Juan Pelota Finally Caves

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halbritt
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Juan Pelota Finally Caves

Dude threw in the towel. I imagine USADA had some compelling testimony and his only recourse was to discredit every one of them. Certainly, that would've been an unpleasant proceeding.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 01:06
1percenttruck
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welp, his 7 tour titles are effectively stripped.

trouble is, those directly underneath him on the results weren't exactly upstanding members of the (clean) peloton.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 02:28
white folks
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in the '96 TDF there was probably at least two or three guys racing clean on accident
bought some bunk shit, lost it traveling etc..
those guys are the true heroes atmo

distracted by ass pain

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 02:52
Endpoint
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What a fucking mess this sport is.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 05:43
Patch
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Lance isn’t the story. The fact that the UCI sued Floyd for defamation without investigating… and the fact that the UCI tried to pry jurisdiction from the hands of USADA and shut it down. The only way Lance had a chance to survive was that, but Judge Sparks ain’t retarded so… on it goes. Pat McQuaid should be resigning soon, if he doesn’t channel his inner Juan and manage to duck the most.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 06:55
TimArchyLime
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Greg Lemond is now the only american ever to win a tour de france.

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:14
Endpoint
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Your new tour winners:

1999-Daniele Nardello
2000-Daniele Nardello
2001-Andrei Kivilev
2002-David Moncoutié
2003-Haimar Zubeldia
2004-Oscar Pereiro or Sandy Casar depending on how much you want to scrutinize Oscar
2005-Cadel Evans

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:25
nathan
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i'm sure those guys are all ecstatic

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:26
nathan
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except cadel, but he's nervous cuz he hides his drugs in his dual chin pouches.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 07:28
ben
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From my understanding he hasn't actually been stripped yet. Does the USADA actually even have the power to do that? I thought they could make recommendations but not actually take away titles.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 08:43
crabbi
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^ that's how I read it

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:22
Rusty Piton
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This is retarded.
I'm pro-doping all the way.
I want my professional atheletes to be super-mutant freaks.

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:32
ben
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Good article about the conflict between USADA, and what they say 'will' happen, and UCI, who stood behind Armstrong in his fight against USADA.

Quote:
Tygart said the UCI, the sport's governing body, was "bound to recognize our decision and impose it" as a signer of the World Anti-Doping Code.

"They have no choice but to strip the titles under the code," he said.

On Friday, the International Cycling Union said not so fast. The UCI, which had backed Armstrong's legal challenge to USADA's authority, cited the same World Anti-Doping Code in saying that it wanted the USADA to explain why Armstrong should lose his titles.

The UCI said the code requires this in cases "where no hearing occurs."

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 09:46
Shortpants
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They're saying that him giving up the fight is tantamount to admission of guilt. Is that really the case here or is he just tired of it all? I don't doubt he doped but I'm wondering if this is the USADA trying to pull a bit of a fast one to snag the fish they could never land.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 10:55
white folks
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last sunday as we were finishing the RGR
rolling the last mile into gov't camp
we saw another team stringing apart and we being total dicks drilled it to pass them
going from 12th to 11th lol
my legs were cramping and i hated everything cycling at that moment
i just wanted a beer and to lie down
as we passed the rest stop right before town
some redneck messin with his trailer hollers at the top of his lungs
YOU'LL NEVER BEAT LANCE
and then i knew all would be right no matter what happens
i will ride my bike, drink beer, and jump into rivers
and maybe meet some cool folks along the way

distracted by ass pain

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 11:36
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #15)

Straws wrote:
They're saying that him giving up the fight is tantamount to admission of guilt. Is that really the case here or is he just tired of it all? I don't doubt he doped but I'm wondering if this is the USADA trying to pull a bit of a fast one to snag the fish they could never land.

Refusing to participate is not the same as giving up the fight.

He's got a limited number of years on this earth, and I'm thinking he finally figured that he would rather stop playing their games now and just spend the rest of his days explaining how he won 7 tours, never failed a test, and fought it for 10(?) years before realizing the other side would never let it go.

With so much time passed and so much energy and words spent, he's now got all these years that they've never pinned anything on him. I think it's a smart move to spend his energy, time, and money elsewhere. I think PR-wise even if they strip him at this late game it won't matter much -he's spent almost too much time as 7-time winner to take that away no matter what they decide to change in the record books -it's already ingrained in peoples minds.

It really seems like a calculation -stopping now has more "value" than continuing to fight.

