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emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:34
JUGE FREDD
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^ I've got one:

It's much stronger than any other trailer on the market, which all tend to have dumb shit like frames made from 80/20 that flex till the bolts start backing out, 16" wheels that amplify bumps, single-sided axles that get bent out of true and leave the wheels vulnerable to bollards, and plastic skyway mag wheels that fold under cornering forces.

The hitch is ingenious too — it attaches to your chain and seatstays using specially-sized clamps for different tube sizes, and holds a shouldered spherical ball joint in an oversized brass bushing. No jackass turn sandwichery like seatpost mounts, special quick releases, hose clamps, caster wheels, pneumatic quick-disconnects, or for fucks sake lashed inner tubes.

I've pulled 400 pounds of cargo in it on dirt roads too rough for cars, and it was unfazed. When the weakest links in your design are the 36 spokes and the pressure limit of the tire sidewalls, you're doin' it right.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:34
aek
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Fucking fuck. I want one.

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 15:31
bobbythehawk
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any close-ups of the hitch area?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:02
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depends how big the mdf is. I mean, if you're moving a 4x8x1/2" you'll probably be fine, but if you get like 2" stock, forgetaboutit.

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:03
Larry Winget
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Why the fuck would anyone make a desk out of MDF?

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 16:41
NOVELTYNAME
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coz flat and wont ever move
hello, welcome to 2011 all tables are built with panelgoods/mdf build ups

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:43
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #108)

miguel wrote:
coz flat and wont ever move
hello, welcome to 2011 all tables are built with panelgoods/mdf build ups

So why would you go to the trouble of building?
Unless you veneer it or apply some kind hard finish it dents pretty easily.
MDF dust is also fucking nasty shit.

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 17:55
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #109)

tarckeemoon wrote:
miguel wrote:
coz flat and wont ever move
hello, welcome to 2011 all tables are built with panelgoods/mdf build ups

So why would you go to the trouble of building?
Unless you veneer it or apply some kind hard finish it dents pretty easily.
MDF dust is also fucking nasty shit.

this is not the correct thread
1. ??? why build anything.
2. a couple coats of catalyzed lacquer will work wonders. ask me about conversion varnish. also, he said "desk" not "work bench"
3. there are a few non-formaldehyde and U.S. sourced MDF options, but you need to ask and search for them. dust is a silent killer, we have a new hire (in finishing!) and i keep reminding her to wear dust masks. I'm like, "look at (current finisher) smiley"

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:19
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #110)

richbobby wrote:
any close-ups of the hitch area?

Found these, xlarge version might show you what you want.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/btmspox/4633544419/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29100280@N05/5045191531/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29100280@N05/5748851717/

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:38
Larry Winget
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miguel wrote:
tarckeemoon wrote:
miguel wrote:
coz flat and wont ever move
hello, welcome to 2011 all tables are built with panelgoods/mdf build ups

So why would you go to the trouble of building?
Unless you veneer it or apply some kind hard finish it dents pretty easily.
MDF dust is also fucking nasty shit.

this is not the correct thread
1. ??? why build anything.
2. a couple coats of catalyzed lacquer will work wonders. ask me about conversion varnish. also, he said "desk" not "work bench"
3. there are a few non-formaldehyde and U.S. sourced MDF options, but you need to ask and search for them. dust is a silent killer, we have a new hire (in finishing!) and i keep reminding her to wear dust masks. I'm like, "look at (current finisher) smiley"

Good points I guess. I hate finishing, and for me I'd gladly pay more for materials if I knew I'd get good results with low hassle at the finish stage.

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:45
jamey
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Yeah, MDF finishes up real nice.

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 18:55
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #113)

Buffalo Bill wrote:
^ I've got one:

It's much stronger than any other trailer on the market, which all tend to have dumb shit like frames made from 80/20 that flex till the bolts start backing out, 16" wheels that amplify bumps, single-sided axles that get bent out of true and leave the wheels vulnerable to bollards, and plastic skyway mag wheels that fold under cornering forces.

