Tarck Arts and Carfts. Post your home-built bikey stuff.

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Blakey
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(Reply to #351)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
Every time I come to a rest after descent the two front velcro loops are completely unattached.
Wondering if Swift should've waited before going from Version 1 to Version 2 style which they switched to when making my orange bag per my request.
I think a few Tarckers have Version 1 with the wide velcro webbing band in the center front.

I have the wide front Velcro and it's terrible. Comes undone after a few km of tarmac.

Really need to get cracking on my ortlieb mod

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 17:50
Andrew_Squirrel
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oof.
Has anyone ever tried adding heavy duty snaps (like you see on western shirts) to the factory velcro straps?

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 18:00
buffoon
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On my diy bag it was 1" webbing secured with a tri glide and Velcro. It was totally inadequate.

I need to try ortlieb.

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 18:06
jimmythefly
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I have what I think is one solution. Lemme mess around with it a bit more this evening in the garage and then I will post pics.

I'm working with my Orc bag or just with a sheet of coroplast for the moment, if seems good I'll stop by your place some time Squirrel and see how it would maybe work on your bag/rack combo.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 18:06
drwelby
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(Reply to #355)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
oof.
Has anyone ever tried adding heavy duty snaps (like you see on western shirts) to the factory velcro straps?

Yeah, I did on my homerbag after I ran into the same problem with the straps coming loose. Works fine except that they can get sticky with corrosion/mineralization if they're left alone for a while.

It might work to use a velcro strap that goes around a d-ring and back to itself so that the tension is loading the velcro in shear instead of peel.

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 18:08
Blakey
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I am currently using a pair of hot pink mtb toe straps from the d rings to the side rails. Totally solid but slows bag removal.

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 18:21
Rusty Piton
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From my five mile commute home I can report that the ortlieb mod works way better than bungee x Velcro colab. I Expected it to rattle around a bit but it's actually quieter even with a sixer of bottles and my lock and orther assorted crap in it.
I think I may move the clips to the front rail to engineer some tension between the clips and the tombstone loop.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 08/25/2015 - 19:36
jimmythefly
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Idea #1:
Pen Pal pen clip thingy meant for clipboards, adhesive-backed rubber. Tested with a coroplast box I made to fit a different rack but never finished. Rack tubing is 5/16" (8mm / 0.3125")





Really satisfying fit around the tubing, pops on and off easily. TOO easily actually, this would bounce right off the rack even on a city street. But this could be a good option for limiting the box/bag movement side-to-side, as long as there was some other mechanism holding it down to the rack.

5/16 or 8mm tubing seems perfect, any larger and I don't think would grip as well. Maybe some dots of hot melt glue could be added to the outer groove of the penpal to stiffen it up a bit? Also my rack is unpainted, I bet with nice smooth powder there woudl be a bit more friction between rubber and rack tubes.

The rubber of the penpal is pretty soft and should be able to be sewn to the underside of a fabric bag with no issues, IMO but would need to test to see if the stitching would actually eventually pull through the rubber or ? Perhaps VHB or glue to fabric would work better.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:29
jimmythefly
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Idea #2

Hose clips meant for hydration tubes. Amazingly my Orcbag already has strips of 1" webbing on the underside for use as an additional tie-down point. Double-amazingly they are in the right location for use with my rack. Triple-amazingly I had 2 hydration packs in the house I could steal hose clips from!


This seems pretty awesome. Bag is VERY secure, I could lift up the entire bike by it (but concerned for pulling stitching). Just enough play in 1" webbing strips that I can take the bag on/off the bike fairly easily.

I'll be leaving these in place and using them for a while to see if there are any downsides. Mounting to an existing bag would mean adding 1" webbing strips for most folks (I think?). In production the webbing could perhaps be mounted at a slight angle so that depending on where the clip is located it coudl work for a variety of front racks, which many have very similar tube spacing.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:36
jimmythefly
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Further investigation:
1.
Hydration hose clips come in many shapes. The ones I used are on-piece molded, and I think these will be far superior to the 2-piece type that are meant to come apart.

