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TimArchyLime
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forward to 1:22. Watch repeatedly. Practice visualizing it, thinking about how your legs and feet move. Practice in real life. Repeat.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:15
TimArchyLime
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Also, everything 1%truck said is right on. Especially about the hop-step being totally mental.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:18
scrub
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If I remember to keep the bike further in front of me then I don't stutter on the remount. Getting the hand on the TT quicker helped me improve my dismounts.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:34
josh
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/\ Thirded. When I was first learning how to remount I would actually tell myself "jump" outloud to do the remount with out the stutterstep. Silly trick, but helped me get over that mental barrier. Eventually it just becomes muscle memory and is super easy.

Couple tricks for dismounts

Come in coasting at the speed you feel comfortable running the barriers at.

Be going that speed about 20 feet (i think? i suck at estimating distances) in front of the barriers. Swing your right foot out around the back of your left foot (step throughs are the worst idea). Coast with your hip leaning against the saddle, left hand on the bars, right hand on the top tube. Keeps the bike in better control/stops it from bouncing around on little bumps. Coast up until you're 1 1/2 steps away from the barrier. put your right foot down, take a step with your left foot, run the barriers starting with your right foot over, take a few steps on the other side and remount. Basically the less time you spend off the bike, the faster you'll be, so you don't want to come off the bike 10 steps from the barriers like so many people do.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:42
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Was trying to find the episode of behind the barriers from last year with a clip of Bart Wellens running the barriers at 100mph, but came across this awesome photo sequence: http://www.cxmagazine.com/bart-wellens-barriers-photo-sequence-roubaix-world-cup

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:43
scrub
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The hip on the saddle is a good tip too.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:44
1percenttruck
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other shit: visualize yourself jumping 'forward', not up. the last thing you want to do is jump up, because that's what'll result in the hammered taint and ( if you're a fatty or lack attention to detail in tightening the seat collar) a slipping seatpost.

other than that, it's just a matter of doing it 10,000+ times and making muscle memoriez.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:51
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(Reply to #58)

Patch wrote:
Yeah I’m gonna need a pair of Ralphs this season. GB?

Fo sho.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 15:35
TimArchyLime
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(Reply to #59)

josh wrote:
(step throughs are the worst idea)

Bullshit. Each method has its benefits. Crossover step for bumpy/slippery approaches when you need stability and a bail-out in case you fuck up. Step-through is for faster, smoother run-ins where there is less likelihood of a crash. It allows you to transition more quickly to running. Check the video I posted. Any non-pro can get away with only having a crossover dismount and be just fine (the same way all of us can get away with only being able to dismount and mount on the left while there is definitely a benefit to being able to do it from either side).

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:04
Ladygrinder
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both mounting and dismounting are totally mental and a matter of muscle memory. just gotta work at it. a friend suggested hopping on the saddle from a standstill and building up to walking, then running, and so i'm doing that...still have the stutter step tho.

dismounting i don't really have any worry about dismounting too soon. i've always kinda jumped off the pedal of a fixed gear as it comes up right in front of where i want to get off, distances aren't a concern for me. but i'm just used to the feel of the pedal coming up and knowing just when and how to twist out and jump off. all mental and muscle memory.

just gotta practice every time i ride.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:10
1percenttruck
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re: timarchy.

agreed there is benefit to knowing how to right-side remount. everyone should get that tool in their arsenal for the time when chains drop (or you just want to fuck with everybody around you on a crowded run up).

step-throughs are a matter of comfort atmo. if you like them, do them. if not, i see zero situations where landing with right foot behind would be disadvantageous.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:17
1percenttruck
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p.s. big ups to whoever posted the link to the on-one cx disc frame sale on the other cross thread. should be getting that frameset ordered in a couple days, and getting it built proper into a mean SS racer in the next month or so. $550 on a carbon disc frameset is tough to beat.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:19
TimArchyLime
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There are times when it is faster. Probably no times when it is necessary though.
How are you going to do the SS conversion?

