Cargobikes

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iamrik
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Cargobikes

Coming half year or so I'll be designing a cargo bike for a major bike company in Holland (30,000+ bikes a year) that is to be brought on the market in 2013. Meant for transporting kids to school, groceries, etc. Two wheeled, cargo in front of rider but behind front wheel.

Unfortunately I know shit about these type of bikes. I reckon there are some people here that have ridden them or own one so I figured I would ask.

I have complete control over the frame, the cargobox and the styling.
Putting parts on it when that is done is someone else's task.

For me, most important:
Not look boring
Not weigh 10 tons (read: <25 kg)

We talking about these things:

School me, what can we fuck up and what must we absolutely do?

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 04:49
JUGE FREDD
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Read the entirety of this blog's history: http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2012/

especially the review stuff like this: http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/04/29/the-fake-bakfiets-cargobikes-keep-on-coming/

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Tue, 02/14/2012 - 06:28
Face
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iamrik wrote:
Coming half year or so I'll be designing a cargo bike for a major bike company in Holland

...

Unfortunately I know shit about these type of bikes.

quit your job and let someone who knows what the fuck they're doing take over.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 09:42
Rusty Piton
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It boggles my mind when ignorant people feel the need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
Listen to Face.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 09:55
timberland boots
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(Reply to #4)

Face wrote:
iamrik wrote:
Coming half year or so I'll be designing a cargo bike for a major bike company in Holland

...

Unfortunately I know shit about these type of bikes.

quit your job and let someone who knows what the fuck they're doing take over.

Of course, there is a strong precedent of designers planning bikes without knowing how they work, maybe yours could be the next spokeless wheeled belt drive cargo bike that is also a coffee table

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Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:22
iamrik
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(Reply to #5)

Rusty Piton wrote:
It boggles my mind when ignorant people feel the need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
Listen to Face.

We'd all be rolling on penny farthings if that was the mindset.
I understand bikes. Just not cargobikes. Yet.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:24
Russell
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(Reply to #6)

Smitty wrote:
Face wrote:
iamrik wrote:
Coming half year or so I'll be designing a cargo bike for a major bike company in Holland

...

Unfortunately I know shit about these type of bikes.

quit your job and let someone who knows what the fuck they're doing take over.

Of course, there is a strong precedent of designers planning bikes without knowing how they work, maybe yours could be the next spokeless wheeled belt drive cargo bike that is also a coffee table

fucking luld

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:24
Orc
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(Reply to #7)

Buffalo Bill wrote:
especially the review stuff like this: http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/04/29/the-fake-bakfiets-cargobikes-keep-on-coming/

But, aside from an unspecific "the chinese are icky" tone, isn't the primary complaint in this post that the components on them are awful? The best-designed frame will founder on those same rocks if the price is brought down by outfitting it with junky components.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:50
Russell
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Make sure to add a pedal powered coffee grinder and a tequila bar

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:37
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #9)

Russell wrote:
Smitty wrote:
Face wrote:
iamrik wrote:
Coming half year or so I'll be designing a cargo bike for a major bike company in Holland
...
Unfortunately I know shit about these type of bikes.

quit your job and let someone who knows what the fuck they're doing take over.

Of course, there is a strong precedent of designers planning bikes without knowing how they work, maybe yours could be the next spokeless wheeled belt drive cargo bike that is also a coffee table

fucking luld

quit your job
put someone else with more experience there.

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:03
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #10)

Rusty Piton wrote:
It boggles my mind when ignorant people feel the need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
Listen to Face.

Those bikes are the shit.

Light, strong, handle well unloaded, come sensibly speced at a lot of different price points, come in fun colors, and fit a variety of riders. The adjustable threadless stem setup is particularly brilliant. The relatively narrow width is also nice. More appropriate for a US-style bike lane than a Bakfiets.

The only thing lacking atmo is a good child carrier. This is an area where most "cargo" bikes suck. You spend a fuckload of money and your kids sit on a plywood box or in a plastic tub. Sure, you can build something cool but not everyone wants a project.

So, if I had one piece of advice it would be work on a child carrier that is comfortable, has a good restraint system, is weatherproof (won't get funky or soggy), has a good optional canopy/windshield, and can be installed on/removed from the bike quickly (like under a minute). Modular/configurable would be cool too (two small kids, big kid/small kid, small kid/lockbox, etc...).

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Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:31
jimmythefly
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deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:43
timberland boots
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(Reply to #12)

tarckeemoon wrote:
Modular/configurable would be cool too (two small kids, big kid/small kid, small kid/lockbox, etc...).

Lockbox to put your kids in would be a hot seller ATMO

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Tue, 02/14/2012 - 13:21
timberland boots
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Bro if you meet a sup girl at the bar you can't fit her in no fucking animal carrier smiley

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Tue, 02/14/2012 - 13:29
Russell
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(Reply to #14)

Smitty wrote:
Bro if you meet a sup girl at the bar you can't fit her in no fucking animal carrier smiley

Disagreeing from personal experience

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 14:18
eric_ssucks
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1: Easy steering
2: Low weight
3: Not stupid box design.
4: Stiff chassis.
5: Low price.

pick 3, make it happen.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 14:27
skregzilla
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(Reply to #16)

Smitty wrote:
tarckeemoon wrote:
Modular/configurable would be cool too (two small kids, big kid/small kid, small kid/lockbox, etc...).