http://www.johnhowardcompany.com/Hydration%20Tube%20Holder.htm


http://www.texnetinc.com/products/commercial/plastic.html


http://www.mec.ca/product/5031-986/mec-replacement-hydration-pack-hose-clip/


http://www.amazon.com/OneTigris-Tactical-Military-Hydration-Clips/dp/B00ORP08UG

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:41
Whippin Skidz
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That's pretty clever. I've been planning on using p-clamps and lock nuts for my bag/rack interface to keep folks from walking away with it (and for stability, since I'm using a bar mount bag with the KlikFix crap removed and it wasn't designed to sit on a rack). I've got some hydro bags sitting in my closet, I'll have to pull the clips off and see what I can do with em.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:43
jimmythefly
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2.
Tent pole clips. A quick search and there are a bunch of styles of these, but all pretty similar. Not usually as adjustable as the tube clips, but maybe better for a permanently sewn-on application?


deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:44
Andrew_Squirrel
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Very cool ideas Jimmy!
Thanks for sharing

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:44
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #364)

GnarShred wrote:
That's pretty clever. I've been planning on using p-clamps and lock nuts for my bag/rack interface to keep folks from walking away with it (and for stability, since I'm using a bar mount bag with the KlikFix crap removed and it wasn't designed to sit on a rack). I've got some hydro bags sitting in my closet, I'll have to pull the clips off and see what I can do with em.

I hear this from people often yet i've never had a desire to leave the bag with the bike (unless touring/camping) when commuting or riding around town. Aren't you worried that someone will rummage through your bag and just take all the things they want?

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:47
jimmythefly
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3.
Industrial hose clips.



deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:51
Andrew_Squirrel
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I wonder if you could line the bottom of the bag with 20 of those and the total clip power would hold in place.
To remove you just peel from one corner to fight the retention of them one at a time

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:54
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #367)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
Very cool ideas Jimmy!
Thanks for sharing

I brought an extra penpal thingy to work, I'll hide somewhere near your door or garage and you can futz with it.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:54
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #368)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I wonder if you could line the bottom of the bag with 20 of those and the total clip power would hold in place.
To remove you just peel from one corner to fight the retention of them one at a time

I was thinking about the problem and I wonder if part of the current velcro strap issue isn't so much that the bag bounces upward, but that as the bag shifts side-to-side the rack tube slowly acts like a wedge that separates the velcro a bit with each movement? So maybe a combo solution of clips to limit side sway + velcro hold-downs to limit upward movement would work?

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 14:56
NOVELTYNAME
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Damn jimmy with the r&d
Tarcklebee nomination for most studious

"Folks want options!"

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 15:09
buffoon
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(Reply to #370)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Damn jimmy with the r&d
Tarcklebee nomination for most studious

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 15:17
buffoon
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(Reply to #371)

jimmythefly wrote:
Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
I wonder if you could line the bottom of the bag with 20 of those and the total clip power would hold in place.
To remove you just peel from one corner to fight the retention of them one at a time

I was thinking about the problem and I wonder if part of the current velcro strap issue isn't so much that the bag bounces upward, but that as the bag shifts side-to-side the rack tube slowly acts like a wedge that separates the velcro a bit with each movement? So maybe a combo solution of clips to limit side sway + velcro hold-downs to limit upward movement would work?

On my bag I used a combo of triglide and looped back Velcro and they still come off.
I'm not sure why but it's probably just the combination of vibration/wind/dirt messing things up.

Out of all the clips, i think the one piece hydration hose and tent pole look best.

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 15:21
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #372)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
GnarShred wrote:
That's pretty clever. I've been planning on using p-clamps and lock nuts for my bag/rack interface to keep folks from walking away with it (and for stability, since I'm using a bar mount bag with the KlikFix crap removed and it wasn't designed to sit on a rack). I've got some hydro bags sitting in my closet, I'll have to pull the clips off and see what I can do with em.

I hear this from people often yet i've never had a desire to leave the bag with the bike (unless touring/camping) when commuting or riding around town. Aren't you worried that someone will rummage through your bag and just take all the things they want?

Not really. If someone wants a spare tube or a patch kit, they can have it I guess. Any valuables get moved from the bike to my pockets when I get off. When I ride to work I just lean my bike against my desk, when I'm out I'm not really locking up for very long (ie not locking up down the block from the bar while I get drunk, just while I have a coffee or run into a store for a snack). I understand people's concern, just not applicable in my case.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 15:35
hiljentaa
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(Reply to #373)

buffoon wrote:
NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Damn jimmy with the r&d
Tarcklebee nomination for most studious

Always love Jimmyposts.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 17:08
Shortpants
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(Reply to #374)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
GnarShred wrote:
That's pretty clever. I've been planning on using p-clamps and lock nuts for my bag/rack interface to keep folks from walking away with it (and for stability, since I'm using a bar mount bag with the KlikFix crap removed and it wasn't designed to sit on a rack). I've got some hydro bags sitting in my closet, I'll have to pull the clips off and see what I can do with em.