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But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 11:47
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i wish more people would subscribe to dougcycling
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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 12:13
teepz
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^^to be fair, he has tested positive, but only in B samples at a later date when real testing was available

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 12:24
shiftGNAR
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(Reply to #18)

teach me how to douggie wrote:
last sunday as we were finishing the RGR
rolling the last mile into gov't camp
we saw another team stringing apart and we being total dicks drilled it to pass them
going from 12th to 11th lol
my legs were cramping and i hated everything cycling at that moment
i just wanted a beer and to lie down
as we passed the rest stop right before town
some redneck messin with his trailer hollers at the top of his lungs
YOU'LL NEVER BEAT LANCE
and then i knew all would be right no matter what happens
i will ride my bike, drink beer, and jump into rivers
and maybe meet some cool folks along the way

This is a beautiful story.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 12:31
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #19)

teepz wrote:
^^to be fair, he has tested positive, but only in B samples at a later date when real testing was available

Ah, yeah, forgot about that. His stance is basically that he met the standards of the time, and that they cant' keep moving the goalposts retroactively, and without any consistent rules or standards of how they move those goalposts or who they are applied too, right?

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:12
hiljentaa
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So glad I DGAF about pro racing.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:21
teepz
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Does anyone know how this affects Bontrager Livestrong, since Lance is a co-owner? Will he have to get out for the team to continue?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:29
littletinyfish
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(Reply to #22)

jimmythefly wrote:
He's got a limited number of years on this earth, and I'm thinking he finally figured that he would rather stop playing their games now and just spend the rest of his days explaining how he won 7 tours, never failed a test, and fought it for 10(?) years before realizing the other side would never let it go.

This is right on.

this was a big deal a hundred years ago when everything sucked balls ---match avatar

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 13:54
akasnowmaaan
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What about all his teammates who testified against him? From what I gather, Lance was a complete prick and just got a lot of people so angry they were fine with him being taken down. You heard the story about dumping someone's doping blood into the toilet right in front of his face, right?

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:21
crabbi
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(Reply to #24)

littletinyfish wrote:
jimmythefly wrote:
He's got a limited number of years on this earth, and I'm thinking he finally figured that he would rather stop playing their games now and just spend the rest of his days explaining how he won 7 tours, never failed a test, and fought it for 10(?) years before realizing the other side would never let it go.

This is right on.

he's effectively become a human shield for that era of cycling. martyring himself (either knowingly out unknowingly) for the saddle of today's peloton.
it's all really such bullshit.
stop digging through the past and concentrate on the future.

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if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:37
johnnyraja
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(Reply to #25)

akasnowmaaan wrote:
You heard the story about dumping someone's doping blood into the toilet right in front of his face, right?

Do tell

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obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:39
jimmythefly
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I should be clear that I'm not saying I believe he's clean/not clean/in between. I'm just speculating on his reasoning for choosing this point to stop answering their phone calls.

Bruyneel still has a hearing coming up, right? Some stuff could come out then.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:39
johnnyraja
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Not that anyone is doubting his asshole credentials, though

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:52
euclid
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(Reply to #28)

johnnyraja wrote:
akasnowmaaan wrote:
You heard the story about dumping someone's doping blood into the toilet right in front of his face, right?

Do tell

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:09
deadforkinglast
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Asshole or not, it makes no fucking sense to be wasting resources chasing this motherfucker for offenses committed 7-14 years ago with the ultimate aim of naming a lower-profile doper the new winner of the 1999 Tour de France. It's weird, man.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:55
dumpsterlife
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I was nervous but then relieved to find out that my bike still worked this morning. Got me to and from work today, will get me to and from the bar tonight -- all silly, drunken three mph (4.82 kph) aside, of course.

I suppose I'm a once a month pro cycling fan so, as such, will file under DGAF.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:02
ben
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(Reply to #31)

deadforkinglast wrote:
Asshole or not, it makes no fucking sense to be wasting resources chasing this motherfucker for offenses committed 7-14 years ago with the ultimate aim of naming a lower-profile doper the new winner of the 1999 Tour de France. It's weird, man.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:10
halbritt
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(Reply to #32)

ben wrote:
deadforkinglast wrote:
Asshole or not, it makes no fucking sense to be wasting resources chasing this motherfucker for offenses committed 7-14 years ago with the ultimate aim of naming a lower-profile doper the new winner of the 1999 Tour de France. It's weird, man.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:33
johnnyraja
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Well yeah, I don't think anyone here is calling for his head or anything. The most recent round of horseshit has actually made me feel a bit sympathetic for the dude.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:15
halbritt
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I'm sympathetic for the dude as long as he stays retired.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:28
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #35)

teach me how to douggie wrote:
in the '96 TDF there was probably at least two or three guys racing clean on accident
bought some bunk shit, lost it traveling etc..
those guys are the true heroes atmo

ilu

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:34
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From what I can tell from all the legal proceeding lawyer bullshit is that by forgoing arbitration, the USADA and Co. won't have to drag all the evidence out in public and ridicule the shit out of him. We might never know what Levi, George, etc. told the grand jury.