The hitch is ingenious too — it attaches to your chain and seatstays using specially-sized clamps for different tube sizes, and holds a shouldered spherical ball joint in an oversized brass bushing. No jackass turn sandwichery like seatpost mounts, special quick releases, hose clamps, caster wheels, pneumatic quick-disconnects, or for fucks sake lashed inner tubes.

I've pulled 400 pounds of cargo in it on dirt roads too rough for cars, and it was unfazed. When the weakest links in your design are the 36 spokes and the pressure limit of the tire sidewalls, you're doin' it right.

+1 to this so bad. Saved in my 'awesome shit to know sometime in the future but I don't know when' folder.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:04
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Mr. Bill, that is a very nice trailer, and a very nice bike.

I've been happy so far with my far more modest cargo trailer built from the Wike DIY kit. It has 20" spoked wheels (I think 36h?) but the axles are single sided. I built it with a 1/4 sheet of 1/2" plywood and it's been fine so far. Mostly need it for light/bulky stuff, like hauling beach stuff to the beach, or kids' bikes, etc. Hitch is a plate that bolts to the axle, works fine so long as you don't have funky hooded dropouts or something.

Quote:
the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 23:01
VT regularbike
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Does the trailer alone weigh like 100lbs?

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 00:02
VT regularbike
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Now that my troll is done I really want to build a custom trailer utilizing the integrated trailer mounting holes.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 00:03
JUGE FREDD
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surfcat wrote:
I've been happy so far with my far more modest cargo trailer built from the Wike DIY kit.

How does the elastomer tongue work out?

Seems like it uses it for the lateral travel that lets you lean the bike, sketches me out.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 00:06
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #118)

VT tallbike wrote:
Does the trailer alone weigh like 100lbs?

The production Colin trailer is 40-45 pounds empty and balanced well (with a few pounds of hitch pressure). Pulling it empty you don't really feel the weight, the effect of articulation over bumps is much more noticeable.

VT tallbike wrote:
Now that my troll is done I really want to build a custom trailer utilizing the integrated trailer mounting holes.

I've never seen those bosses in use.

Even all though all the promotional shit for the trailers from Surly were with the Troll, every single setup I've seen uses the QR mount. I figured they'd just never gotten around to making the mounting nuts, but it looks like they exist (at least now): http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=44798&category=880

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 00:24
aek
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(Reply to #119)

tarckeemoon wrote:
miguel wrote:
tarckeemoon wrote:
miguel wrote:
coz flat and wont ever move
hello, welcome to 2011 all tables are built with panelgoods/mdf build ups

So why would you go to the trouble of building?
Unless you veneer it or apply some kind hard finish it dents pretty easily.
MDF dust is also fucking nasty shit.

this is not the correct thread
1. ??? why build anything.
2. a couple coats of catalyzed lacquer will work wonders. ask me about conversion varnish. also, he said "desk" not "work bench"
3. there are a few non-formaldehyde and U.S. sourced MDF options, but you need to ask and search for them. dust is a silent killer, we have a new hire (in finishing!) and i keep reminding her to wear dust masks. I'm like, "look at (current finisher) smiley"

Good points I guess. I hate finishing, and for me I'd gladly pay more for materials if I knew I'd get good results with low hassle at the finish stage.

Jesus, didn't mean to start desk chat.

We have a kind of room/hallway thing between our kitchen and living/bedroom that we have made our home office. Since both of us will be working at the same desk I'm just going to put a surface wall to wall over some drawer units from IKEA. The MDF I can buy here is like 2" thick and has a kind of hard, smooth outer layer? so all it would need is some prime and paint and bam, perfectly flat, hard big as possible desktop.

I'm not going to buy a bike trailer to get it home, I'm just gonna borrow a car with a trailer from the in-laws. It was just a hypothetical biggest-thing that got me the answer I wanted.

