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Endpoint
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Got some in... they measured 25.5 so I sent them back. The ones mounted on Hed C2 rims at QBP saddle drive seemd wider though. Maybe a later batch was wider... maybe I'm crazy.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:19
DDYTDY
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maybe I'm crazy?

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:20
Orc
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(Reply to #53)

pirate wrote:
Has anyone ridden those clement 28s?

They're nice, but they wear really fast, and when they get worn they become *amazing* flat magnets.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:39
pirate
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Thanks. I think I'll pass on those.

Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time, but now that its the opposite it's twice upon a time.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 22:16
Endpoint
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(Reply to #55)

DDYTDY wrote:
maybe I'm crazy?

all I wanted was the perfect 28mm wide tire, just one truly good 28mm wide tire and they wouldn't give it to me

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 06:14
biek

i think i'm gonna try one of those resist 28s

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 07:18
Orc
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(Reply to #57)

They aren't true to width (on Open Sport rims they measure 29.5mm at 100psi) but if your bike can fit them they are definitely worth it. On my bicycle, and after ~900 miles of riding, they show some wear, but not excessively so (the meshy pattern on the blocks is worn mostly smooth along the road surface, but the blocks themselves are not worn. Maybe they'll be good for 2500-3000 miles?)

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 09:49
cookietruck
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(Reply to #58)

bradencbc wrote:
DDYTDY wrote:
maybe I'm crazy?

all I wanted was the perfect 28mm wide tire, just one truly good 28mm wide tire and they wouldn't give it to me

i think the perfect 28mm tyre is the 27mm fmb paris roubaix
the 25mm ones i had were awesome
but so expensive

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 10:38
Endpoint
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I want something with a longer wearing compound and vectran or similar light breaker.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 18:56
DDYTDY
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(Reply to #60)

cookietruck wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
DDYTDY wrote:
maybe I'm crazy?

all I wanted was the perfect 28mm wide tire, just one truly good 28mm wide tire and they wouldn't give it to me

i think the perfect 28mm tyre is the 27mm fmb paris roubaix
the 25mm ones i had were awesome
but so expensive

The 27's measure 29mm at 60psi

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 19:30
euflavine
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I was waiting for pictures from elsewhere as I only got video, but Hutchinson is coming out with a 28mm road tubeless tire. "Monster" something. Looked cool.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 15:52
Endpoint
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Considering their "25" is more like a 22 I'm skeptical.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 16:51
JUGE FREDD
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The 22 is actually 22 though.

Heard somewhere that the new 28mm tire is true to size, and is pretty much what they'd been testing at the classics races a few years back.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 07:35
euflavine
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Looked true to size in person.

Mon, 10/01/2012 - 12:28
tjayk
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gp4season not good enough? that tire is real supple once it starts getting thin... better and better until it finally dies.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 21:43
Endpoint
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I run those on the roadie in the off season. They are good but nowhere near 28mm

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:02
tjayk
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oh yeah, this reminds me... bontrager does some of their cheaper road tires in 28 mm with some fancy versions on the way, if not already released. their tires have improved a lot.

-edit- apparently just the r1 available for now: http://bontrager.com/model/08646

r3 is in the works i think.

Mon, 10/08/2012 - 22:28
blumpkin

new challenge clincher
marked 30mm

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:43
Endpoint
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Looks cool. Will the tread fall off the casing after 500 miles?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:49
josh
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(Reply to #70)

bradencbc wrote:
Looks cool. Will the tread fall off the casing after 500 miles?

I'm experiencing tread falling off the casing on one of my Fangos after like 40 miles. Sucks. Need to deal with it this week.

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 20:56
blumpkin

paging buffalobill: what's this chatter about a more supple, lighter, all black grand bois hetre/cypres? yan heiny gonna import?

Sun, 10/14/2012 - 22:04
JUGE FREDD
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You're referring to the news of superlight versions of the Hetre, Cypres, and Col de Madeline that was posted on the 650b list (which I moderate): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/650b/1JwTSjxTlg8

Those "Extra Legere" tires still have tan sidewalls, and looking at the texture they'll probably be even bigger filth magnets. Jan will definitely be importing those.
 

The all-black Cypres prototype is from earlier this summer, our man Blakey's shop in Melbourne got them since they have a relationship with GB that Heiney has no involvement in (On-One did too but dropped them).

Jan's historical reenactment boner is so massive as to have it's own gravity field bending light and facts alike, he's now unwilling to use non-tan tires himself. He pretends that the tan and black Pari-Motos are identical in performance, despite them having an obviously nicer handfeel, nearly double the threadcount, and being 20-30g lighter. He sat on a review set of the Hutchinson Confriere tires for a year while instead using 650b Cypres on his vintage bike because the sidewalls were the color grey (he eventually passed em on to Lynne Fitzsimmons, and later started selling them for double the EU street price).

I would guess that those all-black prototypes were abandoned primarily because of their effect on the boners of Heiney and friends, with the new EL casing being a black-free alternative. Don't know at present whether they're the same 127tpi cords with an ingredient substitution, or an actually new development.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 00:11
Blakey
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(Reply to #73)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
The all-black Cypres prototype is from earlier this summer, our man Blakey's shop in Melbourne got them since they have a relationship with GB that Heiney has no involvement in (On-One did too but dropped them).

Early review from shopbro/builderbro: "I've been using the lightweight 30mm cypres. They rule. Stupid light, nice at low pressure, no flats yet (though they cannot actually be good on that score methinks)."