Lockbox to put your kids in would be a hot seller ATMO

Look at the cop dude in the middle's hat. Seriously? Can you get a hat that's not 3 sizes too small? I bet he rides a sw8 fixie to work 3 sizes too large to compensate.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 16:33
Sneaky Viking
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you should incorporate some giant glow sticks in your design.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 20:01
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #18)

Sneaky Viking wrote:
you should incorporate some giant glow dicks in your design.

FTFY

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 20:04
iamrik
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tarckeemoon wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
It boggles my mind when ignorant people feel the need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
Listen to Face.

Those bikes are the shit.

Light, strong, handle well unloaded, come sensibly speced at a lot of different price points, come in fun colors, and fit a variety of riders. The adjustable threadless stem setup is particularly brilliant. The relatively narrow width is also nice. More appropriate for a US-style bike lane than a Bakfiets.

The only thing lacking atmo is a good child carrier. This is an area where most "cargo" bikes suck. You spend a fuckload of money and your kids sit on a plywood box or in a plastic tub. Sure, you can build something cool but not everyone wants a project.

So, if I had one piece of advice it would be work on a child carrier that is comfortable, has a good restraint system, is weatherproof (won't get funky or soggy), has a good optional canopy/windshield, and can be installed on/removed from the bike quickly (like under a minute). Modular/configurable would be cool too (two small kids, big kid/small kid, small kid/lockbox, etc...).

Modular is a word that's been doing some bouncing around here in the office. Good one.

Goddamnit I knew that thread existed but failed to use tarckspelling.

eric_s wrote:
1: Easy steering
2: Low weight
3: Not stupid box design.
4: Stiff chassis.
5: Low price.

pick 3, make it happen.

First four doable, last one just fucks it up.

Glow dicks as option or standard?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:00
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #20)

iamrik wrote:
Modular is a word that's been doing some bouncing around here in the office. Good one.

Send me a prototype. smiley

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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:44
Face
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(Reply to #21)

eric_s wrote:
Sneaky Viking wrote:
you should incorporate some giant dicks in your mouth.

FTFY

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:33
Crommy
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(Reply to #22)

iamrik wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
It boggles my mind when ignorant people feel the need to reinvent the wheel.
http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
Listen to Face.

We'd all be rolling on penny farthings if that was the mindset.
I understand bikes. Just not cargobikes. Yet.

Id love to hear this bit explained.

Well theres an issue that no bakfiets thus far has managed to overcome. Steering. I have found that if you actually put a 26" wheel in front and a 20" wheel in back it handles like a dream. I would highly suggest doing so on your first prototype.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 15:10
Elderbear
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(Reply to #23)

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 16:52
motorbacon
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fuck you and your cargo bikes

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:32
jimmythefly
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PLZ start NAHBS pics/discussion of pics thrad.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:35
motorbacon
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fuck you. this is cargo biek thred. cargo biek go here.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:42
Lippy
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https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/5256736158.html

If I had a large bank account, I might just...



Happily shuffling between rural corn dog stands.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 10:52
ShartAttack
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Can't say I approve of a drop-bar cargo bike but to each their own

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 11:24
Rusty Piton
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So many headsets!

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 11:29
Lippy
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(Reply to #30)

ShartAttack wrote:
Can't say I approve of a drop-bar cargo bike but to each their own

But do you approve of mixte cargo bikes?

Happily shuffling between rural corn dog stands.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 12:01
NOVELTYNAME
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theres a whole nother cargobiek thread

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 12:03
Lippy
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(Reply to #32)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
theres a whole nother cargobiek thread

No doubt there is. I used search to find at least on of them. Stuff around here is in one big pile so default behavior is to grab what is on top.

Happily shuffling between rural corn dog stands.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 12:20
joy of vaping
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i think if i got a cagro bike, i'd want one i could haul small people and dogs around in without them hitting their head on the frame.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 13:52
Lippy
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(Reply to #34)

It's not terribly practical in a lot of ways. I think it's an Oregon Manifest bike.

Happily shuffling between rural corn dog stands.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 14:29
Lippy
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(Reply to #35)

It's not terribly practical in a lot of ways. I think it's an Oregon Manifest bike.

Happily shuffling between rural corn dog stands.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 14:31
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #36)

Lippy wrote:
It's an Oregon Manifest bike.

FTFY.

Lots of spitballin' at that competition.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 14:44
jamey
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(Reply to #37)

Rusty Piton wrote:
So many headsets!

Salivating over how much height could be added up?

truckdoug "never turn down free beer, dont stick your dick where you wouldnt put your face, and always ride shimano"

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 14:54
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #38)

jamey wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
So many headsets!

Salivating over how much height could be added up?

Lol.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 14:59
Rusty Piton
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lollin.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/08/2015 - 16:22