is cheated by to some degree or other.

This is nothing. Froome’s rise to the top of the sport is questionable. Probably best not to stress about it. In ten years we’ll likely know the truth.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 12/15/2017 - 21:40
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #1363)

b-roll wrote:
and we'd have international crossfit. It's a devil's bargain, but might be worth it.
I say we do that and then raffle it to send random citizens of whatever age bracket from every country. Put that on your cereal box!

That was actually part of my original plan, plus having them all locked up for the following 3 months to keep them drug free, but then I think about how many drugs there are in prison, and I pass on that idea. Anyway. I'm sure it would make a great movie. An ever changing modern decathalon, with downhilling, kite boarding, cage fighting etc.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Fri, 12/15/2017 - 22:30
eric_ssucks
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New idea: Each country sends their best, and they are sequestered for 4 months, learning a new sport and forming new teams. At the end of 4 months, we watch the teams compete. And when it is over, the team with the lowest number of successes (however defined) is eaten is sent home. Repeat. Winners get a year of free meals at a restaurant of their choice and a new motor scooter.

Sat, 12/16/2017 - 02:59
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #1365)

Yeah, kinda like the Hunger games, and the winners get free maccas. Shouldn't be hard to find a sponsor.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Sat, 12/16/2017 - 03:15
lukasz
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(Reply to #1366)

halbritt wrote:
“Cheating” is not a Boolean value.

Everyone is cheated by to some degree or other.

This is nothing. Froome’s rise to the top of the sport is questionable. Probably best not to stress about it. In ten years we’ll likely know the truth.

I find this case entertaining precisely because the team that is best at "marginal gains" got popped for such a minute thing. Imagine running a perfect program for this many years and then getting caught like this. Like a formula 1 driver getting in a car accident driving his minivan home from the racetrack.

Sat, 12/16/2017 - 15:16
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #1367)

That's right. Which is why something smells wrong. Its like Shumacher running out of petrol in a GP at half way. It beggars belief, especially when you look at how many puffs you'd need to take to get that reading, assuming it wasn't ingested. No way an outfit likeSKY would make a mistake like that.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Sat, 12/16/2017 - 16:06
fixed
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Everyone eventually makes a mistake. If you make a mistake and you're not doped, it means you just have a really bad day on the bike. If you make a mistake and you're doped, it means you get caught.

Fri, 01/05/2018 - 06:33
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Exactly. Some blood bag got mixed up, or someone forgot to set an egg timer the night before, etc. It was just something minor, but that's all it takes.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Fri, 01/05/2018 - 11:23
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Mon, 03/05/2018 - 13:56
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 03/05/2018 - 14:02
cousinmosquito
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TTSed this on my ride this morning. They might as well give up. Looks like they have already.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/sports/doping-thomas-mann-peptides.html

More wonderful than you can believe it

Wed, 03/28/2018 - 19:14
lofarkas
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Sounds like that dude had a pretty major operation, and LE has been watching him for a while, and the source of the stuff is not known? WTF? My guess is he ordered his shit in bulk from some lab in China, but how did the cops not find out about that?

Thu, 03/29/2018 - 04:28
Petr5
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So that took me down a pretty long rabbit hole... If any of you are interested in making a purchase, google Naps Gear*. I don't even want to leave a link back to here haha.

*You know it's legit when they don't take credit cards XD

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Thu, 03/29/2018 - 05:40
crabbi
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In other LA news, Mellow Johnnies announced it was no longer selling Vista products on FB and the crown went NUTS.

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if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Thu, 03/29/2018 - 11:21
ryker

At least they have balls.

Thu, 03/29/2018 - 12:24
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #1377)

ryker wrote:
At least they have balls.

smiley

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 03/29/2018 - 23:58
eric_ssucks
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Tom Jones on Facebutt wrote:
· 22 hours ago
The reason I liked Mellow Johnnie's was due to Lance Armstrong and the awe inspiring things he was able to do, mainly re energizing the sport of cycling, which Mellow Johnnie's was a part of.

But then they had to go off the deep end screaming to the whole planet that they're a shop full of ignorant liberals by dragging millions of law abiding firearms owners through the mud over simple membership in a PAC that counters their beliefs. Stupid is stupid, it doesn't really matter what your political leanings are at that point.

Fri, 03/30/2018 - 15:38
halbritt
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wat?

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sat, 03/31/2018 - 01:42
eric_ssucks
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Yeah.

Sat, 03/31/2018 - 12:41
Shortpants
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So they take a stand against a political point they disagree with and the response is to take a stand against the countering political belief and claim it's because it's stupid to take a political stand?

Sat, 03/31/2018 - 16:22
iwillbe
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Hey Timmy Smith, 5th grader in Ms. Gunderson's homeroom, who's your biggest hero?:

"The reason I liked Mellow Johnnie's was due to Lance Armstrong and the awe inspiring things he was able to do, mainly re energizing the sport of cycling, which Mellow Johnnie's was a part of."