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:59
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I bandit crossed! Mounting and dismounting went way smoother than I expected. Solid mid pack finish. Got a little sketched out on a loose gravel section, but no big deal. Hope to do lots more of this in the future. Woot!

EDIT: Another good one:

Take that, MTB guy!

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This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 17:25
josh
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Not bullshit. There's a reason damn near zero pros do the step-through anymore. There's honestly no advantage to step through. It's not any faster and negligibly smoother. But the likelihood of tangling up in your own leg and crashing is a lot higher, to the point that I would never ever recommend someone chose step-through over step around.

Off-side dismount/remount on the other hand would be useful, especially in situations like right hand chicanes into a run up or right hand corners into barriers where it's faster to dismount right before the corner. Wish I could get that one down solidly.

Found the Wellens clip I was talking about earlier. Start at the 8:00 mark. Seriously mesmerizing how fast he runs them.

"Behind The Barriers" Season II Episode 2 from Behind THE Barriers on Vimeo.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 19:56
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #66)

scrub wrote:
The hip on the saddle is a good tip too.

Also, re: remounts, just practice every time you get on a bike.

Mine are still stuttery at times but it's gotten better as I've gotten better at jumping only as high as necessary.

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Sat, 08/18/2012 - 22:10
Larry Winget
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Also, I still step through unless the approach to the barriers is a sharp turn.

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Sat, 08/18/2012 - 22:14
TimArchyLime
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No one should have to choose learning step-through vs step-around. Anyone who wants to race hard should know both. From personal experience, I would much rather do step-through on a smooth, fast barrier section. It is almost automatic now.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 23:36
1percenttruck
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(Reply to #69)

TimArchyLime wrote:
There are times when it is faster. Probably no times when it is necessary though.
How are you going to do the SS conversion?

eno.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 00:46
Ladygrinder
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tc--not sure what you mean by step through. to me, that would mean racing on a mixte or something.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 00:59
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #71)

1percenttruck wrote:
TimArchyLime wrote:
There are times when it is faster. Probably no times when it is necessary though.
How are you going to do the SS conversion?

eno.

It's post mount so no eccentric caliper adapter for you.

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Sun, 08/19/2012 - 01:21
CheshireCat
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dismount remount: at every stoplight/ stop sign dismount and remount your bike.

Putting crank bros on all my bikes until I get this down. No more road pedals on the training sled.

Also adjusted my road bike fit to match my cross bike fit. Looks so stupid with a mile of spacers, but now the bike actually fits.

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Sun, 08/19/2012 - 01:45
1percenttruck
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(Reply to #73)

tarckeemoon wrote:
1percenttruck wrote:
TimArchyLime wrote:
There are times when it is faster. Probably no times when it is necessary though.
How are you going to do the SS conversion?

eno.

It's post mount so no eccentric caliper adapter for you.

http://www.wheelbuilder.com/white-industries-disc-eccentric-caliper-mount.html won't work?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 12:15
Larry Winget
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Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:45
TimArchyLime
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IMO, get a good chain tensioner and be done with it. An eno hub plus an eno disc mount is asking for all sorts of allignment and adjustment issues. I think we've discussed that Eno hubs don't hold their adjustment well under race conditions.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 20:24
Ladygrinder
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since i currently ride singlespeed, occasionally i just can't get traction in a spot and have to walk up. so i've been making myself run up all these spots with my bike on my shoulder and practice remounting. i can do it while walking now, stutter happens when running still but i'm working up to it. dismounting i have not been working on though. i should. when i get off, i just don't really think about it. need to spend some time just only doing dismounts and remounts.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 23:05
1percenttruck
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(Reply to #77)

TimArchyLime wrote:
IMO, get a good chain tensioner and be done with it. An eno hub plus an eno disc mount is asking for all sorts of allignment and adjustment issues. I think we've discussed that Eno hubs don't hold their adjustment well under race conditions.

raced with a tensioner the last few seasons, mostly over it. even the best tensioner is still a weak point when it gets muddy out, and the best way to tension (push-up) means it's a fucking shitshow pitting out a rear flat.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:20
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(Reply to #78)

tarckeemoon wrote:
It's post mount so no eccentric caliper adapter for you.