Will post link when review is live

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 04:34
heavymetal
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So from the above, am I to understand that the black cypres have a higher thread count and better construction?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 20:41
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #75)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
Jan's historical reenactment boner is so massive as to have it's own gravity field bending light and facts alike

I want this printed on a bumper sticker. So many Lulz

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 21:16
blumpkin

so, basically the superior all-black cypres/hetre is in limbo because JH wont import, GB wont distribute because of fashion?

fuck that. cut these two bozos out, panaracer.

blakey - your shop selling them?

Mon, 10/15/2012 - 22:06
JUGE FREDD
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I don't doubt that the new EL casing is at least as good technically as the existing black one

just unnecessarily a filth magnet

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 00:21
Blakey
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Does Jan have exclusivity on GB tyres being imported to the US? You can't order direct from I's Bicycle? (their English is fine via email, I've ordered once direct from them)

My lbs will sell them once they're available, I can always get a package mailed to the US if need be.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 02:13
JUGE FREDD
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He at least believes that he has exclusivity.

http://cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T650_F42_EL.html
http://cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T700_F30_EL.html

The description there for the EL Hetre states that the exact size is 38.5mm instead of around 41.5mm, but with almost the same height. Weird shit if that's true, though they'd still be pretty differentiated from the Pari-Moto by having an extra 80g of rubber in the middle lending them a rather different ride quality that favors lower pressures.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 02:49
Blakey
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(Reply to #80)

Dirty Sanchez wrote:
He at least believes that he has exclusivity.

Well, if you try order direct and get jan-blocked we can work something out.

No sign of the blackwall Cypres on the site. Will be interesting to hear if blackwall cypres = gumwall cypres EL.

Also, if Jan's telling GB 'no, we (I) don't want blackwall tyres' and they don't hear otherwise, there's no chance they'll eventuate, perhaps it's worth everyone shooting off an email to GB asking if they would produce hetres & cypres' in a blackwall option, parimoto style?

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 03:14
blumpkin

I once halfheartedly tried to order from I's. I filled out the international request form and received an email from the shop. It basically said, "we'll have our US distributor contact you." A day or so later, I get an email from Jan saying "we do not carry that item. Maybe in the future."

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 09:35
Rentable Faxmachine
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What a crock of shit. I'm not a fan of tan sidewalls. Hell, I'd even take grey over tan.

We should make an adapter to fit XTR chainrings onto the Herse cranks--just to piss off jawn.

Tue, 10/16/2012 - 14:21
liquify
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  1. Ride tan sidewalls in rain
  2. Get dirty
  3. ?????
  4. Profit

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 00:54
biek

dgaf is step 3

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Wed, 10/17/2012 - 20:07
that guy
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(Reply to #85)

Orc wrote:
pirate wrote:
Has anyone ridden those clement 28s?

They're nice, but they wear really fast, and when they get worn they become *amazing* flat magnets.

This has been my experience too.

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:06
that guy
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The Bontrager "23mm" tubeless ready road tires mounted on the wider-style Bontrager Race tubeless wheels measure an actual 27mm. They make a "25" too, so I'm sure that's even wider.

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Thu, 10/18/2012 - 23:10
JUGE FREDD
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no shit? these tires on 23mm rims? http://bontrager.com/model/10991

it is possible that the 25 measures the same width and is just turdlier, that's happened before with RT

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 03:57
Rentable Faxmachine
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Is this a fancy-colored Pasela or Roly Poly?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 11:46
JUGE FREDD
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No it is an absolute turd that weighs 200g more than either of those

It's a sweet fixie tire that makes a shit attempt at reenacting instead of being lime green

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 16:37
Endpoint
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Truth.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 18:55
biek

so no one knows anything about the 28c kojak? roommate brought home the complete schwalbe catalog, 28c kojak was no where to be found.

was the one that i owned an anomaly?

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 20:06
Blakey
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(Reply to #92)

biekridder wrote:
so no one knows anything about the 28c kojak? roommate brought home the complete schwalbe catalog, 28c kojak was no where to be found.

was the one that i owned an anomaly?

700c?

Previous generation. Current stuff is 35mm only in 700C.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 20:50
Endpoint
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We had a set kicking around the shop. I tried them out for a few days... were pretty meh. Felt like gatorskins.

Fri, 10/19/2012 - 22:05
wickedwagon
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This thread is suddenly relevant. Building up my fisher road bike again into a fendered(maybe) drop bike by spring. Looks like I've got some reading to do.

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BRING ME THE BINDERS OF WOMEN!

Sun, 10/28/2012 - 21:48
Fergie

Stay away from Challenge Eroicas. I've never had a tire that I just couldn't mount. A few were challenging, but for the most part I get get them on and off with just my hands.

I spent two hours trying to mount Eroicas last night and all I have to show for it is blistered thumbs. The tires were so tight that I couldn't even stuff the fucking tube under them. Just ordered Grand Bois Extra Legere 32s and I'm returning these POSes.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 10:54
JUGE FREDD
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TC: I don't understand the refusal to use a tire lever

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 12:45
Fergie

Oh I used a tire lever and a tire jack, but all I got was a popped tube. The tires were so tight that stuffing a tube under them was next to impossible.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 12:57
Blakey
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Putting Challenge P-R onto Aeroheads was "challenging" also. Much swearing, much careful tube stuffing.

Totally worth the effort though, great tyres.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 17:54
blumpkin

velopluggers, bros
also, the cypres is where its at anyway.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 18:13
blumpkin

and when is jam heiney gonna do up the black cypres?
I like my tires like I like my women.
fat and black.

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 18:17

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