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 03:33
VT regularbike
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(Reply to #120)

Buffalo Bill wrote:
VT tallbike wrote:
Does the trailer alone weigh like 100lbs?

The production Colin trailer is 40-45 pounds empty and balanced well (with a few pounds of hitch pressure). Pulling it empty you don't really feel the weight, the effect of articulation over bumps is much more noticeable.

The Bob Nutz fit in there as well so if I don't do custom I might just get a bob and have the PRO mount.

VT tallbike wrote:
Now that my troll is done I really want to build a custom trailer utilizing the integrated trailer mounting holes.

I've never seen those bosses in use.

Even all though all the promotional shit for the trailers from Surly were with the Troll, every single setup I've seen uses the QR mount. I figured they'd just never gotten around to making the mounting nuts, but it looks like they exist (at least now): http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=44798&category=880

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 09:51
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #121)

aek wrote:
tarckeemoon wrote:
miguel wrote:
tarckeemoon wrote:
miguel wrote:
blah blah blah wrong thread

Good points I guess.

Jesus, didn't mean to start desk chat.
The MDF I can buy here is like 2" thick and has a kind of hard, smooth outer layer? so all it would need is some prime and paint and bam, perfectly flat, hard big as possible desktop.

quickly:
2" stock is fucking heavy. I am not going to kid you

-im posting the story i wrote here in the shop lulz thread coz its more relevant there?-

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:25
Rusty Piton
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Back on topic, here's Curtis Inglis of Retrotec/Inglis Cycles' personal longtail:


emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 17:02
NOVELTYNAME
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im just gonna put this here

"Folks want options!"

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 17:18
NOVELTYNAME
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"Folks want options!"

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 17:20
Tarckington Bear
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(Reply to #125)

miguel wrote:
im just gonna put this here

witafs, bro.

witafs.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 17:57
JUGE FREDD
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^ Aaron is an even more spectacular asshole than his old fixie would suggest

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:01
JUGE FREDD
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It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:00
halbritt
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(Reply to #128)

miguel wrote:
this is not the correct thread
1. ??? why build anything.
2. a couple coats of catalyzed lacquer will work wonders. ask me about conversion varnish. also, he said "desk" not "work bench"
3. there are a few non-formaldehyde and U.S. sourced MDF options, but you need to ask and search for them. dust is a silent killer, we have a new hire (in finishing!) and i keep reminding her to wear dust masks. I'm like, "look at (current finisher) smiley"

I have a work bench with an MDF top that sucks. How to finish? I'm guessing, cheap laminate from home dept.

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:17
Tarckington Bear
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Glue on some plastic laminate, or get some white melamine cut to size and screw it down.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:26
jimmythefly
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Sometime in the year 2000 I went to some sort of outdoorsy films showing at Iowa State University. There was a film about XtraCycle, this new "revolutionary" contraption and the new kind of lifestyle one could lead while owning it.

TC: I was like: "WTF? yeah right, good luck crazy low-budget film maker guys and weirdo hippy bike contraption maker. This will never work and I'm amazed you have any money left at all from whatever you started with."

Shine on you crazy diamonds.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:33
Larry Winget
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Yeah. I think I saw one for the first time in like 2004 or 2005 and was like "WTF is this bullshit?"

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:37
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #132)

oldabe wrote:
Glue on some plastic laminate, or get some white melamine cut to size and screw it down.

this
mdf sucks for actual surfaces you might use for anything you wouldnt do to the hood of your car.

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:39
NOVELTYNAME
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(Reply to #133)

Buffalo Bill wrote:
^ Aaron is an even more spectacular asshole than his old fixie would suggest

oh shit
i post a JAFIXTRACYCLE and somebody on this dork board knows the owner.
how does it work

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 18:41
jamey
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That Colnago build baffles me.

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 19:47
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #135)

jamey wrote:
That Colnago build baffles me.

If you met the guy you would understand.