I really wish I'd bought a Forward Components BB while they existed. Solves so many SS/hubgear/disc problems.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 04:51
TimArchyLime
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(Reply to #79)

1percenttruck wrote:
TimArchyLime wrote:
IMO, get a good chain tensioner and be done with it. An eno hub plus an eno disc mount is asking for all sorts of allignment and adjustment issues. I think we've discussed that Eno hubs don't hold their adjustment well under race conditions.

raced with a tensioner the last few seasons, mostly over it. even the best tensioner is still a weak point when it gets muddy out, and the best way to tension (push-up) means it's a fucking shitshow pitting out a rear flat.

I completely agree. I used several tensioners over the last few years and all of them were terrible. But I still hink it is a better solution than having multiple eccentric adapters. In the end I refused to ace another season on a conversion.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 06:24
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #80)

1percenttruck wrote:
TimArchyLime wrote:
IMO, get a good chain tensioner and be done with it. An eno hub plus an eno disc mount is asking for all sorts of allignment and adjustment issues. I think we've discussed that Eno hubs don't hold their adjustment well under race conditions.

raced with a tensioner the last few seasons, mostly over it. even the best tensioner is still a weak point when it gets muddy out, and the best way to tension (push-up) means it's a fucking shitshow pitting out a rear flat.

I'm not sure I understand how dealing an ENO wheel in the pits would be less of a shitshow. Not to mention you'd need to buy/build a second one.

Also, re: the eccentric caliper adapter thing, maybe this pic illustrates this better, but the frame is designed for the caliper to bolt directly to the chainstay with no caliper adapter.

If you don't want to fuck with a tensioner I'd see what your eccentric bb options are as suggested above.

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Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:32
1percenttruck
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word. thanks (sincerely) for spelling it out, i have dealt with neither discs nor eno's in the past.

may do a philcentric, may just do a tensioner again. sucks there's no disc-ready ss framesets in alu or carbon yet (that i know of).

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:08
1percenttruck
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dp.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:09
1percenttruck
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triple post, even. wtf iphone smiley

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:31
Larry Winget
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It's possible you could get it in the ballbark with just an ENO, but I would not spend any money on it to find out. A loaner ENO/disc/29er wheel for research purposes is gonna be hard to come by though. Maybe hit up your shopbros and see who they know. If it does work at first it could be unworkable after some chain wear.

Probably a good situation for the dumb questions thread atmo.

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Mon, 08/20/2012 - 14:21
TimArchyLime
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(Reply to #85)

1percenttruck wrote:
sucks there's no disc-ready ss framesets in alu or carbon yet (that i know of).

Seriously. I have a dream of a light SS disc bike with sliding dropouts. With carbon wheels. Gonna be awesome one day.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:33
DDYTDY
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Shawver with Paragon sliders?

I've raced a non disc Eno both MTB and CX... hill climb too. I won't be doing that any more.

If you do, I think an emery cloth washer between dropout and hub would help.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:32
josh
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I have a teammate who raced all last season on an eno hub without it slipping, for what it's worth. He's a super strong dude, too, and probably in the 175-180lb range so I'd imagine he's putting down plenty of slip-causing torque.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 20:38
CheshireCat
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(Reply to #88)

DDYTDY wrote:
Shawver with Paragon sliders?

I've raced a non disc Eno both MTB and CX... hill climb too. I won't be doing that any more.

If you do, I think an emery cloth washer between dropout and hub would help.

seconding this. Just get a SSCX bike with track ends or paragon sliders. You'll be much happier in the end. SS conversions SUCK!

