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Tire Chat

ITT we discuss 28mm-ish 700c tires, post reviews and real world measurements, reveal our favorite yerrupean sites for purchasing obscuro balleur tires on the interwebz, argue, resort to petty name calling, etc...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:19
halbritt
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My favorites:
Conti GP 4-season: awesome tire in every way except that it barely measures 27mm.
Roly Poly: Pretty good tire, measures 28mm fo' reezy.
Conti Gatorskins: Not terrible puncture resistant tire that suffers from the fact that it measures 27.5mm or so
Ruffy Tuffy: Not bad for a puncture resistant tire that measures true 28mm.

Haven't tried but should: All the Schwalbe dudes

Wouldn't ever ride ever: Panaracer Pasela or Pasela TG

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:06
that guy
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Gatorskins > high quality, good feel
Marathons > ditto. reflective sidewalls are nice.
Clement Strada > light, high quality, good for going fast, not much punture protection
Kenda Kwik Tendril > cheap, sturdy
Conti Super Sport > can't tell you because I CAN'T GET THEM ON THE RIMS

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:23
hiljentaa
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Been jammin' the 28c GP4 Seasons on wide rims since winter. Probably have 1.5-2k miles on them so far. I've only flatted once - piece of wire through the top of the sidewall while turning. I dig 'em.

About to try some 29mm Cerfs I grabbed recently. If I hadn't gotten those, I'd likely be buying a set of the Ultremo ZX 28s once the GPs were worn out.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:20
Larry Winget
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I bought some Randos in like 2004 before I knew better. Unsurprisingly they rode like ass, and yet they absolutely refused to die. Flat were relatively few and far between. They were my "oh shit" tires in the parts bin and ended up living on half a dozen bikes.

However, I bought some 32 Randos more recently when I really should have known better and the rear had a sidewall failure after relatively few miles and being run well below the rated pressure so fuck those tires.

I got Ruffy Tuffys for the Shawver but really haven't had a chance to ride them. I think these will probably end up on the Davidson when I rebuild it.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:37
halbritt
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I rode completely through the tread on my GP 4 seasons before I had the 1 and only flat, which was a staple in the road. They were pretty good for puncture protection.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 16:46
cookietruck
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yeah i wore out a gp4 season on the rear of the davidson
took a long time and had zero flats

ps bros, i just ordered some non 28mm tyres from worldclasscycles, a little pricier than the euroway but not much and i needed some stehers
got free shipping too

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 16:55
DDYTDY
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(Reply to #7)

cookietruck wrote:
i needed some stehers

get me into this tyre

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:11
cookietruck
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^ i'll let you know when i get them

they revised them so the tread is black chili tread compound now
23mm tyre, cotton casing, used to be translucent side but now it's black
no puncture belt, atmo 99% of the time your gonna flat whether there's a belt there or not
270 grams, basically a tough track training tub that works awesome on the road too
butyl tube so they don't leakdown and also a regular valvestem so you can add stans if you need. i haven't flatted one.
also the conti basetape is uncoated so they a breeze to glue. won't use a vittoria again coz of the latex glue on the basetape.

this is the current version
http://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/continental-steher-tubular-tire

$56 at worldclasscycles

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:30
cookietruck
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ps they ain't no fmb but they half the price and more durable, i'd say get yr air pressure right and they're 90% the ride of an FMB

i didn't ride those vittoria evo SC tubs either, just sold the two i had coz glue on the basetape, dumb valvestem, and hella supple = hella fragile

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:32
white folks
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love the stayers.
other day i spec'd em for a customer's 303's and he was so stoked

distracted by ass pain

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:19
hambeki
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I like my 28 Gatorskin/Open Pro collabo on the mutt bike.

I hated my 28 T-Servs on the same setup.

I didn't measure either of them because I couldn't give a shit less how many mm I'm missing or whatever.

