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liquify
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^^That marin is a fat bike, or just looks like one?
Really, you are still going to be reaching to find examples vs rest of the mtbs on the market.
But, more to the point, MFer asked us about two jawns with boingy forks, so we didn't advise him to spend more money on something that in the short term wouldn't be helpful.

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 18:18
Face
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(Reply to #10002)

drwelby wrote:

Would

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 18:37
drwelby
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OP asked for a rack...

Naturally, this bike is partially tarck's fault.

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 18:49
Todd
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Is that a dropper post?
lol.
That is cute.
Go backpacking, wilderness areas are way better then dusty fire roads camping next to a bunch of folks out boondoggling on OHVs.

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 19:08
oogens
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(Reply to #10005)

mdilthey wrote:
oogens wrote:

you basically post any time someone shows interest in a non-downhill bike with "but whattabout the rigid bikes"?

I haven’t posted in this thread in months. We had one other conversation about rigid bikes about 3-4 months ago. Nishiki has literally said “I don’t want suspension.”

Should we just pretend rigid bikes don’t exist? Is that the endgame?

I don't expect you to tell people to get the jawn with the boinger fork, since all of your experience is with a rigid fat surly. Most of my hissy fit is over the fact that I think you need to get on a bike that's fun with a bunch of fuckin springy shits and get to some lift-assisted hooliganism to launch yourself down a mountain. As much as I talk up all the endurobro shit, I'm a slow rider who likes to ride moderate tech poorly. But you should probs try out both ends of the spectrum.

This is also ignoring the fact that lots of people don't live near mountains or gnar. I moved from northern california to the denver area, so I've never been short on trails that way outclass my ability or nerves. If I was going to school in iowa city or omaha, I probably would have sold off my mountain bikes for some rigid thing.

but that's because I come from a place of telling you what you want. Anyone that wants their hand held through a bad decision like a karate monkey can go to reddit.

oh, and for suspension service, the frequent stuff isn't too hard to do on your own, but I guess easy to fuck up. That is a legitimate downside but totally worth the effort imo.

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 21:13
ckd
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You are all the worst.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 21:31
ckd
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(Reply to #10007)

Face wrote:
drwelby wrote:

Would

If anyone actually rode this bike they would immediately die.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 21:32
deadforkinglast
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Can confirm. I rode that bike and I am now dead.

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 21:36
ckd
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I only thought about riding that bike for a few seconds and my arms went numb from the elbows down! I ended up having to call in sick to work for a week!

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 21:37
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #10010)

ckd wrote:
I only thought about riding that bike for a few seconds and my arms went numb from the elbows down! I ended up having to call in sick to work for a week!

As a long term sufferer of numbness, I can confirm that this does in fact happen.

More wonderful than you can believe it

Wed, 11/29/2017 - 23:01
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #10011)

ckd wrote:
Face wrote:
drwelby wrote:

Would

If anyone actually rode this bike they would immediately die.

Didn't Trek immediately discontinue the rigid models once the price-point on 29+ suspension forks got reasonable enough?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 00:08
mdilthey
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(Reply to #10012)

oogens wrote:
mdilthey wrote:
oogens wrote:

you basically post any time someone shows interest in a non-downhill bike with "but whattabout the rigid bikes"?

I haven’t posted in this thread in months. We had one other conversation about rigid bikes about 3-4 months ago. Nishiki has literally said “I don’t want suspension.”

Should we just pretend rigid bikes don’t exist? Is that the endgame?

I don't expect you to tell people to get the jawn with the boinger fork, since all of your experience is with a rigid fat surly. Most of my hissy fit is over the fact that I think you need to get on a bike that's fun with a bunch of fuckin springy shits and get to some lift-assisted hooliganism to launch yourself down a mountain. As much as I talk up all the endurobro shit, I'm a slow rider who likes to ride moderate tech poorly. But you should probs try out both ends of the spectrum.

This is also ignoring the fact that lots of people don't live near mountains or gnar. I moved from northern california to the denver area, so I've never been short on trails that way outclass my ability or nerves. If I was going to school in iowa city or omaha, I probably would have sold off my mountain bikes for some rigid thing.

but that's because I come from a place of telling you what you want. Anyone that wants their hand held through a bad decision like a karate monkey can go to reddit.

oh, and for suspension service, the frequent stuff isn't too hard to do on your own, but I guess easy to fuck up. That is a legitimate downside but totally worth the effort imo.

yikes

I will literally never mention this again...