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 19:57
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #136)

tarckeemoon wrote:
Yeah. I think I saw one for the first time in like 2004 or 2005 and was like "WTF is this bullshit?"

Whereas I saw it around the same time and said, "I must have that!".

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 20:05
Sneaky Viking
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MDF is fine for bookshelves or whatever if you oil prime 2 coats and use a good quality enamel paint on top of that.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 20:06
Petr5
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(Reply to #138)

Buffalo Bill wrote:

I have no idea if this is right
transcript:
"And suddenly he was next to us."
"Look, look, there he is."
"Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes."
"That's the beautiful thing about archive [material]. See him looking. And there he goes. They are doing away with post offices in the Netherlands, but let them never get rid of mail carriers. This proves it. Look, he doesn't even have to switch gears. Here."
[lots of laughter, incoherent]
"He's just checking out your gears. That's just lovely, a man like that, isn't it?"
"It was beautiful. We had a lot of fun about it. We were yelling, 'Give that man a contract!' I can remember this. This was in 2001, by the way."
"Alright."

Sneaky Viking wrote:
"Your bike sucks and we have a team of biased experts to pseudo-scientifically test that hypothesis, all in blue shirts."

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 22:57
Orc
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(Reply to #139)

miguel wrote:
im just gonna put this here

Those handlebars are *wayyy* too high, and whats with not having fenders like G-d himself intended?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 15:19
halbritt
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(Reply to #140)

Orc wrote:
miguel wrote:
im just gonna put this here

Those handlebars are *wayyy* too high, and whats with not having fenders like G-d himself intended?

GTFO

...shift like jesus making one set of footprints in the sand in your time of need

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:45
Larry Winget
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Ya. It's a sw8 fixie Colnago Xtra. Of course it's stupid.

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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 18:47
stronglight1047
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it gets worse the more you look at it. is that a cable-actuated bell? why is there a cassette cog on the DT? does it have 3 pumps?

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 20:27
Orc
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(Reply to #143)

stronglight1047 wrote:
it gets worse the more you look at it. … does it have 3 pumps?

I think it's a down low glow unit (because it's not a real cargo bike unless it's got neon on it.)

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:09
NOVELTYNAME
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Tc: I would make my xtracycle have ground fx

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Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:29
jimmythefly
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deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 14:50
crowding
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^ it was stopped on the BGT taking pictures yesterday. I wondered if the Copenhagen spermbike was on tour or something.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 16:23
Sneaky Viking
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ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 18:16
JUGE FREDD
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U DUMMY: http://www.fastboycycles.com/teachingcancertocry/?p=739

With front load cargo bikes you can't just pull the geometry out of your ass. Why the hell would you just decide to make the HTA super slack? It looks like he might have put enough offset in the fork to make it merely mediocre and floppy, but it's hard to tell for sure. At the same time with that flimsy small box and minimal support cantilever it's not like you could carry any more on this than you could in a Wald basket.

The plate dropouts are awful too, if you don't want to use an eccentric BB, multiple companies make rocker dropouts with chainstay caliper placement. It's not your usual sweet fixie, bro -- track ends aren't helping anything.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 20:39
JUGE FREDD
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Submitted a less-assy version of that as a comment to his blog:

Quote:
If you're going to sell these to customers, you really do need to do some research.
 
Civia didn't talk to anyone either and had a whole run of bikes with poor geometry made. Soma at least figured it out after their first prototype and got help from people with experience building cycletrucks.

Using a slack HTA like that to get the wheel further forward is counterproductive. While you can take care of the resulting trail problem with even more fork offset, the slackness adds a significant floppiness to the steering that's disconcerting with more weight and requires you to strongarm the bars.

A much better solution for the balance problem is to lengthen the top tube significantly, especially since low trail geometry favors having your hands closer to the steering column (either with much shorter stems or very swept bars).

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 20:44
jimmythefly
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Sounds like someone needs a copy of The Data Book.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 22:16

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