get me into cagro bikes

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NOVELTYNAME
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Get a fugn dick brake on there
Yes, it’s necesaary

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 10/23/2017 - 23:45
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #752)

Shortpants wrote:
Definitely get a 160 up front. You cannnnnnn mullet it but if you have big loads you're definitely going to want a good rear brake

yeah gotta keep in mind that relative to a normal bike, all of the rider's weight is on the rear wheel

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Tue, 10/24/2017 - 00:16
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #753)

Shortpants wrote:
Definitely get a 160 up front. You cannnnnnn mullet it but if you have big loads you're definitely going to want a good rear brake. Front brakes already do the majority of the braking, it feels pretty funny when you have 300lbs on the front and a 160mm rotor with hydro brakes and you grab even a well modulated fistful. I think everyone I know has gone over the bars of a bullit once or twice.

Just to be clear: Are you saying a 180 rotor up front would be too much brake power toudulate well?

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 10/24/2017 - 00:19
johnasavoia
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Shortpants wrote:
Definitely get a 160 up front. You cannnnnnn mullet it but if you have big loads you're definitely going to want a good rear brake. Front brakes already do the majority of the braking, it feels pretty funny when you have 300lbs on the front and a 160mm rotor with hydro brakes and you grab even a well modulated fistful. I think everyone I know has gone over the bars of a bullit once or twice.

We use basic deore m615 brakes but that's mostly because things get broken so fast we can't afford to put fancy shit on 6 cargo bikes. If I had my own bullit it'd be decked out in Saint shit. Whatever you get don't bother trying to get pre-bled, you're going to have to cut your own hose and set them up yourself because of the length require on the front. Might save you a couple bucks buying shit individually.

This is all great info.
Alright I asked for a brace/disc mount on the rear. I'll be running a mullet when I first build it up, but something to upgrade eventually.
They also redid all the brazeons for triple top tube routing, full housing on the RD since no more under BB shell routing possible. Psyched for this to come together.

Tue, 10/24/2017 - 08:06
johnasavoia
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Ok!! I am fully turning this thread into my own Mig/Mdilthering dumbass questions thread.

I finally got the bike, and its awesome.

The paint looks great but is absolute garbage, chips and scrapes off if you so much as look at it sideways. The dudes who made it have purchased all the spray guns and such to use real automotive paint, but don't have the indoor space to use it yet, a new permanent paintjob, as well as a real cargo bed kickstand are coming, included in the cost of the bike (which was incredibly reasonable, and for their sake I hope they ask a lot more once production starts for real)

This will be my first disc brake bike, and frankly I know enough to know I don't know much. I'm broke as fuck in general so the build will be stretched out over the winter, but I want to do it right. I'm throwing some shit from my xtracycle build on it now just to learn how to ride it, but final build will be way more modern.

I think these are pretty standard post mounts? I should be able to use most modern brakes with the right adapter?
Front wheel is centerlock, the two 26" disc rear wheels I have are 6 bolt, ones a deore hub to mavic 317 rim, ones a cannondale branded hub to mavic em321 rim. 321 looks burlier but idk.
What brakes do I want?
Definitely hydro rear, probably cable front, or is it really worth it to fuck with hydro splitters?
What size rotors?
What do?
Help me not fuck this one up. I'm pretty cheap but taking my time and want to do it right rather than absolute cheapest way possible.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 14:38
NOVELTYNAME
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Those are ISO mounts
203mm rotor in the front
Same for rear?

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Mon, 12/04/2017 - 14:41
Andrew_Squirrel
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Niiiiice!
What's the tire width and diameter on your front wheel?
Just about to pop off a plastic splatter painted 20" x 50mm fender from my Cycletruck.
If you want it I could mail it to you for the cost of shipping.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 15:08
johnasavoia
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Thanks Mig!
Andrew, I think I'm gonna try and snag a matching powerblock in whatever the largest sizeway I can get for the front. If the mudguard hasn't been junked by then I will definitely hit you up! I think 20"x50 would be perfect.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 15:17
jimmythefly
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Sweet, I am excited for you!

I have used a centerlock-to-6 bolt adapter for a while with no I'll effects (if you want to have matchy rotors).

I vote to go with the matchy black rear wheel.

Based on my MTB experience, I would definitely spend the time and energy to go hydro brake on the front.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 15:28
shane.rrr
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I love that bike. What are your plans for the deck? How much does it weigh?

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 15:30
johnasavoia
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Haven't weighed it, but its lighter than I thought it would be. I think my first plan will be to get some 1x2 planks, drill em, and bolt them to the bed. Eventually I'd like to make a box and a more permanent deck that I can swap between. Or a box that attaches to a deck, or whatever. Right now I'm just psyched to have it.

I'm thinking some non series or maybe deore level Shimano hydros (M315's?) for the brakes+levers, but I wanna talk to some shops about hydro splitters first.
Some cheap 11-40 cassette.
Some shimano clicky shifter.
Some shimano dangler (I have one of those rockbros roadlink knockoffs, seems like a good time to use it)

I also need to figure out the best way to mount my dyno light to the front. On the top cap with a longer bolt? to one of the brazeons at axle level? Pclamp?

