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jdsmooth
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(Reply to #9851)

yow that's nice

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 12:39
Todd
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(Reply to #9852)

crabbi wrote:
looking to sell my tt bike and get either a giant 27.5 anthem, trance, scott genius 29, or even a specialized (if i can find a good deal).

You got power, out of those bikes the Anthem for sure has the best pedaling platform and will feel rewarding. I have never felt that it was not enough travel to get down, and it is very lively descending. I really recommend it.

Edit: I rode the scott spark 27.5 and it was mushy as hell. It had a remote lock out to deal with it, but really,fuck that.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 13:07
oogens
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hookups just on giant and scott? Haven't ridden a giant in a long while, but it was a nice bike, pedaled well (though i am not not a good judge of that at all). Things I didn't like about my reign were size (ran short), and lack of sensitivity. I know they've cured the first problem since enduro sizing became the norm across the board, and new suspension tech might have fixed the second issue.

for what it's worth, I still love my process 134. Only other bike I liked just as much was the rocky mountain thunderbolt (tho kinda short on reach). Dunno if you have a preference for 27.5 or 29, but maybe small wheels would work well what with the bmx background (tho 29ers are plenty playful these days it seems).

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 14:12
Viggen
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(Reply to #9854)

liquify wrote:
Need to think about accessorizing colors. Maybe some anno purple.

Hope Purple ano all the things! #anobros

Scott: That's a sweet biek!

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 17:10
tehschkott
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Thanks

Reposting here cuz end of last page.

Is gonna look reeeeal good with some red hubs/bags/etc. I am excited.

I am also intimidated. It's a shitload of biek.


2018 Trek Stache 5 - 19.5 initial pics by Scott Gamble, on Flickr

3in tires
Dropper post
Susp fork
Out the door in PDX, no tax, no shipping, as pictured, $1499
19.5inch sizeway
Now it lives with me
Click link for ever so short good-pics albumsauce

As you were.

DO NOT CONSTRUE MY COMMENTS AS AN ENDORSEMENT OF BICYCLING. BIKES ARE DANGEROUS, EXPENSIVE, AND EXHAUSTING. DO NOT RIDE THEM.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 18:33
crabbi
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(Reply to #9856)

oogens wrote:
hookups just on giant and scott?

i guess i forgot about felt. shop sponsor is bringing them in. could also maybe specialized.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 18:35
Sneaky Viking
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I like your new bike.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 18:40
liquify
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(Reply to #9858)

Viggen wrote:
liquify wrote:
Need to think about accessorizing colors. Maybe some anno purple.

Hope Purple ano all the things! #anobros

Eventually will get some purple hubs. Sadly we don't get all the good Hope shit stateside. Only one distro has a 50mm stem in purple (and this needs a 35mm long stem to match stock. Biggest one doesn't have purple hubs (or, only in fatbike sizes).

Speaking of fatbike, I do currently have these bars and seatpost clamp on the fat caad. At very least will move clamp over. Bars too much or too light purple?

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 18:48
liquify
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(Reply to #9859)

Damn doubles when page doesn't change.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 18:49
jeffro
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(Reply to #9860)

liquify wrote:
Viggen wrote:
liquify wrote:
Need to think about accessorizing colors. Maybe some anno purple.

Hope Purple ano all the things! #anobros

Eventually will get some purple hubs. Sadly we don't get all the good Hope shit stateside. Only one distro has a 50mm stem in purple (and this needs a 35mm long stem to match stock. Biggest one doesn't have purple hubs (or, only in fatbike sizes).

Speaking of fatbike, I do currently have these bars and seatpost clamp on the fat caad. At very least will move clamp over. Bars too much or too light purple?

How many bikes now, Frank? You cutting any loose?

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 21:26
liquify
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Trailfox will be gone eventually. Anyone want a 150 29er?

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 21:33
aerobear
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(Reply to #9862)

Todd wrote:
crabbi wrote:
looking to sell my tt bike and get either a giant 27.5 anthem, trance, scott genius 29, or even a specialized (if i can find a good deal).

You got power, out of those bikes the Anthem for sure has the best pedaling platform and will feel rewarding. I have never felt that it was not enough travel to get down, and it is very lively descending. I really recommend it.

