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asterisk
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Sorta digging Santa Cruz's new Superlight 29er:

Single pivots: do they give you too much of it?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 00:15
timberland boots
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Sorta digging just about everything Santa Cruz does ATMO. Would like to get a Nomad if I were to start heading out west to ride actual mountains semi regularly. Also their philosophy on not fucking around with stupid proprietary bearing sizes or parts wherever possible is refreshing

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 09:51
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #203)

asterisk wrote:
Sorta digging Santa Cruz's new Superlight 29er:

Single pivots: do they give you too much of it?

Single pivots give you most of it, and maintenance is reduced to...almost none. They aren't going to stay as active under pedaling as four-bar or multi-link designs, but the good single pivots I've ridden have a tendency to get firm and push the wheel into the ground under seated pedaling. They don't pedal as well as something like DW link or VPP, but they really are fine. You will have just as much fun and be 95% as efficient and have super easy maintenance. I could see myself moving to a more advanced suspension design sometime down the line, but for now, I'm super happy with my burly, unrefined single pivot bike. Just get on and go.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:30
deadforkinglast
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Here is another thing Santa Cruz does that I like:

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/santa-cruz-bicycles-test-lab.html

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:09
asterisk
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Thanks DFL. I was starting to get a little depressed adding up totals for a Bandit29 or Tallboy. The Superlight definitely seems within reach... although it sounds like they are starting with completes first and frame only sales will be a few months down the line.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:49
akasnowmaaan
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Heard lots of good stuff about the Salsa Spearfish if you want similar levels of simplicity/maintenance in an XC-level amount of travel.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:01
motorbacon
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Friend of mine has a spearfish. Loves it. Races it.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 17:00
Face
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Santa Cruz single pivot: new bearings every year if you weigh more than a sack of potatoes and ride more than once a week.DJ

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 17:33
deadforkinglast
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Most full suspensions need new bearings every year or two. With Superlights and Hecklers, at least there aren't many bearings to replace.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 18:30
deadforkinglast
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By comparison, my buddy's Cannondale Rize has needed four sets of new bearings in two years.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 18:31
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #211)

deadforkinglast wrote:
Most full suspensions need new bearings every year or two. With Superlights and Hecklers, at least there aren't many bearings to replace.

Santa Cruz was notorious about needing them faster than usual. My buddy with the Blur had to get four sets in less than 2 years, double the amount compared to his previous bike. Not sure if that's fixed. They also used to have really bad rear triangle cracking in the Blur too but that's been fixed.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 18:38
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #212)

akasnowmaaan wrote:
deadforkinglast wrote:
Most full suspensions need new bearings every year or two. With Superlights and Hecklers, at least there aren't many bearings to replace.

Santa Cruz was notorious about needing them faster than usual. My buddy with the Blur had to get four sets in less than 2 years, double the amount compared to his previous bike. Not sure if that's fixed. They also used to have really bad rear triangle cracking in the Blur too but that's been fixed.

The old VPP bikes are definitely extra bad about that. I was replacing some earlier this year and one of my coworkers was explaining that the bearings in the lower link were more susceptible because of the relatively small range of motion it had, which put tons of wear right in one area all the time. Or something. They've somewhat remedied that with the grease ports they put into the new ones. The bearings still need more attention than normal, but it's easier to do now, at least.

For the single pivots, I hadn't heard about bearing wear being much worse than most bikes, but I don't work at a SC dealer, so I don't see them all the time or anything.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 18:50
Face
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To compare two opposite ends of the spectrum, I used to replace DU bushings and full pivot bearings once every 2-3 months on some racerbros giant anthems and another racerbro has Ben running the same bearings on his kona coilair for a couple years.

Same kona racerbro has the original bearings in his 8 year old kona stab.

tl;dr get kona, never replace pivots.

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 21:56
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Speaking of DU bushing and how stupid they are, when I get my rear linkage bearings serviced I'm going to swap in a set of these

http://www.enduroforkseals.com/id275.html

Every review of them has said the difference is incredible, which would make sense considering you're replacing a bushing with a bearing

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:03
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And speaking as well of Santa Cruz, pinkbike posted a video of them doing some destructive testing on their Nomad aluminum and Carbon frames. Fucking crazy how much either frame withstood before breaking, but even crazier how much stronger the carbon frame is.