MoonCat wrote:
All bikes are really just overpriced crosschecks with different geometries.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 03:32
sprinks
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Diggin the 28mm gatorskins on commuter and polo bike. On rhynolite rim, they measured in at 28.4 if i recall my measurement correctly.

so much lurk

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 23:38
yonderboy
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(Reply to #13)

cookietruck wrote:
ps they ain't no fmb but they half the price and more durable, i'd say get yr air pressure right and they're 90% the ride of an FMB

i didn't ride those vittoria evo SC tubs either, just sold the two i had coz glue on the basetape, dumb valvestem, and hella supple = hella fragile

The SC tubs aren't worth it. For that price point the Veloflex Criterium are a better tire.

Stehers or S-33 are the official tire of Alpenrose. I'd roll a set of 27c CG Pave in the road, if I had the cheddar.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 00:17
cookietruck
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i had a 24mm evo cg pave. hated it. was almost glad it flatted after a week.
been thinkin about selling it on dentist forum for hella cheap after putting some stans in it...of course full disclosure

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 09:46
halbritt
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tubular thread is that way ->

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 16:37
akasnowmaaan
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I thought Gatorskins were hated here because they're so pokey slow. I like the 'no flats' part of them, but some other tires are on my list to try soon.

bork bork bork

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 17:14
Larry Winget
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They're not the fastest, but if you think they're poky slow you should get some Rando for some perspective. Don't really do that. Just take my word for it.

Wish Gatorskin 28s came in folding though.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 17:22
hambeki
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There are lots of tires that are substantially shittier than Gatorskinz.

They're also a great option for those of us that hate buying stuff online, because every bike shop in the goddamn universe carries them.

MoonCat wrote:
All bikes are really just overpriced crosschecks with different geometries.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 23:03
biek

i don't get the gatorskin hate
for the type of puncture resistance and durability there isn't another tire that rides better/fast whatever, at least AMTO and in my experience
nb: the gatorskin has unarmored sidewalls, but i believe the "hardshell" version adds sidewall armoring

28c gatorskins rule

but i would only ride gatorskins on a fixed gear bike (for the skids) or commuter bike for the dgaf
there are way better tires for road bike use or even "training" use

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 13:08
biek

perhaps outside the scope of this thread but anyone try the 32c gatorskin?

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 13:08
halbritt
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(Reply to #21)

biekridder wrote:
perhaps outside the scope of this thread but anyone try the 32c gatorskin?

I didn't realize they made a 32c. Probably comes out at a true 28mm. Might be worth checking out. FWIW, I agree with you. Gatorskin is a pretty damned good tire. When I went through the rear of my GP 4 season, I threw an old Gatorskin on the rear and could hardly tell the difference.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 14:46
aek
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I've got 23 tatorz on the Cilo right now and I like em. I'll probably put the 28 tatorz on soon and put those 23's back on the tarck where they came from.

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 14:15
Straws
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how 'bout them Resist Nomads, huh?!

but seriously, I ride gatorskins for work, but I'm stuck in 2006 and still work on a track bike. I still have a total boner for randonneurs but haven't bought one in years. I even went in to Braden's shop a few months back and almost bought some but luckily walked out empty handed.

I really can't give gatorskins enough credit. I ride into work on the only bike lane in the city and it's FULL of glass. I ride through 2 or 3 patches of glass everyday just to and from work and I haven't flatted yet from it. Only staples and such while actually cruising around.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:11
hiljentaa
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So I put the 28/29c (depending on who you ask) Grand BoizZz Cerfs last night in anticipation for the weekly group ride I've been keen on lately. Ended up late to the ride, but decided to just ride solo. Ended up doing a century on 'em the first time out.

Going from the 28c GP 4 Seasons to these yielded some noticeable differences.

They seem to hold momentum better, and roll faster in general. This seemed to be most noticeable while coasting.

Imperfections in the road that I thought were going to be jarring were smoothed out nicely as well.