Edit: I rode the scott spark 27.5 and it was mushy as hell. It had a remote lock out to deal with it, but really,fuck that.

they completely changed the suspension design on the scott's this year. plus the spark is an xc bike.. while the genius is a 150mm travel trail bike. not very comparable and also not the same at all this year.
the genius looks rad, but i dont know anyone who has ridden one.

nathan - what kind of riding are you plannign on doing? should make a difference on which bikes you look at. dunno what trails are like out there.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 22:34
yonderboy
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Picked up a used Reverb Stealth and put one of those Wolf Tooth Remote Sustain jawns on it. The install was pretty simple and the actuation is smooth.

Time will tell if the Reverb will develop sag, but I suspect most of the reason people hate them is because of the secondary hydraulic remote. Mostly, I'm just stoked on having a stealth dropper that won't get gummed up in the crud.

Tue, 10/03/2017 - 23:04
Viggen
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(Reply to #9864)

liquify wrote:
Viggen wrote:
liquify wrote:
Need to think about accessorizing colors. Maybe some anno purple.

Hope Purple ano all the things! #anobros

Eventually will get some purple hubs. Sadly we don't get all the good Hope shit stateside. Only one distro has a 50mm stem in purple (and this needs a 35mm long stem to match stock. Biggest one doesn't have purple hubs (or, only in fatbike sizes).

What about Kraütland orders? Or even from a place like ubyk.co.uk?
I'd move both the clamp and bars for the hell of it and feel it out!

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 13:44
liquify
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Will feel it out. Do have an extra 35mm bars I could put on with the purple hope stem they have (never visited that UK site before). Maybe some H2 enduro pedals in purple. These are certainly down the line things.
I am excited to see these TRP brakes. They should be here today. Sadly I don't see the bike arriving before the weekend and our trip to a bike park.

Wed, 10/04/2017 - 14:45
Viggen
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Ordered most of my Hope-swag from ubyk, legit place!

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 16:36
liquify
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Dope. After this experience routing the hose and all the other internal hell, I will wait until the TRPs explode, I think.
Still need to setup the dropper, trim the front brake, and bleed the rear. Getting close, but these internal routing things are getting to be a bit annoying. At least it will get to the bike park Saturday!!

Thu, 10/05/2017 - 19:47
motorbacon
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Sad times at the shop.

Pulled a boost Pike off a Bronson and converted a non boost Fox 32 (150mm) to remote lockout because the customer is 'tired of reaching down to lock the fork'.

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 03:12
deadforkinglast
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Gorss

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 03:39
JUGE FREDD
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a 150mm 650b fork with 32mm stanchions exists?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 06:37
Viggen
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Nice Frank! Kinda guessing TRP is good value in the states since Gwinbro and everything. Internal routing on my Reign is pretty straight forward but sure it's a slight PITA but only when setting up. When thats done it's more of a set and forget thing.

Fred:
Rockshoxs Revelation is what you are looking for, but prolly hella $$$..

You also have the X-fusion Streat that almost fits the bill at 32mm stanchions and 140mm travel and Manitous Machete 27.5+ is also 140mm 32mm stanchions, bot only boost hub compatible.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 09:11
deadforkinglast
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Before the 34, all Fox forks under 160mm were 32s. I think they made them in 650b for a few years.

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 10:54
yonderboy
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(Reply to #9873)

And the rear shock gets ridden full open, right?

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 12:07
Viggen
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Yonder:
Yes of course, why would you want your FS to be a hard tail?

Exceptions:
- Sprinting on asphalt (stupid).
- Owning a horrible bike (old ass fs-bike) with lousy linkage/pedal platform (also stupid).
- Sustained climbing on fire roads (legit).

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 13:35
yonderboy
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Unless Bronson bro has a rear lockout switch in addition to the front, there is going to be reaching. In my experience, that type of rider just leaves the lockout on all the time or leaves them full open, boinging up climbs.

I guess you could rig a gyro cable to lock out both shocks with one lever. That's probably less of a bodge than swapping out the fork.

Fri, 10/06/2017 - 13:50
deadforkinglast
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Seriously considering swapping out the Saint platforms on the Ibis for some blue Raceface Chesters.

Against:
- The Saint pedal is appreciably higher-quality, with Shimano build quality and cool cosmetic details.
- Saints are rebuildable
- more comfortable shape for lots of pedaling than the Chesters

For:
- Chesters would let me get matchy-matchy with my grips + the blue details in the Mojo's red colorway
- Chesters would save almost 200 grams right at the end of the crankarms
- Chesters have better grip than the Saints IMO
- I will probably get bored with the Saints before it's time to rebuild them anyway. Like now.