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 00:53
deadforkinglast
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It worked!

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 00:57
Face
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(Reply to #10014)

deadforkinglast wrote:
It worked!

I don't think it's a full victory till he buys some squish.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 01:02
mdilthey
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If I buy a suspension fork, how far up my ass do I have to stick the steering tube when someone mentions rigid?

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 01:04
Face
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You don't ride it like that...

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 01:06
oogens
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(Reply to #10017)

mdilthey wrote:
oogens wrote:
mdilthey wrote:
oogens wrote:

you basically post any time someone shows interest in a non-downhill bike with "but whattabout the rigid bikes"?

I haven’t posted in this thread in months. We had one other conversation about rigid bikes about 3-4 months ago. Nishiki has literally said “I don’t want suspension.”

Should we just pretend rigid bikes don’t exist? Is that the endgame?

I don't expect you to tell people to get the jawn with the boinger fork, since all of your experience is with a rigid fat surly. Most of my hissy fit is over the fact that I think you need to get on a bike that's fun with a bunch of fuckin springy shits and get to some lift-assisted hooliganism to launch yourself down a mountain. As much as I talk up all the endurobro shit, I'm a slow rider who likes to ride moderate tech poorly. But you should probs try out both ends of the spectrum.

This is also ignoring the fact that lots of people don't live near mountains or gnar. I moved from northern california to the denver area, so I've never been short on trails that way outclass my ability or nerves. If I was going to school in iowa city or omaha, I probably would have sold off my mountain bikes for some rigid thing.

but that's because I come from a place of telling you what you want. Anyone that wants their hand held through a bad decision like a karate monkey can go to reddit.

oh, and for suspension service, the frequent stuff isn't too hard to do on your own, but I guess easy to fuck up. That is a legitimate downside but totally worth the effort imo.

yikes

I will literally never mention this again...

so I say that I recognize that my advice comes from a place that might not be applicable to everyone, and similarly your experiences might be limited.

yeah I can see how that's unreasonable.

Whatever. Nishiki can stick to hiking, just don't hillwalk on the mtb trails because I'll be too busy shotgunning my monster and other bro-ass shit that's all mountain biking is

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 02:44
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #10018)

oogens wrote:
Anyone that wants their hand held through a bad decision like a karate monkey can go to reddit.

quoted for beauty

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 03:42
mdilthey
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(Reply to #10019)

oogens wrote:
so I say that I recognize that my advice comes from a place that might not be applicable to everyone, and similarly your experiences might be limited.

yeah I can see how that's unreasonable.

I started this conversation practically screaming "my advice comes from a place that might not be applicable to everyone nearly anyone."

I think it's funny how aggressively sure you are that I'm not having enough fun??

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 03:48
Petr5
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No one knows anything about the levels of fun you experience. I'm not sure why people pointing out how advice that "might not be applicable to nearly anyone" is flawed pains you (or whatever emotion you're expressing in your last post, I don't dare to presume). But considering your advice "might not be applicable to nearly anyone," it's not unfair to speculate that you're doing it wrong (as perceived by a plurality).

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your bike sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 04:42
Mr. Pubes
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(Reply to #10021)

ckd wrote:
You are all the worst.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 09:09
mdilthey
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Doing what wrong? Are you trying to tell me that my rigid fat singlespeed pugsley basketbike is threatening my chances of going pro?

26/M/41t N/W

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 11:37
liquify
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Hey guys, something shiny.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 11:48
yonderboy
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I'm kinda on the fence about Orange. Even Foes doesn't do the monocoque alloy frames anymore in their full squish.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 12:26
Viggen
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I can assure you that their monocoque frames are dope, have a friend rolling around on a pink Stage 6 here in Åre.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 13:12
that guy
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(Reply to #10026)

Nishiki wrote:
You know, on second thought, I think I'll just go hiking

aka #footpacking

Bikes suck. Don't ride one.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 14:10
aerobear
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(Reply to #10027)

boringerassholer wrote:
Hey guys, something shiny.

