Juan Pelota Finally Caves

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ryanoceros
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I'm certainly happy I wasn't East German.

http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/43/7/1262

Broadly speaking, sport is an evolutionary arms race. Outside of a few exceptions that rise to the top and are given special privileges, most athletes are caught in the middle. Juan Pelota is probably the most famous of the special privilege crowd that through his exception has significantly changed attitudes in the peloton. Keep your mouth shut and head down and don't do anything stupid has been significantly reinforced. A reinforcement of a critical aspect of omerta. Try really hard not to be a vindictive asshole is about all I think that was absorbed in the long term.

Most sponsors don't give a shit about the dope question and would rather not know. Even the governing bodies don't really give a shit. Just look at the scandals at FIFA, IAAF, WADA, IOC, etc. If you dig into the T&F scandals and have a conscience, you might not buy Nike ever again. I think cycling has a better reputation these days, but barely.

We feed underprivileged kids across the globe into this mess, celebrate them after they've embraced the flawed system and succeed, and then cast them aside when the establishment can't suck anymore out of them. Fat rich corrupt (mostly) men continue to benefit from the workhorses we admire. I'd rather that money went to passionate workhorse athletes like Adam Myerson.

Speaking of which, has anyone been following along with this?

https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/gaimon-begins-retirement-by-hunting-banned-riders-strava-koms/

Thu, 03/09/2017 - 18:16
Endpoint
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Fuck yes I have.

Thu, 03/09/2017 - 18:40
crabbi
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that is awesome to see unfold.

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if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Thu, 03/09/2017 - 18:59
fixed
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oh absolutely
he did an interview with myerson on that myerson line podcast and it was pretty cool
myerson's podcast is basically "let me talk about myself for 55 of the 60 minutes under the guise of interviewing someone else"
i'm sure he'll find this from googling but FUCK IT the interviews are not as good as they should be

Fri, 03/10/2017 - 13:53
Wintage Townie
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Myerson talking about himself? NO FUCKING WAY!

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Fri, 03/10/2017 - 14:07
fixed
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don't listen to the podcast then. here is a sample:
- "i'd like to introduce my dear friend from long ago BIKE RACER NAME HERE it's so great to have you on the show we've been planning this for months finally got it all set up how are you?"
- "fi-"
- "WHERE did we even meet? i know it was a long time ago and i'd already been racing for years because i started racing so young"
- "i think it w-"
- "i'm pretty sure my first memory was you at BIKE RACE NAME HERE where we did INSERT RANDOM BIKE RACE SHIT HERE"
- "no, i wasn't at that race"
- "oh you're right you're right i'd done that race so many times in my very long career i had completely forgotten you're so inexperienced but man let me tell you about some of my results from that race and that's where i met OTHER BIKE RACER and THIRD BIKE RACER and i finished in the pack one year and i'd love to live there but it's just too hot"

Mon, 03/13/2017 - 12:12
ryanoceros
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LOL. I almost want to listen to it now. I check out his social media from time to time and he seems pretty down to earth.

Tue, 03/14/2017 - 13:03
Sneaky Viking
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Amdy Sanberg Finally Cycles

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 19:59
NOVELTYNAME
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I feel like that movie is going to be the cycling equivalent of portlandia and everyone I know is going to ask me if that's like real life. Then I'm going to tell them it is and ask if they can ask their doctor for some steroids because I've already shopped around

"Folks want options!"

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 20:38
ckd
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^ I play tennis from time to time and nobody has ever asked me a single question about 7 Days in Hell.

-is a sandwich
-is a REAL doctor

Sat, 05/20/2017 - 22:06
NOVELTYNAME
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Mario tennis doesn't count

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 00:04
Shortpants
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(Reply to #1312)

ckd wrote:
^ I play tennis from time to time and nobody has ever asked me a single question about 7 Days in Hell.

Because a total of maybe 14 people actually saw that movie.

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 14:56
littletinyfish
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Oh shit, Daveed Diggs on a basket bike? I fuckin' love clipping. https://clppng.bandcamp.com/album/midcity

this was a big deal a hundred years ago when everything sucked balls ---match avatar

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 17:12
ckd
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(Reply to #1314)

Straws wrote:
ckd wrote:
^ I play tennis from time to time and nobody has ever asked me a single question about 7 Days in Hell.

Because a total of maybe 14 people actually saw that movie.

And around 17 are gonna see this one.