Is this dumb? Is it dumb enough to not try it?

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 18:12
liquify
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Chesters all the way in this case.
They are cheap enough to bash the shit out of and then replace with another color.

Sun, 10/15/2017 - 21:24
Viggen
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Tinkering and matchymatch-game on mtb's are always "a go" from me.
I say do it!

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Mon, 10/16/2017 - 05:58
liquify
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Gonna be building sup an s-works stumpy frame. 160 fork, offset bushings to slack it to about 66*.
Fork question. Lightly used lyrik or new pike 160 with charger 2 and debonair?
Her hail has a 160 lyrik that she likes (more than fox 34 on camber), but figure pike a bit lighter and solid for her (not really hucking to flat much).

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 10:32
Todd
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woah, offset bushings huh?
Whats that do besides slack out the front?

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 11:07
liquify
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https://www.offsetbushings.com/pages/how-they-work
lower bb, too. In this case, we can only use one bushing coz specialized yoke has proprietary shock mount. But should balance the slight raise that 10mm fork would add.
I figured they are cheaper and less finicky than angleset headsets. Stumpy still at 67 though it is capable of quite a bit. She seemed comfy with the 66 on the hail for the steep shit vs the 68 of her camber, though she started getting real good at that before the big biek came along.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 11:11
euclid
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They say no change in rear travel--this will be true only if the rear suspension linkage travel is completely linear with the shock compression, right? There probably will be modest changes in travel/progressiveness/etc on most bikes.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 11:28
Todd
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how would putting two bushings and a 130 fork on my anthem fuck with it?

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 11:30
yonderboy
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The Lyrik has the DebonAir spring, too. Technically, the only difference between the two is the Lyrik can have a longer stroke where the Pike tops out at 160.

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 16:02
liquify
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Yeah, saw they updated both of them now.
Lyrik maybe has a beefier crown, but, again, under a buck twenty, I am not sure she needs it. (she confirmed, saying she liked to pretend she was a bike nerd because she liked the lyrik she has. But likes weight savings if they are basically the same fork, but just shorter travel).

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 19:06
JUGE FREDD
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It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 10/17/2017 - 21:27
oogens
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(Reply to #9887)

euclid wrote:
They say no change in rear travel--this will be true only if the rear suspension linkage travel is completely linear with the shock compression, right? There probably will be modest changes in travel/progressiveness/etc on most bikes.

kinematics might change a bit, but travel should stay the same since you're just changing the eye-to-eye length (unless you start bottoming out links or the tire against the seat tube)

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 02:27
Viggen
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(Reply to #9888)

Todd wrote:
how would putting two bushings and a 130 fork on my anthem fuck with it?

Well depending on which bushings you'll get (this is if you put two bushing in the rear shock):
2x6mm - 1.5° HA | -15mm BB
2x8mm - 1.0° HA | -10mm BB
2x10mm - 0.5° HA | -5mm BB
And by lengthening the fork from 100 to 130mm you would slack out the stock geo from 69,5 to 68.
So you could slacken it out all the way to 66,5 and drop the bb by 15mm if my maths any good. Could mean a bit more pedal strikes through the rocks and maybe a pair of shorter cranks would be a good thing.
It could be a rowdy as fuck trail biek set up like that! Get a proper set of wide bars and a 35mm stem and shred.

euclid wrote:
They say no change in rear travel--this will be true only if the rear suspension linkage travel is completely linear with the shock compression, right? There probably will be modest changes in travel/progressiveness/etc on most bikes.

Bushings don't change the internals of your shock..

liquify wrote:
Gonna be building sup an s-works stumpy frame. 160 fork, offset bushings to slack it to about 66*.
Fork question. Lightly used lyrik or new pike 160 with charger 2 and debonair?
Her hail has a 160 lyrik that she likes (more than fox 34 on camber), but figure pike a bit lighter and solid for her (not really hucking to flat much).

RS only option? I'd really look into the Mattoc 2 Pro/Comp, is she can do with 34mm stanchions. Really solid and not flex at all, even when tested by dude-bros on pinkbike. 140-170 internally adjustable travel and a lot bit lighter than both the Pike or Lyrik at 1892 grams, comes in booth boost and non-boost.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 07:08
euclid
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(Reply to #9889)

Viggen wrote:
Bushings don't change the internals of your shock..