If I order brakes from a euro site will I just have to deal with moto brakes?

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 17:01
liquify
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No, they usually tell you if it is left-front, right rear or otherwise.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 17:12
joy of vaping
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You might be able to use the fork crown bracket on the top cap bolt and that'd probably give you the best beam.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 17:41
Viggen
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(Reply to #764)

johnasavoia wrote:
If I order brakes from a euro site will I just have to deal with moto brakes?

Mostly only if you buy from the UK since they are "moto-native".. But you'll probably buy from Krautland right?
These will do just fine, Deore is up to BR-M6000 for 2018.

I don't really get this whole hydro splitting thing? Just leave the front brake to be fixed by a shop? Any decent shop should have Shimano's BH90 hydro lines on roll for custom-length-cutting.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 17:53
johnasavoia
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(Reply to #765)

Viggen wrote:
I don't really get this whole hydro splitting thing? Just leave the front brake to be fixed by a shop? Any decent shop should have Shimano's BH90 hydro lines on roll for custom-length-cutting.

I guess I gotta talk to more shops, there's one near me that does a lot of xtracycles and longtail kid carriers, and they told me the longest hydro hoses they could order were just over 6ft. I think I'll need closer to 8 for the front.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 18:18
mdilthey
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So JEALOUS and so wicked stoked for you dude. Wait, don't you live in New England? I wanna see this thing.

Anyways, those post mounts won't take a flat-mount disc brake so be sure not to buy anything that says flat mount. A regular old pair of BB7's will work great and just about any other style of disc brake comes in that configuration, or it used to. Hydro, etc.

But I wouldn't go hydro on a cargo bike because of how long the housing would need to be (right?)

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 18:44
Viggen
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Get your shop xtracycle shop into BH90 shop rolls? I mean I work/worked at a MTBro shop and all we did was basically carry rolls, everything is custom cut for bikes any way? They gotta loose so much money buying pre-cut's, should leave so much unusable scrap housing? They should be able to order rolls through QBP or what ever..?

Either that or buy this roll from ebay and sell it to the shop at cost?

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 18:50
NOVELTYNAME
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Bb7s are garbage

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 18:51
johnasavoia
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Max come to boston this spring and ride with me

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 18:56
mdilthey
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(Reply to #770)

johnasavoia wrote:
Max come to boston this spring and ride with me

Why wait till spring?

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 18:58
johnasavoia
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(Reply to #771)

mdilthey wrote:
johnasavoia wrote:
Max come to boston this spring and ride with me

Why wait till spring?

If you wanna ride the cagro, I'm basically unavailable until after xmas but yeah come to boston, lets ride bikes and drink coffee. Compare pocket knives, or whatever tarckers do.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 19:02
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #772)

Viggen wrote:
Get your shop xtracycle shop into BH90 shop rolls? I mean I work/worked at a MTBro shop and all we did was basically carry rolls, everything is custom cut for bikes any way? They gotta loose so much money buying pre-cut's, should leave so much unusable scrap housing? They should be able to order rolls through QBP or what ever..?

Either that or buy this roll from ebay and sell it to the shop at cost?

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 19:34
mdilthey
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(Reply to #773)

johnasavoia wrote:
mdilthey wrote:
johnasavoia wrote:
Max come to boston this spring and ride with me

Why wait till spring?

If you wanna ride the cagro, I'm basically unavailable until after xmas but yeah come to boston, lets ride bikes and drink coffee. Compare pocket knives, or whatever tarckers do.

Sounds good, sent you a DM

26/M/41t N/W

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 19:43
Goddamnit Gunther
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(Reply to #774)

johnasavoia wrote:
I also need to figure out the best way to mount my dyno light to the front. On the top cap with a longer bolt? to one of the brazeons at axle level? Pclamp?

Ought to have your mates add a braze on exactly where you want it when they take it for a repaint

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 19:49
johnasavoia
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Ding ding ding for that too.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 19:54
Rusty Piton
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Top cap light mount would be pretty awesome on that bike though!

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Mon, 12/04/2017 - 22:02
NOVELTYNAME
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Dynamo? Fork crown

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 12/05/2017 - 01:35
iwillbe
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Xtracycle is having a big sale right now, if anyone's interested. I took the low road into dynamolife with the Joule/Luxos wheel package they're blowing out. Looks like you can get into an Edgerunner with decent accessories for about 2k.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Tue, 12/12/2017 - 12:05
johnasavoia
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Of course now there's snow and ice everywhere, so putting shit parts on it to do donuts in the schoolyard down the street was a waste, but it feels better than a bare frame. I have some ebay'd cheapo tektro mech brakes on the way to tide me over until I ball out on some hydros (and find a shop that will run 8ft of hydro line). 203 rotor front 180 rear.
Gonna focus on building a platform after xmas madness and worry less about the components. Makes me excited every time I go downstairs and see it sitting there.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 08:27
Rusty Piton
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Could you flip that light mount upside down to get it lower and more out of the way?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 09:27
Rusty Piton
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Also, did you remember to use framesaver?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 09:28
johnasavoia
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Good call on the light mount, yes to frame saver

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 11:28
Rusty Piton
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Good boy. that thing is way too sweet to let rust.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 11:40
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #784)

johnasavoia wrote:

This is so bad ass!