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Sat, 03/31/2018 - 18:09
ryanoceros
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http://www.velonews.com/2018/04/news/armstrong-settles-federal-lawsuit-5-million-will-pay-1-65-million-to-landis_463815

Slap on the wrist? More like a tap on the shoulder and an ahem. How many years need to pass before he can rehab his image enough to enter politics?

Thu, 04/19/2018 - 17:32
deadforkinglast
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Damn, that is basically no consequence.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 00:56
halbritt
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The federal lawsuit was bullshit in any case. They got their money's worth.

I'm surprised that Landis didn't get more in damages.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 02:08
Shortpants
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It was bullshit in comparison to how much he owed in insurance repayments for awards fraudulently won. Dude owed like $60MM.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 02:10
Tail Hook Lengthener
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That Landis got anything more than a steaming hot turd in this matter is what upsets me.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 10:02
ryanoceros
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Despite his less than clean hands I think he's OK for standing up to omerta while most shat their pants. Even if it took a few years of stewing in it. I am curious if he still feels some need to make due for the Floyd Fairness Fund bullshit.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:26
ryanoceros
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(Reply to #1389)

halbritt wrote:
The federal lawsuit was bullshit in any case. They got their money's worth.

I'm surprised that Landis didn't get more in damages.

It wouldn't surprise me if after his legal bills he's mostly satisfied with the years he's been able to sit back and watch a sociopath squirm. I think he's due some chunk of the $5 million awarded to the government. That doesn't sound too bad in the long run considering where things were in 2009.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:32
lukasz
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just over 1 million plus legal fees that were another 1.6 mil or so iirc

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:38
euclid
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yeah that's right I think. there's a piece in the atlantic profiling landis right now.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:49
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #1392)

ryanoceros wrote:
Despite his less than clean hands I think he's OK for standing up to omerta while most shat their pants. Even if it took a few years of stewing in it. I am curious if he still feels some need to make due for the Floyd Fairness Fund bullshit.

Stood up my ass. More like he got caught red handed and lied continuously, until it was to his financial benefit to tell the truth. Floyd is just as slimy as everyone else, maybe even more so, but he's significantly stupider and more cowardly.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 11:50
Todd
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Yeah, he is a lil crybaby tattle tale.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:26
ryanoceros
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More cowardly? Do you recall where things were in 2009 before he came forward in 2010 and started the whole shitstorm? More cowardly than George Hincapie? Christian Vande Velde? Tom, Tyler, Levi? Than Stephanie McIlvain who turned on the Andreu's and lied under oath due to pressure from Lance and Oakley her employer? At least Dave Zabriskie tried to tell Steve Johnson about what was going on when he was CEO of USA Cycling but got nowhere. If Floyd was such a coward and so stupid then why did he succeed in stripping away the lies shrouding Armstrong's politically powerful cancer jesus myth and break open wide cycling omerta where no one else was able to do so?

Standing up to Armstrong and the cycling establishment was not without considerable risk especially considering how far down the rope he'd fallen attempting to play the doping positive game the acceptable way. This was the dominate narrative at the outset:

"It is his word versus ours," Armstrong said in May 2010 after Landis confessed. "We like our word. We like where we stand, and we like our credibility. I don’t think there is a lot of credibility on the other side."

Now we all can confidently throw Armstrong under the same bus he so confidently threw Landis under eight years ago. And hopefully we're all a little less naive and so easily suckered into believing the lies of bullies. I wish more Americans had been as skeptical in November 2016.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:30
halbritt
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My main issue with Fed's lawsuit is that they were effectively suing him for not getting what they paid for. They got exactly what they paid for. He was a fucking advertising juggern

All the damage he did to those around him along the way is especially reprehensible. The fact that he was on PEDs like everyone else is no big deal. The degree to which he advanced the art of PED usage and the willingness to destroy others, well...

That's not really a civil issue.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:35
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Tail Hook Lengthener wrote:
ryanoceros wrote:
Despite his less than clean hands I think he's OK for standing up to omerta while most shat their pants. Even if it took a few years of stewing in it. I am curious if he still feels some need to make due for the Floyd Fairness Fund bullshit.

Stood up my ass. More like he got caught red handed and lied continuously, until it was to his financial benefit to tell the truth. Floyd is just as slimy as everyone else, maybe even more so, but he's significantly stupider and more cowardly.

The real crime was this bar angle.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 13:48
lukasz
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floyd is fucking awesome

a representation of the blundering loser in all of us, and he got the best of the fucking cocky jock. and he smokes trees.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 14:09
ckd
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Pretty stoked that Floyd gets his payout on 4/20.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 16:08
chairmandave
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Floyd is ready for Yeezy season.

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 16:24
lukasz
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(Reply to #1400)

ckd wrote:
Pretty stoked that Floyd gets his payout on 4/20.

whoa

Fri, 04/20/2018 - 17:27

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