I'll write more once they are broken in, but for now I am pleased.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 20:45
Roxy
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best 28mm tire is hetres + dimpling your stays with a golf club

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 21:09
vorsprung
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Conti GP4 seasons..good for 2500km, fast, grippy etc then they puncture continuously. Kevlar bead. Actually 26.5mm not 28mm
Gatorskins...reasonably priced, not super fast but not slow. Slightly heavy and not good wet grip however. Puncture resistance excellent until the carcass shows through
Panaracer Pasellas... speed wise, same as Gatorskins but better grip, lighter and more comfy. Kevlar bead. Narrow for a 28mm
Rubino Pro Tech... exactly the same look and feel as a Pasella, except they have superior black side walls
Ultremo ZX... the fastest 28mm ever, grippy, comfy..I think I'm in love. After 2000km the side walls are a morass of cuts so not the most durable. True 28mm
Marathon Supreme... faster than Gatorskin, better grip, stronger than a Pasella but just as light. Kevlar bead. Miracle tyre.
Marathon Plus...slow, heavy, not great wet grip but durable and super puncture resistant. Last about 10,000 miles during which time expect one puncture or less. Good for commuting
Conti Sport Contact...don't bother

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 09:59
halbritt
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(Reply to #27)

vorsprung wrote:
Conti GP4 seasons..good for 2500km, fast, grippy etc then they puncture continuously. Kevlar bead. Actually 26.5mm not 28mm
Gatorskins...reasonably priced, not super fast but not slow. Slightly heavy and not good wet grip however. Puncture resistance excellent until the carcass shows through
Panaracer Pasellas... speed wise, same as Gatorskins but better grip, lighter and more comfy. Kevlar bead. Narrow for a 28mm
Rubino Pro Tech... exactly the same look and feel as a Pasella, except they have superior black side walls
Ultremo ZX... the fastest 28mm ever, grippy, comfy..I think I'm in love. After 2000km the side walls are a morass of cuts so not the most durable. True 28mm
Marathon Supreme... faster than Gatorskin, better grip, stronger than a Pasella but just as light. Kevlar bead. Miracle tyre.
Marathon Plus...slow, heavy, not great wet grip but durable and super puncture resistant. Last about 10,000 miles during which time expect one puncture or less. Good for commuting
Conti Sport Contact...don't bother

This makes me doubt your other assertions. Also, GP 4 Season is closer to 26mm even.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 10:42
hiljentaa
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Not on wide rims.

Mon, 07/30/2012 - 11:08
stronglight1047
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ultremo is spendy retail and i can't brodeal them. anyone have experience with the schwalbe durano? labeled 28, supposed to weigh 230g.

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 18:43
vorsprung
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(Reply to #30)

halbritt wrote:
vorsprung wrote:
Panaracer Pasellas... speed wise, same as Gatorskins but better grip, lighter and more comfy. Kevlar bead. Narrow for a 28mm

This makes me doubt your other assertions. Also, GP 4 Season is closer to 26mm even.

I haven't used Pasellas for a couple of years and the manufacturers keep changing them. Maybe they used to be faster?

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 09:38
halbritt
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Nah, they've always sucked. Gatorskins are a bit faster than Ruffy Tuffys as well.

I measured GP 4 seasons on Open Pros. Came out 26.03mm or thereabouts. They're probably better on 23mm rims.

Doesn't seem like anyone can bro-deal a schwalbe tire.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:30
bobbythehawk
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(Reply to #32)

halbritt wrote:
Nah, they've always sucked. Gatorskins are a bit faster than Ruffy Tuffys as well.

I measured GP 4 seasons on Open Pros. Came out 26.03mm or thereabouts. They're probably better on 23mm rims.

Doesn't seem like anyone can bro-deal a schwalbe tire.

Nah they sell direct to retailers - kinda a pita to deal with honestly.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:58
halbritt
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(Reply to #33)

bobbythehawk wrote:
halbritt wrote:
Nah, they've always sucked. Gatorskins are a bit faster than Ruffy Tuffys as well.