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Mon, 08/20/2012 - 21:00
curiousincident
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are rim brakes really that bad? you can always do it mullet style with a disc fork, if you must. i would choose a reliable drivetrain and lack of general headache over rear braking performance gains any day.

also, re: practicing remounting, i find it way easier to do it smoothly at pace. 'learning' to do it at a walking pace doesn't really make any sense to me - it'll be nothing like doing it at a quicker pace, and i find doing it quickly makes it easier to throw my legs smoothly back around the bike without excess vertical motion. being a sissy pants about the thing is just a good way to learn bad habits atmo.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 21:15
1percenttruck
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mostly set on what i want. raced canti's and mini-v's for enough seasons, ready to just adopt what's inevitable future standard / what'll easily work better in mud and fast dry races alike (is there really any debate at this point besides weight?). i'm trying to look a little more long term than just this season - if i'm going to spend the dime on fancy new wheels, would rather them be ones that i want to be riding for a nice handful of years on frames i can hold onto for equally long.

i can wait for sure though. if what i'm looking for doesn't come around i'll happily race mini-v's on the kona again as work+school schedule is likely not going to afford me to go out and race 3 days a week like i could last year.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 00:54
curiousincident
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^ yeah. maybe mid season when 2013 stuff hits your dream frame will be out there...

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:13
bobbythehawk
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god damn it there is a set of 2012 303 tubs's for 900 bucks on the local CX list

fuuu bank account

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:01
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #93)

bobbythehawk wrote:
god damn it there is a set of 2012 303 tubs's for 900 bucks on the local CX list

fuuu bank account

Good deal, but you don't need em'.

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Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:05
bobbythehawk
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turns out the ad was bogus anyways, they're 2011's (non firecrest)

still a good deal, but you're right..

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:08
Ladygrinder
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looking forward to ssxcwc in santa cruz this year. anyone coming from out of town?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:36
b-roll
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Late posting on this, but I'm a big believer in the stepthru down here in Crossrakis. Back in the PNW, I could certainly see not understanding the value, but when half the barriers are on putting greens, I've made some handy passes in with the step-thru, and I'm not even fast.

"You know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But fuck it, I still love it."

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:49
1percenttruck
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ian - wish i could say i was unfortunately. it was cool seeing you @ that oakland house party during last year's SSCXWC.

b-roll: agreed. on our muddy ass races it's almost an impediment more than a benefit. but i really think i can dismount equally as fast without stepping through on the dry as well, and i'm the kind of masochist who gets pleasure out of seeing the top speed via cyclometer i can dismount from concrete before running up a set of stairs.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:35
Larry Winget
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Did the MFG preseason race tonight. Didn't make the top 20 to advance to the next round but I think I wasn't far off. Started at the back on purpose just to see what kind of progess I could make. Lots of improvement here.

Only a 20 minute race, but I could tell some of the guys I was battling with were starting to fade. I felt like I still had a lot of snap in my legs.

Finally feeling like the Shawver is getting dialed. Feels good man. Can't wait to build up the tubs for it.

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Thu, 08/23/2012 - 01:02
Larry Winget
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Cyclocross lulz time.

So I brought my floor pump as I usually do and several people asked to borrow it. No problem. That's what it's there for.

So dude rolls up and is like "Hey, can I borrow that?". Sure man. Knock yourself out using my shitty pump. Then I looked at the guy's bike. Brand new disc Moots. 60-something ENVE tubular rims and flat bar. Dude starts pumping, and pumping, and pumping, and pumping. Finally I look at the gauge. It's over 80 and the the guy's still going.

I notice the guy's running Racing Ralphs so (trying to make conversation) I'm like "So how do you like those. I have some coming." Dude is like. "They're great. You can pump em' up really hard. Really helps when you're putting power down." Umm.... ok

Then I asked him about his rotors coz in the market for lighter rotors, so he gives me the rundown on the bike. Apparently it's 15 pounds. I got to lift it. I asked him if he wanted to compare and dude was like "That's ok. I'm good."

Shine on you crazy rich diamond.

Highlight of the race for me was the dude who had at least 10 years on me on the 80's road bike complete with had to be no more than 25s and fucking toe clips (which he never got into). I eventually lapped him, but it wasn't easy to pass him because I was concerned he was going to eat shit at any moment (he didn't while I was around him anyway). Saw him later and thanked him for being awesome.

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Thu, 08/23/2012 - 01:46
1percenttruck
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floorpumpbro sounds like a tri-dork according to my rigorous internet analysis.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 03:23

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