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Rusty Piton
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Sneaky Viking wrote:
jeffro wrote:
kmcdon wrote:
That's the spirit!

Seriously though let me know, after a while, how those marge lites hold tubeless. I have the same wheels and am planning on tubelessing them.

Any thoughts on whether the Max method would suit 100 mm wide rime with Vee Bulldozers. Tires indicate tubeless, rims have no markingsuch at all.

My buddies tuebelessed with the fattystripper on 80 and 100. It's holding up.
http://fattystripper.com/

I used those too and they work really really well despite the loathsome name.

emor wrote:
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Fri, 12/22/2017 - 09:41
lukasz
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Hmm, appears the WTB Ranger in 27.5 x 2.0 doesn't actually exist. Bummer. Guess it is a new model.

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 15:06
Endpoint
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Yeah... 2.25 only. They exist IRL though.

I have them in stock.

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 15:18
lukasz
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Between them and Maxxis Tread Lite above:

Is the Maxxis bead anywhere near as good as far as tubeless goes?

Is the 2.0 Ranger actually appreciably narrower than a 2.1" Tread Lite?

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 15:52
dotMR
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(Reply to #4555)

shane.rrr wrote:
I love my Byways, mounted easily tubeless on nontubeless rims. Have had zero issues with them and seem to be a really good all around tire. Fast and smooth on pavement and feels solid on dirt.

Endpoint wrote:
I would say that Horizon is the commuter/touring version and the Byway is the yolo version. Less rubber means they will cut easier I suppose.

Thanks! I'll start out with the Byway

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 16:19
Endpoint
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(Reply to #4556)

Endpoint wrote:
Yeah... 2.25 only. They exist IRL though.

lukasz wrote:
Is the 2.0 Ranger actually appreciably narrower than a 2.1" Tread Lite?

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 21:38
sparksflyhigh
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(Reply to #4557)

lukasz wrote:
Between them and Maxxis Tread Lite above:

Is the Maxxis bead anywhere near as good as far as tubeless goes?

It's worked fine on a ton of tubeless setups on mtbs at the shop I worked at. I wouldn't insist on a tcs ust system like wtb, just not a negligent poorly designed system like panaracer.

Regarding az, A lot of people use the maxxis ardent etc with the exo casing, I've used the racing Ralph snakeskin with success, and the specialized grid tires are popular as well. Depends on how you ride really though. I don't really destroy tires, even the liteskin thunder burt. But people I know who ride their bikes really hard need the double downhill hands dampf and magic Mary.

Sat, 12/23/2017 - 22:28
Endpoint
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Is this for your fop mobile?

I have some of the WTB Bee-Line tires that are being replaced by the 2.25 Ranger. I’ll put a caliper on them if thats of interest.

Sun, 12/24/2017 - 09:06
lukasz
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I misunderstood you and thought you had the 2"! Anyways I found a set of 2.0" super cheap at the pros closet of all places so that's what it is gonna be. Thanks for the offer to measure!

Sun, 12/24/2017 - 11:26
lukasz
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Anyone wanting to rid themselves of some byways for money?

Sun, 12/24/2017 - 16:51
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #4561)

lukasz wrote:
Hmm, appears the WTB Ranger in 27.5 x 2.0 doesn't actually exist. Bummer. Guess it is a new model.

Weird, I just checked my closet at work which is filled with 27.5 MTB tires that I got for free from my buddy at Raleigh HQ (next door) and first thing I pulled out was Ranger 2.0

Tue, 12/26/2017 - 19:04
kmcdon
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can you send me some 27.5 knobbies? I mean you got them for free......

Tue, 12/26/2017 - 19:11
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #4563)

kmcdon wrote:
can you send me some 27.5 knobbies? I mean you got them for free......

I kinda wanted to try all of them first but yes, I will definitely distribute to friends cuz way too many to store at home (hence storing them at work for now)

Tue, 12/26/2017 - 19:14
kmcdon
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Awesome! I'll be keeping an eye out on the marketplace :)

Tue, 12/26/2017 - 19:20
lukasz
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So you got any byways in there? Heheheh.

Edit: just to double check: if a horizon fits width-wise, a byway should too?