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:38
Ashes Dust
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^ That's my take on the whole thing. I could be wrong though.

LOL. Stay right there. Imma go put some cones out. - Heath
edit2: dont GIS, i did, dont. NSFW - Miguel

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:42
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #38)

johnnyraja wrote:
akasnowmaaan wrote:
You heard the story about dumping someone's doping blood into the toilet right in front of his face, right?

Do tell

I forgot when it happened, it was in one of the books I read. Basically found someone's cooler with their doped blood (one of his bitter rivals) and dunked it into the hotel room toilet.

I won't call it canon until I find the passage again, so don't take it too seriously - but I have seen it mentioned in more than one place. It's hard to search for, though.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:53
halbritt
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That's some dirty pool right there.

Never fuck with another man's junk.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:12
NoahGenda
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ohhhhhhh I get it now
One ball, juan pelota
gotcha
carry on

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:15
TimArchyLime
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I never liked the dude. He obviously had the best doping program on the planet and used it to avoid the ada's for lots of years. I couldn't care less if he goes down hard. His charity is cool and I hope it hangs around, but I wouldn't mind if he fades into obscurity.

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:28
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(Reply to #42)

NoahGenda wrote:
ohhhhhhh I get it now
One ball, juan pelota
gotcha
carry on

lollin
mello juannys

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:38
tehschkott
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I didn't compile this myself, but from the .83 forums - who gets Lances title now? Let's look.

1999
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)
3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)
4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2000
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)

2001
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Andrei Kivilev
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2002
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)
4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2003
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)
5. Haimar Zubeldia

2004
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)
3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2005
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

DO NOT CONSTRUE MY COMMENTS AS AN ENDORSEMENT OF BICYCLING. BIKES ARE DANGEROUS, EXPENSIVE, AND EXHAUSTING. DO NOT RIDE THEM.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:12
tehschkott
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(Reply to #44)

littletinyfish wrote:
jimmythefly wrote:
He's got a limited number of years on this earth, and I'm thinking he finally figured that he would rather stop playing their games now and just spend the rest of his days explaining how he won 7 tours, never failed a test, and fought it for 10(?) years before realizing the other side would never let it go.

This is right on.

NAILED IT

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:16
stronglight1047
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the correct answer is "no one."

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:16
petit jong cat
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(Reply to #46)

the news of Armstrong being stripped of his W's shouldn't come as a shock to anyone actively following the sport.

bradencbc wrote:
What a fucking mess this sport is.

+1

teepz wrote:
ive never wanted to punch you in the fucking face more than i do right now, lpc

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:30
timberland boots
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(Reply to #47)

tehschkott wrote:
I didn't compile this myself, but from the .83 forums - who gets Lances title now? Let's look.

1999
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)
3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)
4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2000
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)
5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)

2001
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Andrei Kivilev
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2002
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)
4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2003
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)
4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)
5. Haimar Zubeldia

2004
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)
3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)

2005
1. Lance Armstrong
2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)
3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)
5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)

See this is what cyclists know and the general public doesn't seem to get. We were driving back from camping today and the only radio station with any reception was a call in show and all these fucking idiots saying "well, if he cheated then that's not fair to everyone else in the race, he should lose his title" because people don't get that "everyone was doing it" isn't a colloquialism, it's an honest statement of fact. There probably hasn't been a clean TDF winner since doping became common

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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:32
deadforkinglast
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Scott, I'm saving that list for future reference.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:52
b-roll
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Dude just couldn't yield the spotlight to a certain cycling-related movie which shall remain nameless.

"You know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But fuck it, I still love it."

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:13
Patch
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Again — the real story here is the fact that the reigning UCI risked a shit ton to try to save Lance from being prosecuted. Oh and remember when they shut down Floyd? Lance has publicly donated 125,000$ to the UCI in key years. Note that they’ve yet to make a statement following the events.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:26

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