-is a sandwich
-is a REAL doctor

Sun, 05/21/2017 - 17:29
kmcdon
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I'm about 99.999% sure that I saw Lance eating lunch at the Woody Creek Tavern eating lunch yesterday after my hike. I know he lives there, and he was wearing a stages podcast shirt, and was obviously Lance.

After I told my friends about it they were all "why didn't you go give him shit about doping?" I know they were just joking, but the dude was eating lunch with his kid and probably has to deal with that shit every day.

We initially didn't realize that he lived there, until Ladybiek looked it up and found this: http://www.westword.com/news/lance-armstrongs-aspen-car-crash-lie-haunts-him-thanks-to-fed-lawsuit-6365462

Mon, 07/31/2017 - 12:30
ryanoceros
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If I ever met the dude there are a million other things we could talk about than doping.

Now this dude, if I saw him out in public, I'd have no problem giving him shit.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/italian-amateur-53-denies-motor-cheating-accusation_444978

Mon, 07/31/2017 - 18:54
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Tue, 08/15/2017 - 14:19
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #1318)

ryanoceros wrote:
If I ever met the dude there are a million other things we could talk about than doping.

Now this dude, if I saw him out in public, I'd have no problem giving him shit.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/italian-amateur-53-denies-motor-cheating-accusation_444978

"Andreoli suggested he was the victim of a stitch-up motivated by jealousy over his “high standard of living.”
“Obviously someone doesn’t like me,” he said. “I’ve been a tiler for many years, and I earn a lot.”
Shite, maybe I wont rush into getting the kitchen finished off...

Tue, 08/15/2017 - 21:00
Wintage Townie
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(Reply to #1319)

That interview is great. I have felt for a while that pro cycling was on the edge of a bubble that was about to burst, seems like Floyd thinks the same thing.

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Tue, 08/15/2017 - 23:08
lofarkas
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Landis is full of shit as ever. He acts like he spilled the beans on his own doping of his own accord, which is laughable. Then he goes on to whine about how his victimization failed to clean up the sport, like some messiah who died on the cross in vain.

Wed, 08/16/2017 - 06:10
iwillbe
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(Reply to #1321)

lofarkas wrote:
Landis is full of shit as ever. He acts like he spilled the beans on his own doping of his own accord, which is laughable. Then he goes on to whine about how his victimization failed to clean up the sport, like some messiah who died on the cross in vain.

I don't love his tone either, but he makes some good points about the drabness of modern pro road racing. I don't know what to make of his argument that rich, fitness-obsessed Americans shouldered their way into Europe and made everyone treat doping as a moral issue, it feels like an unecessary triangulation.

Wed, 08/16/2017 - 08:13
ryanoceros
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(Reply to #1322)

lofarkas wrote:
Landis is full of shit as ever. He acts like he spilled the beans on his own doping of his own accord, which is laughable. Then he goes on to whine about how his victimization failed to clean up the sport, like some messiah who died on the cross in vain.

I'm not sure I've ever seen him claim he spilled the beans of his own accord. The quote most often ascribed to him regarding his motivations is that the mob has more honor than professional cycling as they protect their own.

Wed, 08/16/2017 - 11:29
lofarkas
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(Reply to #1323)

ryanoceros wrote:
lofarkas wrote:
Landis is full of shit as ever. He acts like he spilled the beans on his own doping of his own accord, which is laughable. Then he goes on to whine about how his victimization failed to clean up the sport, like some messiah who died on the cross in vain.

I'm not sure I've ever seen him claim he spilled the beans of his own accord. The quote most often ascribed to him regarding his motivations is that the mob has more honor than professional cycling as they protect their own.

I meant the interview linked above.

Landis wrote:
nobody got punished that was actually at fault
...
They made money on it, and they threw us under the bus.
...
I thought that when I came clean it would at least solve some of that, so that there would be some good that came out of the whole event that nearly killed me, and nothing happened.

I think there's another similar bit elsewhere. I mean "when I came clean"? Seriously? He was caught in 2006. Then he tried to get the case dropped on a technicality, then variously claimed that the results were due to drinking whisky, dehydration, and god knows what else, and he eventually appealed to the CAS. Lost that case as well in 2008. Finally admitted doping in 2010.

Wed, 08/16/2017 - 17:50
b-roll
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I kinda feel like he followed the standard script until it was obviously not worth it anymore, then turned. Figuring that out slightly faster than others was his major distinction.

But then again I admired his enjoyment of beer even during major stage races, so I certainly can't be trusted...

"You know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But fuck it, I still love it."