Damn, this bike kinda does it for me..

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 18:49
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #10028)

that guy wrote:
Nishiki wrote:
You know, on second thought, I think I'll just go hiking

aka #footpacking

If I'm going to go to the trouble to drive up to the mountains I'm sure as hell not going to deal with a stupid bike too.

Thu, 11/30/2017 - 19:06
stumphumper

What kind of frames should I be looking at for North-east singletrack (think fells, landlocked forest for you MA-folk)? I had a hardtail XC 29er for a summer and it didn't feel agile enough at all...am thinking of a HT 27.5 bike but I don't know crap about mountain bikes and I'm wondering if you guys knew more

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 00:46
mdilthey
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All the locals around here ride full suspension. Even the old guys and budget guys are on clapped out fullys. I don't see hardly any hardtails. Out of my local shop mechanics, four ride rigid and one rides FS, but they're all ex-BMX folks and die-hards like me. The FS guy raced pro CX for a while and knows better.

My buddy Jonathan wins all the local MTB races on a carbon hardtail, 27.5+. Nobody else has really dipped into 27.5+ in my area excepting the cream of the crop and the racers, but in my experience with 29+, the wider tire really helps with leaves in the shoulder seasons and wet roots year-round. I can see a good argument for them and there's not a lot of straight, packed dirt anywhere so there's not really a good case for faster, thinner tires. Go as wide as you want.

Other than that, I will say that all the trails I've ridden have insane switchbacks and climbing sections, and tons of roots and trees and obstacles that make climbing a pain and descending a bit slower. Do yourself a favor and get a huge climbing gear range. If you go 1x, get a small chainring.

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 02:06
oogens
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max probs has a better idea of what the trail systems look like out there, but what 29er were you on? There's definitely some differences going on there as far as agility is concerned. New 27.5 partyhardtails are longer than a lot of older 29ers (not necessarily less agile, but not as good at low speed switchbacks, for sure). I had my hardtail designed around 27.5, and honestly if I wasn't cramming it into an s&s case I would prefer it as a 29er (I like my kona unit more)

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 02:21
shane.rrr
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I ride northeastish/Appalachian trails and I second everything max said. 1x is totally doable but you are going to want big climbing gears. We may not have the massive climbs like the west, you will still climb a shit ton and most of it will be steep. Basically no long fireroad climbs.

Its really hard to suggest a tire size or bike. A majority of people local to me have full suspension bike or 29" hardtail. I rode a rigid 27.5 bike for awhile and it felt really fluid and fun. I was able to throw it around in a way I can't with my 29 hardtail but I am able to roll over stuff and my strava times are a lot better with my hardtail. I am sure with a nice FS I would be able to ride even faster and smoother. Go for wide tires. Thats my biggest regret about my hardtail is max tire width.

A 27.5 plus FS or Hardtail with a dropper that is short and agile would probably be my ideal MTB for my area.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 09:18
Face
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With wide tires, get wide rims.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 10:31
euclid
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Most of the people I ride with in MA ride 29ers, some are on 26 or 27.5. Some hardtail, some FS, all 120-140ish travel. Retail prices range from probably $700-5000 and correlate poorly with the rider's speed and ability.

Pretty much no one ever uses their large chainring on 2x or 3x setups on our local trails, so there's that.

Everyone with a hardtail is dithering over buying a FS though.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 11:09
fixed
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(Reply to #10035)

stumphumper wrote:
What kind of frames should I be looking at for North-east singletrack (think fells, landlocked forest for you MA-folk)? I had a hardtail XC 29er for a summer and it didn't feel agile enough at all...am thinking of a HT 27.5 bike but I don't know crap about mountain bikes and I'm wondering if you guys knew more

i lived and mountain biked in this area for a lot of years and i can recommend you some things.
first, regardless of bike. in addition to the fells and landlocked, go to adams farm, hale, needham town forest, or out to stow! or russell mill. so much nicer, quieter, more natural trails.
if you want to get super gnarly you can go to harold parker in andover, i have plenty of scars from that place.

i disagree with the advice on big climbing gears. my bike has an early SRAM XX1 setup and the granny is fine for everything in the area.