I hear this from people often yet i've never had a desire to leave the bag with the bike (unless touring/camping) when commuting or riding around town. Aren't you worried that someone will rummage through your bag and just take all the things they want?

Don't you live in the cycling utopia of flannel and nice people?

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 17:27
johnasavoia
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Thanks for the awesome knowledgebomb jimmy

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 17:55
Andrew_Squirrel
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Seattle certainly isn't a safe place to lock up a bike, bike theft announcements on FB seem fairly constant.
Example:
Our local bicycle infrastructure advocacy nerd, employed by the largest bicycle club in the country, recently had his brand new bike stolen and subsequently returned in this heartwarming story:
http://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2015/08/03/community-unites-to-buy-honest-stolen-bike-buyer-an-even-better-ride/

11 days after his bike was returned it was stolen again and, as of today, still unaccounted for.

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 17:55
eric_ssucks
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Basically he has shitty lockup technique?

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 18:25
cheese
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(Reply to #378)

johnasavoia wrote:
Thanks for the awesome knowledgebomb jimmy

Wed, 08/26/2015 - 20:38
bward1028

We wanted some more twist-resist tools for wheelbuilding, but they are super expensive for what they are. so we bought some fourth hand tools and modified them the exact same way.

Our name is "Rotate-Abate."

Sun, 12/13/2015 - 13:55
Lowrey'sOrgan
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Awzm name

Sun, 12/13/2015 - 21:57
Face
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That's awesome and reminds me that I need a 4th hand tool just for regular 4th handing...
How are they modified? Cut a groove to grab onto the spoke?

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Mon, 12/14/2015 - 12:03
bobbythehawk
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only thing i'd want is a small bit of something to keep the tool from marking up black spokes

Mon, 12/14/2015 - 12:13
ryker

I have one but can't quite figure out why it's necessary.

Mon, 12/14/2015 - 12:18
bward1028
(Reply to #384)

Face wrote:
That's awesome and reminds me that I need a 4th hand tool just for regular 4th handing...
How are they modified? Cut a groove to grab onto the spoke?

we cut off the part that pushes against the derailler.

even the legit twist resist tools are just modified versions of this Hozan tool. They are still marked "Hozan" underneath the "Twist-Resist" sticker

Mon, 12/14/2015 - 12:19
Face
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Oh, I get it now. Very cool.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Mon, 12/14/2015 - 12:51
crowding
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Sat, 04/02/2016 - 18:56
buffoon
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!!! Would

Lippy wrote:
a measured amount of muscle and hate when installing should keep that from happening.

Sat, 04/02/2016 - 19:38
ShinyTravisto
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*moved to bike shop lulz

Sun, 04/03/2016 - 15:16
Rusty Piton
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You make those shifters, I buy them.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Sun, 04/03/2016 - 15:32
Eric Estlund

I've been meaning to make a rotate abate. Good use of the label maker, btw.

Sun, 04/03/2016 - 16:24
crowding
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Shapeways would do the handles in laser fused alu.... for $200 a pair

Getting a plastic print to check on the cable pull and range

Sun, 04/03/2016 - 19:57
NOVELTYNAME
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What are the guts?
Also want

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 04/03/2016 - 20:07
crowding
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for simplex retrofriction internals, shaped to suit shimano barcon mounts

Sun, 04/03/2016 - 20:15
crowding
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plastic is a bit flexy but I think it'll hold up

should pull enough to shift a 10sp shadow dangler over 10 or 11 cogs

getting very fussy with my cable setup

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 23:58
Rusty Piton
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Do they come in black?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 09:41
dorth
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dang that cable setup is slick as fuck. brass tube?

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 10:57
jimmythefly
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Damn that is sweet! What material are they made of? Level of finish looks real nice.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Mon, 06/27/2016 - 16:12
Shortpants
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Neat shifter thingy but seriously on this cable setup. What's the story? That does not look like normal housing.

Tue, 06/28/2016 - 03:08
oogens
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fuel tubing for model airplanes or something? then running nokon liner inside it?

Tue, 06/28/2016 - 03:22
VT regularbike
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It's just shiny housing there's some chrome looking housing on the wife's bike, I'm sure that's the same stuff just a different color. Like this...

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Tue, 06/28/2016 - 07:24

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