Wed, 08/16/2017 - 23:24
Shortpants
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I think Landis was trying to pull a Jose Canseco. Get out in front of it and be the hero instead of the heel. But not only did he play it wrong, he didn't get out in front of it. So then by trying to pretend he did he just ended up looking like a smug jackass.

Thu, 08/17/2017 - 01:02
lofarkas
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(Reply to #1326)

b-roll wrote:
I kinda feel like he followed the standard script until it was obviously not worth it anymore, then turned. Figuring that out slightly faster than others was his major distinction.

But then again I admired his enjoyment of beer even during major stage races, so I certainly can't be trusted...

Yeah, but I'm not sure that four years is faster than anyone else.
And IIRC he tried to bully whistleblowers into silence by threatening them with lawsuits in the course of those four years. Altho I might be making that up.

Thu, 08/17/2017 - 17:44
Wintage Townie
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He definitely called up Greg LeMond and mocked him for being molested as a child.

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Fri, 08/18/2017 - 01:39
halbritt
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...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Tue, 09/19/2017 - 02:32
ryanoceros
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Floyd wrote:
“The last couple years, you know, my lawyer deals with it and I don’t really pay that much attention. I assume at some point there will be a trial. I don’t mean to sound flippant about it, but I just don’t care anymore.”

Lance should settle. As part of that settlement he should start using Floyd's of Leadville products and chill the fuck out like Floyd above.

Thu, 09/21/2017 - 17:08
tjayk
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(Reply to #1330)

articles about him are way too long... started reading and then quickly gave up when i saw the length.

i mean... TLDR

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 12:48
lofarkas
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Yeah I read most of that a few days ago but all I remember is that a) it was very verbose b) Lance is still a self-obsessed jerk and c) he might lose all his money to a lawsuit with US Postal.

I just picked up on this bit of the story, however:

Landis launched his own whistleblower lawsuit under the ­federal False Claims Act against the men he said defrauded the Postal Service by taking its sponsorship money while doping. The main targets were Lance Armstrong and team director Johan Bruyneel [...] the whistleblower—in this case, the deeply compromised doper, liar, and cheater Floyd Landis—stands to make up to [...] $24 million.

Not sure how I feel about that. And it seems that Landis is so chill about the lawsuit because being the whistleblower granted him immunity, so he's just waiting to see how much money Lance has to pay back and how big a cut he gets. It's easy to be chill about that.

Fri, 09/22/2017 - 13:35
ryanoceros
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Anyone seen the Icarus doc yet?

Tue, 10/10/2017 - 12:34
Viggen
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Yes, It's to insane...

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Tue, 10/10/2017 - 13:47
euclid
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Watched it over the weekend. Russian corruption is impressive and scary.

Tue, 10/10/2017 - 16:37
ryanoceros
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(Reply to #1335)

Viggen wrote:
Yes, It's to insane...

I felt the same. I watched it a second time last night it was so insane. I hesitate to mention anything that would spoil it for others.

It wasn't covered in the movie, but I wonder why the Russians aren't completely dominating the medals throughout international competition...

Tue, 10/10/2017 - 17:10
lukasz
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because we're better at working the rules?

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 15:31
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #1337)

lukasz wrote:
because we're better at working the rules?

Because the U.S. and western Europe are better at cheating. The whole Russian program that they got hammered for was essentially them trying to catch up to us, and the only way they could do it was this sort of wholesale cheating. The athletes, coaches, and associations in the west are good at finding, training, and doping within the rules (and outside but not getting caught, mostly), and Russia isn't.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 15:43
lukasz
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Cheating is not the best way to put it. I agree with you and that is what I was trying to communicate, but what I'm saying is that it is at least a mix of making the rules and finding the grey areas within them. Way more elaborate than cheating. The Russians were merely cheating. That's why they got caught.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 16:15
eric_ssucks
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I think we agree here, though I would say that there is still western outright cheating, as evidenced by people getting caught.

Wed, 10/11/2017 - 16:21
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #1340)

Yeah. I think it would be foolish to think it's only the Russians doing it at this level. I gotta say the podcast on cycling tips.com with the guy that did the doco didn't do him any favours. Worth a listen tho. It is quite long.

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 06:05
lukasz
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(Reply to #1341)

eric_ssucks wrote:
I think we agree here, though I would say that there is still western outright cheating, as evidenced by people getting caught.

yeah totally

Thu, 10/12/2017 - 19:34
ryanoceros
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I think it's a must watch before the Winter Olympics in South Korea in February.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 13:41

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