Tue, 12/26/2017 - 22:18
JUGE FREDD
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yes, but

the current orangey horizon is narrower than the original tan/yellow one

pretty sure the byway is the same casing size as the orange horizon, and the knobs make it the same overall size as a SBH or yellow horizon

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 02:49
kmcdon
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I can fit a byway in a soma grando with a little room to spare.

I've seen horizons in a surly straggler and it was so tight it made me cringe.

That probably doesn't answer your question.

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 11:55
lukasz
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Looks like I have the orangey one? It did not quite come out to 47 on 23mm wide (internal) rims.

I do have some SBH laying around so I guess I'll test fit those on this frame and see how it looks. It is a Pass Hunter Disc.

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 13:49
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #4569)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
the current orangey horizon is narrower than the original tan/yellow one

Is that backwards? I have wider ones bought in 2016 and label is the more orange hue.

Unfortunately no Byways in the closet, mostly single tires and couple double but they are all bigger than 2.0.
Only have single Ranger 2.0

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 13:52
Endpoint
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(Reply to #4570)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
lukasz wrote:
Hmm, appears the WTB Ranger in 27.5 x 2.0 doesn't actually exist. Bummer. Guess it is a new model.

Weird, I just checked my closet at work which is filled with 27.5 MTB tires that I got for free from my buddy at Raleigh HQ (next door) and first thing I pulled out was Ranger 2.0

That is weird. Have you mounted and measured it? Q and J both only show a 2.25 existing. What is embossed on the sidewall?

A mystery!

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 16:25
lukasz
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Braden I also got a pair of 2.0" from pros closet. They had a set up for 30-odd bux per tire on ebay.

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 16:51
Endpoint
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What to they measure out to?
Sidewall embossing say 2.0?

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 17:24
lukasz
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Won't have them until Friday. I'll post here if squirrel doesn't beat me to it.

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 17:45
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #4574)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
JUGE FREDD wrote:
the current orangey horizon is narrower than the original tan/yellow one

Is that backwards? I have wider ones bought in 2016 and label is the more orange hue.

they might've changed the label before the casing

the current narrower casing is also reddish/orange instead of tan sidewall, and the center rubber is no longer double-thickness

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 12/27/2017 - 23:52
Endpoint
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fwiw the Byways I am running are true to size w/o knobs.

I have not installed any Horizons since we started stocking the Byway so I can confirm if the ones we have are undersized or not.

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 10:57
lukasz
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true to size without knobs means the width is 47 and the knobs just make it taller, correct?

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 11:55
lukasz
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SBH with like 350 miles on it (that I couldn't get to mount tubeless with a compressor and had trouble mounting straight with a tube lol).

Looking good for byways!

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 13:36
crabbi
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I've never really raced cross in the snow. Well, I have, but it was light snow and started coming down day-of. Cross nationals is in Reno and I want to be prepared for heavy snow. Team is sponsored by Donnelly/Clement and I would prefer to stay sponsor correct. Any advice on tires?

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 13:44
Endpoint
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Yeah.. the knobs a high enough up the shoulder of the the tire the likely won't really effect clearance.

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 13:44
lukasz
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Going fast in snow is special. I've never thought about tires. The bigger side knobs the better, probably? Gonna depend what kind of snow too. Frozen/rutted, fresh and deep, wet and heavy? That and mud are the only thing that make me think about ever racing cx again. I'm no help.

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 13:49
Endpoint
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Alright... just mounted a newer Horizon for a customer on a blunt ss.

Came out to 47 on the nose. Granted, this is a wide rim, but the Byways I installed on some i23 KOMS started out at a disappointing 44mm then grew to 47 after 100 miles.

Maybe it was just one batch?

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 14:33
lukasz
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47mm on i23 is good info! The LB rims we have are 23mm internal. Though it sounds like they might come out to 50 in a little while? Definitely starting to lean toward the Resolute for this little orange frame.

Thu, 12/28/2017 - 15:07
Tail Hook Lengthener
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That's good to hear. My current crop of Horizons are the significantly narrower ones, with the different casing. I don't know if it's my imagination or what, but they feel turdlier than the last pair. Turdly enough that I am considering dipping a toe into the Panaracer offerings, now that they are shipping all 650b tire with their tubeless bead.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
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Fri, 12/29/2017 - 09:17
Rusty Piton
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Will the H/G fit a 2.25 Thunder Burt without fenders?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Fri, 12/29/2017 - 10:05
lukasz
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2.0" 27.5 WTB Rangers are exactly 2.0 mounted on 23mm internal rims. I'll see if they get more plump as time goes on. I measured the Burts before taking them off and they were exactly 2.1" on these rims, as labeled. Couldn't weigh the WTB because I couldn't find my scale that measures more than 500 grams at a time, haha.