i actually did ride a hardtail xc 29er and really enjoyed it. short chainstays are a must.
while i do not think an FS is necessary for an experienced rider, i do agree that it would be more fun. my personal definition of fun elevates "challenging" above "fun"
i demoed a bunch of 29er FS bikes that were 140mm travel or less. i think 120mm is probably the sweet spot. i rode an ibis ripley back in roughly 2014 at landlocked and it was one of the most fun experiences.
i also rode a lot of 27.5 bikes and i preferred the 29 simply for the fact that it gets hung up a lot less.

i am not up on the latest tech but i would absolutely buy a used FS 29er if i still lived there

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 11:34
jdsmooth
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I'd go to JRA in Medford and try out some bikes. They know local stuff and have sick bikes.
I ride a HT XC 29er that came with a 100mm fork, soon going to 120. I like it simple, so HT for me.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 11:51
joy of vaping
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hey mtb bros

since i cracked my frame, what should i do with the parts?

SS 29" wheelset
brakes
100 fork (iirc i'll have to check)

or should I buy a whole new party wagon after the move to CA? (I won't have any money for that though)

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 12:07
liquify
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100mm is correct. He is currently limited to no thru axle if he keeps wheels, coz fun bolts and stuff.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 12:09
mdilthey
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(Reply to #10039)

joy of vaping wrote:
hey mtb bros

since i cracked my frame, what should i do with the parts?

SS 29" wheelset
brakes
100 fork (iirc i'll have to check)

or should I buy a whole new party wagon after the move to CA? (I won't have any money for that though)

What wheels? Sell them to me so I have an excuse to build up another bike.

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 13:04
joy of vaping
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Only if you also use the squishy fork

WTB i19 to bolt-on surly hubs (again iirc i gotta check)

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 13:21
mdilthey
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(Reply to #10041)

Oh yeah, super interested I think

Probs no fork

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 13:22
Todd
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Sell Parts,
Make SS Honzo.

You may have a hard time finding a frame for those parts.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 14:03
Rentable Faxmachine
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Finally snagged that cassette-bigger-than-rotor KOM.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 14:14
Gary Fissure

In CT. My buddies all have 27.5 FS. I have 29 FS, but I'm XL, and bought it 4 years ago, before 27.5 was a thing. Wouldn't mind 27.5. All 130-150.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 14:17
Viggen
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(Reply to #10045)

joy of vaping wrote:
hey mtb bros

since i cracked my frame, what should i do with the parts?

SS 29" wheelset
brakes
100 fork (iirc i'll have to check)

or should I buy a whole new party wagon after the move to CA? (I won't have any money for that though)

Voting for new fs trail party wagon. Or maybe a Kona Honzo frame in the mean-time, though at 100 up front it could possibly feel a bit "under forked".

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 15:28
deadforkinglast
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What helmets do we like now? Looking for a decent half shell that breathes better than my current low-end Giro, which is a little heavy, a few years old, not MIPS, etc.

Mine also has a propensity to dump all of the accumulated sweat in the front pad into my eyes/glasses every time I raise my eyebrows or adjust the helmet. I really have no idea how to test a new helmet for that, but it's the main reason I'm over this one.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 16:11
mdilthey
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Get one of these:

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 16:43
puelnewdle
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I have the same problem and the Halo bands are pretty good for that. I sweat so much from my head that I sometimes have to stop and wring it out mid-ride. The WaldWalz technical caps work pretty well too.

Tue, 12/05/2017 - 14:09
deadforkinglast
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I'll probably have to look into that, though I was hoping to avoid putting more stuff on my head.

Still looking for a better-ventilated helmet than my 4 year-old Giro Feature, plus MIPS would be nice. Does anyone use the Bell Super 3 or the POC Tectal? I can get Bell/Giro, POC and maybe some Kali, maybe some Fox at a discount, so it's gotta be one of those.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 19:51
liquify
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bell super isn't too bad, nor is giro montaro (I think that is it/2 years old). Ridden these both in hot and humid conditions and didn't miss other helmets I used to ride in.
If Tectal is like the road helmet (I know it's not that vent crazy), it could be good. After wearing bell/giro mtb helmets, throwing that poc road helmet on was like a crazy blow dryer in my helmet.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 20:52

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