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 11:58
Shortpants
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(Reply to #785)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Could you flip that light mount upside down to get it lower and more out of the way?

Tarck in 2012: slam that stem
Tarck in 2017: slam that dyno light mount (on your cargo bike)

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 13:03
Blakey
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that looks sw8.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 17:26
johnasavoia
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Someday I'll get a custom framebag for the mini triangle below the old downtube.

Wed, 12/13/2017 - 18:31
Goddamnit Gunther
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Holy shit you could have your pals plug a riv nut for your light into the top of one of the fork legs!
I just feel like its so exposed to danger I’m worried about it
That thing is so fucking rad

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 01:41
puelnewdle
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(Reply to #789)

Goddamnit Gunther wrote:
That thing is so fucking rad

Thu, 12/14/2017 - 12:14
Shortpants
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semi-reviving for cagro chat in dirty jumper thread.

https://www.tapplastics.com/

this is where I got the plastic for my base. Just poke around, even if you don't order from them their info is super useful. Pretty sure I have foamed pvc on my deck.

Wed, 01/24/2018 - 22:31
johnasavoia
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Aweeesome thank you dude.

Thu, 01/25/2018 - 08:44
dorth
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oh and this plastics place is in Boston, had it languishing in my bookmarks for some reason

http://altecplastics.com/sales/boston-store.php

Thu, 01/25/2018 - 09:45
Shortpants
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This week was Valentines which is our biggest day of the year.

From my first run on monday morning.

One wednesday we did 1300 deliveries. One of our riders is an absolute wildcard and the ultimate hustler. He will find a way to make more money than he reasonably should. Always. Note the extra box strapped to the double top tube of the tradesman.

Sat, 02/17/2018 - 17:53
guccipolo

one of my least favorite things is a load that I can't see over. props to y'all.

Sat, 02/17/2018 - 20:48
VT regularbike
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At least there aren't also balloons. Back in DC I used to occasionally work holidays for my buddy that did all the downtown edible arrangements deliveries. Most of them had balloons and I was using a cycletruck and Burley trailer. You put as many of the balloons in the trailer, but you'd always have a few that only fit on the front, and you don't want to strap them down since that just takes up the space for another package. So they just whip around in your face if you don't wrangle the strings right.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Sat, 02/17/2018 - 23:31
aek
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I'm looking around at cargo bikes for haulin my kid when she's old enough. I like the idea of a Bullitt, because I want a cargo bike for cargo anyway, any reason I should opt for a more kid oriented thing?

How old is old enough, btw? I guess I just strap a child seat onto the rack?

Is it worth building one up from a frame?

Can one ride that bike with road bars? My wrists hate straight bars. I'd need at least a lot of sweep, I guess.

Questions I haven't thought to ask myself?

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Mon, 02/19/2018 - 04:43
johnasavoia
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I spent a ton of time on flickr looking at different bullitt builds before my cargo bike came, and yeah people definitely ride drops, I imagine it would handle weird but they handle weird already and you get used to it. People run all sorts of cockpits, super upright with backwards stems, long and low, drops, cruisers, whatever. Choad stem and some wider drops would probably be a good starting point if you wanted drops maybe? Not sure if straws has ever run drops on any of the one's he's ridden. I built mine up from a frame cause I'm poor, but I had pretty much everything in the parts bin besides wheels.

Mon, 02/19/2018 - 08:14
Viggen
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(Reply to #798)

aek wrote:
I'm looking around at cargo bikes for haulin my kid when she's old enough. I like the idea of a Bullitt, because I want a cargo bike for cargo anyway, any reason I should opt for a more kid oriented thing?

How old is old enough, btw? I guess I just strap a child seat onto the rack?

Is it worth building one up from a frame?

Can one ride that bike with road bars? My wrists hate straight bars. I'd need at least a lot of sweep, I guess.

Questions I haven't thought to ask myself?

Omnium Cargo or their Mini-Max is the way to go.
They have a mount for the Thule Yepp Maxi seat which is probably what you want your kid to ride in.

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Mon, 02/19/2018 - 10:13
iwillbe
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I like that you could talk with your kid while riding an Omnium set up like that, but with the huge Yepp in place, you don't have a cargo bike anymore. I'd 100% go for an xtracycle / longtail over that - they're good toddler / small kid haulers.

I think a pretty wide range of bar options works on a cargo bike. You're not riding for very long, and you're probably stopping a lot, so seriously sub-optimal fit/postitions all work reasonably well. My Xtracycle came with a seatpost that was 5cm too short, and I just rode with an over-bent knee for a couple of years. For 1-3 miles at a go, it's entirely tolerable.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Mon, 02/19/2018 - 10:37
aek
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I really liked the idea of an Omnium, they seem like they's ride more like a road bike, but having the load that much higher kinda scares me off.

I'd really love to test both with someone's toddler side by side, but I doubt that's something I can arrange...

Anyone ridden both?

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Mon, 02/19/2018 - 10:52

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