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/santa-cruz-bicycles-test-lab.html

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:29
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listen carefully to the sounds of them testing the carbon bike. you can tell that right around 800 the splintering sounds indicate that the structure is likely compromised.

I ate shit this way. Crashed my bike a couple times nothing bad (road bike)
was hauling ass and the rear seat stay went kaboom.
funny part: I was whining about how flexy my bike was feeling a few weeks prior.

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:08
curiousincident
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still pretty awesome to watch these dudes swing a carbon frame at a cement block as hard as they can and watch it just bounce off.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:42
timberland boots
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Yeah, I just thought it was a rad video, especially to watch how much the frames compressed and deformed before giving out.

Also the combination of regular pinkbike stupidity and unfounded opinions about carbon is pretty funny in the comments section

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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:45
deadforkinglast
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I love pinkbike comments sections. So many lulz.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:20
Face
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i lol every time someone assumes that just because something is carbon that it is weak.

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Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:58
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #221)

CheshireCat wrote:
listen carefully to the sounds of them testing the carbon bike. you can tell that right around 800 the splintering sounds indicate that the structure is likely compromised.

I ate shit this way. Crashed my bike a couple times nothing bad (road bike)
was hauling ass and the rear seat stay went kaboom.
funny part: I was whining about how flexy my bike was feeling a few weeks prior.

Awesome, in a way. I've been spouting this opinion for a while: carbon doesn't just go BOOM! out of the blue -it gives you a warning most of the time.

-edit to clarify: According to almost everyone I've talked to that's killed a carbon frame or part. Have yet to kill my own.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:04
johnnyraja
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Last night we finished building up my brother's old Access 29er frame for a friend of his that wants to get back into riding. He got a 2x10 sram setup for pretty cheap (but it came with fucking Juicy 3's), some Time Atacs, and is otherwise using mostly the stuff that originally came on the bike. We are excite to take this dude riding this weekend.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
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Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:25
anomaly

Put in a decent amount of riding yesterday on a Gary Fisher Cobia and was extremely impressed. It climbs like a motherfucker with an Ignitor in the rear.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:28
bobbythehawk
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johnny - lets set a date for tarckup MTB eastcoast bash

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 12:05
johnnyraja
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Word. Let me get in touch with my brother to see when he can stand to host me for a weekend. Unless you wanna come down here. We've got a good 50 or so mile network in my town.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 12:10
bobbythehawk
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word. Always welcome to crash up in here in baltimore (your bro too)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 14:08
anomaly
(Reply to #227)

richbobby wrote:
johnny - lets set a date for tarckup MTB eastcoast bash

I thought that is what we were doing on Saturday @ Gambril

I'm Tarckmount if you were unaware...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 15:57
bobbythehawk
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I'd recognize dat sweet pink getup grundle anywhere!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:05
johnnyraja
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(Reply to #229)

Mr. Bear wrote:
richbobby wrote:
johnny - lets set a date for tarckup MTB eastcoast bash

I thought that is what we were doing on Saturday @ Gambril

I'm Tarckmount if you were unaware...

Just googled Gambril and found this video. I need those cranks that pop up at the 30 second mark.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:12
timberland boots
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Never have I seen people so intent on finding fun descents, and then inexplicably riding up them.

Crazy people

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Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:23
motorbacon
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Technical climbs are fun

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:34
anomaly
(Reply to #232)

Smitty wrote:
Never have I seen people so intent on finding fun descents, and then inexplicably riding up them.

Crazy people

I like tech climbs, but I am better at tech descents.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:37
timberland boots
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(Reply to #233)

motorbacon wrote:
Technical climbs are fun

Smitty wrote:
Crazy people

ATMO

Climbing is just the thing you have to do before the fun part

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Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:42
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #234)

Smitty wrote:
Never have I seen people so intent on finding fun descents, and then inexplicably riding up them.