Fri, 12/29/2017 - 19:24
motorbacon
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TCS or no TCS?

Fri, 12/29/2017 - 22:38
lukasz
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TCS, definitely TCS

Sat, 12/30/2017 - 11:21
fixed
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(Reply to #4588)

crabbi wrote:
I've never really raced cross in the snow. Well, I have, but it was light snow and started coming down day-of. Cross nationals is in Reno and I want to be prepared for heavy snow. Team is sponsored by Donnelly/Clement and I would prefer to stay sponsor correct. Any advice on tires?

how many fields go before yours? it all really depends if it's still pretty fresh or if it's compacted and maybe even icy.
for relatively fresh (or if the temps stay consistently cold and the track doesn't ice over) i liked to use a michelin mud 2, which i guess is probably most similar to the PDX. i am also looking at the BOS tread pattern and i actually think those center knobs may be too aggressive for the parts where it will inevitably get packed down/icy.
if it starts to get really compacted/icy, the LAS would probably be surprisingly good. at least worth having as an option. sometimes those tiny file tread nubs get filled up with snow and give you way more traction than you'd get in a mud tire.
i don't see any conditions where the MXP would be preferable to any of the other options.

i think you could bring a PDX and an LAS and be pretty happy with everything.

Wed, 01/03/2018 - 08:38
TimArchyLime
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Any of y'all ridden challenge road tires recently? I had some of the vulcanized ones a while ago and liked them them, and just noticed these:
700x36
https://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Strada-Bianca-Pro-Tire/dp/B01NA8QT98

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 21:53
Endpoint
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No tubeless, no care.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 22:31
TimArchyLime
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Good point. But my wheels aren't compatible, so that ain't a worry of mine.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 22:36
Endpoint
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Yeah... but they should be. So many perfectly OK rims now for cheap. Don’t Grant yourself into a corner.

But real talk... I rode those tires in the 30mm sizeway pre-Endpoint. They were really nice. Smooth and rolled super fast. Until a sidewall blew on one at the bead. Also at the time the “hand made” casing was fussy mounting and replacing tubes.

Compass, of all companies, I think renders non cross specific tires from Challenge obsolete.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 23:00
TimArchyLime
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Yeah, looking at compass too. I can't get an accurate read on them from the forum. Some people talk all sorts of shit on them, then others call them good. Worth $60?

Not really interested in new wheels at the moment. One day, though.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 23:17
ergott
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Panaracer is making me happy. On Gravel Kings, previously had Paris Motos. GK not much heavier and I figured a little more flat protection should be good.

30mm and wider are tubeless now.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 10:06
jeffro
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Tublessed the new fatbike with the FattyStripper latex strips. Glad it wasn't my first rodeo, needed most of the tricks. Vee Bulldozers to Weinmann whatever the hell 100 mm rims. Most of the time was spent getting the strips smoothed out on the rims. Kind of a loose tire fit, used a strap with no luck. In the end, with enough jiggling the tires just decided to jump on. Mixed up a fresh batch of homemade sealant with coffee bean chaff as the clotting agent. So far so good.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 13:50
TimArchyLime
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There's two models that I'm seeing for the GK. Is it the slick or the one that looks like a filetread cross tire? This is going to be for 100% road. Coming from giant resist nomads and trying to get a little lighter and quicker.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 13:51
ergott
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I use the slick. The treaded version is the SK,

Mine were 355g each for tubeless 650X42mm

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 13:54
TimArchyLime
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Thanks.
Looks like all the big options are for 650. I was hoping to get 35 or 38, but they only go up to 32 for 700c.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 14:00
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #4599)

TimArchyLime wrote:
Thanks.
Looks like all the big options are for 650. I was hoping to get 35 or 38, but they only go up to 32 for 700c.

Panaracer is selling tubeless-ready Gravel King slicks in 32 and 38mm.

700x38, black or brown sidewall

The other sizes.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 14:11

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