No shit.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 09:03
euclid
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(Reply to #9890)

oogens wrote:
euclid wrote:
They say no change in rear travel--this will be true only if the rear suspension linkage travel is completely linear with the shock compression, right? There probably will be modest changes in travel/progressiveness/etc on most bikes.

kinematics might change a bit, but travel should stay the same since you're just changing the eye-to-eye length (unless you start bottoming out links or the tire against the seat tube)

All those charts showing a leverage ratio curve? It's my understanding they are showing the shock compression as a function of wheel travel (or the other way around?). Either way, for most bikes this ratio changes as you move through the travel of the suspension linkage. The bushings mean that you start a little further into this curve than normal, and finish a little further in than normal too.

It probably is a negligible difference in a lot of cases.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 09:10
Todd
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Thanks Vig
Mine is the anthem SX so its at 68 already cuz 120 fork.. but 66.5 with two big bushings is real close to 66.6.
That's gotta be worth the 50 bucks to try it.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 10:24
Viggen
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Dang ol yup Todd!

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 13:41
yummygooey

How big of a deal is +10-15mm in BB height? My Ritchey already has a high-ish BB at 50mm BB drop, but I would like to rebuild the fork longer next time (from 100mm to 120... 130... 140?????) to slack out the front a bit and get some more travel for the local trails.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 13:59
Viggen
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You have the P650B right? I'd guess that rising the BB on that will not affect the handling so drastically, my 45650B has a bb-drop at around 25mm with a 160 fork. Given my frame is built for a 130-150mm fork though..

Since it's built around a 100 fork I wouldn't go much for much longer travel than 120-130, that will slacken it out 1-1,5 degrees but I'm not enough of a math whiz to calculate how much the new bb-drop would end up at.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 14:36
yummygooey

Yep, P650b. The original plan was 100 -> 120 next time I replace the airspring. I think the extra travel and slacker HTA (+20mm, -1deg) will really help on the steep stuff. I wish I could get it even slacker but I'm worried things will start getting weird with the rest of the bike.

I used http://bikegeo.muha.cc/ and got +11mm BB height for 130, +15mm for 140.

I'm not particularly good at MTB (yet??) but it's really fun and I think I'm fully into the underbiking territory with the 100mm travel classic XC hardtail. The more reasonable plan is probably get a new full squish trail bike and singlespeed the Ritchey for XC spins.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 14:55
fixed
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no hating on 100mm hardtails from me. i have one and it is a blast.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 15:47
yummygooey

It's a super fun bike for sure. So good on any XC singletrack you can find around here, and pretty perfect for a lot of the classic gems we have like Highway 410 (Ranger Creek, Palisades, Suntop), Devils Gulch, etc. I think a modern moderate travel full squish will open up a lot more rowdier riding here in the PNW.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 15:56
jdsmooth
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This came up on a recent Ask Pinkbike

Quote:
It's less about how much travel the fork has and more about what it's going to do to your bike's handling. As you correctly pointed out, the fork swap would slacken your Anthem but only by a bit less than 1-degree, a change that a lot of riders would call a very good thing. It'll come down to what you want from your bike, however, and I'd recommend the change if your Anthem feels too twitchy at speed, if the trails you're riding are rough and more travel will allow you to go quicker, or if you just want a change. That said, I'd tell you not to put on a longer travel fork if your trails are extremely smooth, or if you race cross-country often and have to face technical climbs while gassed.

More travel isn't always better, but it sure can be. Ask yourself this question: will I have more fun, or go faster, with more travel?

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 16:08
Todd
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I know in theory how all of it works, but I am worried that there is a point you cross where you start getting handling side effects and making the bike feel shitty because it is doing something it was not designed for. I keep thinking of those horrible looking 12inch travel forks and how awful those bikes must have handled.

Though, Adding length to the fork should counteract the BB drop from the bushings if I went real big on them.

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 16:32
oogens
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Raising the bb on an already high bike is a bummer, as is shortening the reach on what I presume is already a short bike (not built around a 50mm-ish stem.

If your pokes is a longer one that was already shimmed down to 100, I'd say try 120 if it's as easy as pulling off a clip/moving a pin on the air spring next time you change bath oil. If it requires buying a new spring/air shaft, I'm less into it.

And I'm always pro fs party bike, if it's an option. There's a lot of good options out there now

Wed, 10/18/2017 - 21:16

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