Crazy people

That's exactly what I was thinking!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:44
johnnyraja
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Hey Smitty HOW'S THAT MOUNTAIN DEW BRO?

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:45
timberland boots
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CODE RED@!#

How's that... whatever roadies drink all the time. Gel stuff. Hammer drink. Fucking... water or something.

Bro smiley

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Fri, 02/24/2012 - 16:54
CheshireCat
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i need a dinglespeed 29er.

i have a total build kit for one minus wheels here. schweet barz, bb7 brakes, white bros crabon fork.
need to call carl back but so busy :(

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Fri, 02/24/2012 - 17:00
Russell
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(Reply to #238)

Smitty wrote:
CODE RED@!#

How's that... whatever roadies drink all the time. Gel stuff. Hammer drink. Fucking... water or something.

Bro smiley

agua panela for artisinal reenactment roadie bros

and johnny, out mountain dew has no caffieenes and is delicious.
hows the biscuits and gravy?

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 02:11
johnnyraja
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Oh man when I was in Egypt I was trying to explain to someone why biscuits and gravy rule so hard.

But I couldn't convince him that bread with liquid bread sauce was awesome.

Whatever stupid Egyptian have fun eating your stupid koshari. Fucking macaroni with lentils is your national dish?

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 10:29
timberland boots
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Also speaking of drinks, when Russel and I would MTB in the Don valley it was de rigeur to pack a tall can for mid ride sit around and drink beer for half an hour under the forest canopy. Shit was so nice, fuck I miss summer

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Sat, 02/25/2012 - 10:55
Russell
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(Reply to #241)

Smitty wrote:
Also speaking of drinks, when Russel and I would MTB in the Don valley it was de rigeur to pack a tall can for mid ride sit around and drink beer for half an hour under the forest canopy. Shit was so nice, fuck I miss summer

thats one of my main selling points when I try to get people into mtb's.

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 11:15
jamey
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Can't fucking wait for summer.

truckdoug "never turn down free beer, dont stick your dick where you wouldnt put your face, and always ride shimano"

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 11:39
asterisk
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(Reply to #243)

jamey wrote:
Can't fucking wait for summer.

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 11:46
Russell
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ahmen

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 11:50
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #245)

Russell wrote:
Smitty wrote:
Also speaking of drinks, when Russel and I would MTB in the Don valley it was de rigeur to pack a tall can for mid ride sit around and drink beer for half an hour under the forest canopy. Shit was so nice, fuck I miss summer

thats one of my main selling points when I try to get people into riding bikes.

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Sat, 02/25/2012 - 13:31
johnnyraja
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Went for a pretty long one today. About 40 miles. No beer, just lots of wind and low temperatures.

While riding I figured out what my next step will be in the purplification of this bike. Either build a home anodizing kit for myself or get lbsbro's buddy to do it, but I wanna pull the White Ind. cranks off my rigid 29er and purple ano them.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 17:21
DDYTDY
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Did a couple of hours of sweet crunchy single track with a few of the fast kids from Team Awesome.

Feeling pretty fit. COPD is still there but weeks of spinning tarck doubles on a low geared sw8t fixie have helped me make big improvements.

I was able to stay in the lead group and took point for a bit. Last time out I kept dropping way off the back.

I put on a 100mm Reba and slid the sliding drop outs all the way up on the Black 29er. The bike handles tight rocky single track beautifully. I feel firmly planted railing loamy loose and leafy turns despite the Racing Ralph front and Crow rear.

The quick handling had me a little sketched out long fast down hills but I'm starting to settle down.

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 19:10
anomaly

richbobby is quick, we put in an easy couple hours today in MD. Gambril was perfect on a HT until the last descent we did at which point I was really wishing for more travel.
http://app.strava.com/rides/4512875

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 19:55
JonnieGonePlaid
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richbobby had the advantage of having tights with a hole the size of a dinner plate just below his left (and damn near perfect) glute. No doubt this gave him the upper hand last Saturday.

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:34
VT regularbike
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Wish I could have made it but I had work.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:37

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