I measured GP 4 seasons on Open Pros. Came out 26.03mm or thereabouts. They're probably better on 23mm rims.

Doesn't seem like anyone can bro-deal a schwalbe tire.

Nah they sell direct to retailers - kinda a pita to deal with honestly.

Fucking Germans. I wouldn't ever buy their overpriced tires if they weren't so damned good.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:37
JUGE FREDD
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Cyclone stocks most of their utility tires but not many of the ballin ones, but what they do have is at solid wholesale pricing.

But dudes really just import tires yourself from euro retailers. There are no domestic brodeals to be had, at best you'll cut out one of the extra 2-3 middlemen.

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Wed, 08/01/2012 - 19:51
Rentable Faxmachine
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If I like Rando Hypers (in 32), but want a true 28mm tahr, I should get what?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 11:51
blumpkin

grand bois cerf

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 17:52
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #37)

blumpkin wrote:
grand bois cerf

Are they flat-magnets?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 20:35
biek

yes

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 23:42
jeffro
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Those Kenda Karvs Braden reviewed are giving me most of it. Would not have found out about them without Tarck. Thanks!

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 23:51
blumpkin
(Reply to #40)

biekridder wrote:
yes

have you used them?

Ive been on a pair of cypres for 6 months. city streets mostly with glass all over the place. zero flats. 155lbs, about 55psi, and check for glass embedded in tire when I lube up the chain once a week.

the tires fucking rule. I wouldnt hesitate to run cerfs.

Sat, 09/15/2012 - 00:05
euflavine
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(Reply to #41)

blumpkin wrote:
biekridder wrote:
yes

have you used them?

Ive been on a pair of cypres for 6 months. city streets mostly with glass all over the place. zero flats. 155lbs, about 55psi, and check for glass embedded in tire when I lube up the chain once a week.

the tires fucking rule. I wouldnt hesitate to run cerfs.

I had the same experience, and then had two flats and a sidewall tear in the last 1200km.

They ride great though, so I think it's worth it, just swap out the rear when it's getting thin.

Sat, 09/15/2012 - 00:13
Blakey
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(Reply to #42)

blumpkin wrote:
have you used them?
the tires fucking rule. I wouldnt hesitate to run cerfs.

Yep, I've been commuting and doing a bunch of other miles on 26mm cerfs for 2-3 years now (2x pr, just retired the second today). Australian city streets where there's no bottle deposit system, so more broken glass. In that time I've had perhaps 7-8 flats, one was a 2" nail, one was a pinch on tram tracks, the rest small bits of glass. Couldn't really be happier with them.

Have some parigi-roubaix to replace them, but will likely go straight back to cerfs afterwards.

Sat, 09/15/2012 - 07:49
Brian W.
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rode 28c gatorskins @ D2R2 This year and they held up awesome! had put some commuting miles on them before hand and never had a problem. heavy and pita to mount though.... thats not really a big deal i guess.

Sat, 09/15/2012 - 13:27
Endpoint
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25mm pro4 standard on TB-14.

Measures just over 27mm. Mounted today. Will hopefully stretch a bit.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:49
liquify
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thats awesome.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 19:37
CheshireCat
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parigi roubaix. love them so far.

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Mon, 09/24/2012 - 19:57
DDYTDY
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(Reply to #47)

lwkwafi wrote:
thats awesome.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 20:15
Blakey
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(Reply to #48)

Blakey wrote:
Have some parigi-roubaix to replace them, but will likely go straight back to cerfs afterwards.

3 weeks in, great tyres.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 06:02
ergott
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25mm Michelin Pro3s on my wide rims are 27mm. Great setup.

Schwalbe tires @ www.hawleyusa.com Have your shop setup an account. Great people.

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Tue, 09/25/2012 - 08:35
pirate
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Has anyone ridden those clement 28s?

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Tue, 09/25/2012 - 21:10

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