get me into cagro bikes

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akasnowmaaan
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Also, FWIW, I've seen Yubas up close. The construction on those things is BURLY. They also have something like 12-15 places for water bottle braze-ons throughout the frame, so you can attach all sorts of stuff everywhere, like batteries for lights and those small tent racks from Salsa.

bork bork bork

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:07
surfcat
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I've ridden a couple Yubas and the newer ones really are well put together. My understanding is that the design comes from a guy who used to work at Xtracycle, and his goal was basically to take everything he'd learned from the X and build a no-BS, no-holds-barred cargo bike. I could be wrong but it's possible the Yuba came out slightly ahead of the Big Dummy - or anyways, at very close to the same time. They are totally kickass.

However - use the online shopping tool and you'll see that by the time you add the centerstand (mandatory IMHO if you want to carry smaller kids, and definitely way less hassle when loading the bike with cargo versus a kickstand), and one or two of those gigantic bags, you're basically getting very close to the cost of a Big Dummy complete.

The Big Dummy is slightly lighter and a little more nimble-feeling, a little more aggressive seating position if you go with the stock complete setup, and has a better component spec. But honestly, how important are the components? I put 3 1/2 years and easily thousands of miles on my Xtracycle which still had the original, 20 year old Exage 500 drivetrain and it did just fine (I did have to upgrade to Avid v-brakes and levers, but that's only because the Xtracycle kit isn't compatible with cantilevers - no cable hanger). As long as it shifts well and you have enough gear range to get your load up whatever your steepest hill is, who gives a fuck what label is on it?

Anyways, tl; dr: the Yuba is a sweet ride at a pretty nice price point. Definitely worth a test ride.

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 01:20
kevinwulf
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Rode a Bullitt cargo bike on the weekend. First couple of hundred yards I couldn't steer it straight at all, kept going 2 feet left and right. Made me feel like a cycling noob. Anyway, got the hang of it a bit after that. Was really sweet! Then I almost stacked it comin' in hot into the owner's garage.

Shame they are so expensive.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 03:18
Patch
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If you're stateside: fuck a bullitt, go for the Bilenky.
Bullitt plusses: lower COG, great kickstand.
Bilenky doesn't have as great of a kickstand, but the steering is tons better, and the COG thing doesn't come into too big effect until you have a shit ton of weight. I had a long discussion with the Cargo Bike world champion about this just sunday, who got a crack in his bullitt (Larry vs Harry is from the same city, sponsored him with the bike) but can't warranty it.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 04:04
Rusty Piton
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The Bilenky cargo bike is awesome:

And Stephen Bilenky is awesome:

(He's the beard)

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:00
Rusty Piton
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emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:00
Rusty Piton
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Plus the ladies love Bilenky.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:06
Rusty Piton
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emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:08
surfcat
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IT MOVED.

THEN MOVED SOME MORE.

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:18
liquify
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^seriously.
Now I want a cargo bike, and that bilenky looks awesome. Once I get my phd, if i get a job, watch out world.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 11:06
NOVELTYNAME
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i test drove an ahearne cargo bike last year when he put out +/- 9 different? frames. They look somewhat like the Bilenky except with a smaller flatbed. I rode it about 5 miles with 40 lbs and it carried well. When we got to the destination we decided to try hauling each other and i couldnt handle a squirmy 150lb (joel of courier, for those who know) payload but he was able to ride up and down the street with me on the front of the bike. IIRC he was asking for $1500 at the time/frameset and it was going to go up to $1700 later.
edit: this is the exact bike

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 11:44
surfcat
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IMHO if you can't carry 200+lbs without the bike being sketchy, then it's failing at "cargo bike" status.

40lbs is just the normal shit you carry when you don't have to rely on a messenger bag for your entire load carrying capability.

IMHO / YMMV / etc

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 11:45
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #63)

surfcat wrote:
IMHO if you can't carry 200+lbs without the bike being sketchy, then it's failing at "cargo bike" status.

40lbs is just the normal shit you carry when you don't have to rely on a messenger bag for your entire load carrying capability.

IMHO / YMMV / etc

Depends on the shape/size of the load and where/how far you're taking it.

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 11:47
timberland boots
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(Reply to #64)

surfcat wrote:
IMHO if you can't carry 200+lbs without the bike being sketchy, then it's failing at "cargo bike" status.

40lbs is just the normal shit you carry when you don't have to rely on a messenger bag for your entire load carrying capability.

IMHO / YMMV / etc

Dunno, I want one for grocery trips. Gets to be annoying being limitted by what you can fit in an admittedly big ass backpack per trip. Shit like a loaf of bread (real bread, not that fucking wonderbread shit) and a box of cereal and there's like half your carrying capacity as it is. A cycletruck would work pretty good in that kind of situation and I haven't had to move *anything* big enough to warrant a full on cargo bike in the past 3 years. Seems to fit a pretty decent niche ATMO

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 11:57
NOVELTYNAME
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i think that it was partially me. i had no experience with front end loads/loads in general and having a friend swing his legs over the front was a little weird for me. if it was a few boxes of heavy shit it might have been different.

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 12:17
deadforkinglast
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I saw one of those Bilenky cargo bikes in person at an SF Bike Coalition event I worked on Sunday. Very nice. If I had a garage or other serious storage capacity, I would be lusting after one.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 13:57
surfcat
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(Reply to #67)

tarckeemoon wrote:
Depends on the shape/size of the load and where/how far you're taking it.

Agreed... but if you can carry 200lbs, you can sure as shit carry 20 ;-)

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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:48
Orc
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(Reply to #68)

surfcat wrote:
IMHO if you can't carry 200+lbs without the bike being sketchy, then it's failing at "cargo bike" status.

Why 200 pounds? I've never carried anything more than about 120 pounds on my xtracycle (and that gave me xtracycle shimmy like you wouldn't believe) and I've never thought that this was any sort of limitation.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 03:14
deadforkinglast
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Carrying multiple children + cargo would, I imagine, often add up to 200+.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 04:55
surfcat
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For me, it's because it means you can carry passengers, or multiple heavy objects (once moved 2 computers, printer, monitors and peripherals in one load on the X), or a significant amount of food and libations, or large lightweight objects that are bulky and awkward like a boxed up bike.

Basically, it lets you carry stuff that you would otherwise be firing up the car to move.

Which doesn't mean that you have to be carrying that stuff all the time - it just means you can rely on a car that much less, and with way more convenience. And convenience is key to making it so you'll replace the car on a regular basis.

For me, max convenience comes with dynamo lights, fenders, and a rainsuit / cold weather gear. With that, you can pretty much replace a car for almost all local trips, especially if you get some kind of a serious flatbed trailer too (for the really big stuff like furniture, or just to max out what you are carrying on a given trip).

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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 09:08
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #71)

Orc wrote:
surfcat wrote:
IMHO if you can't carry 200+lbs without the bike being sketchy, then it's failing at "cargo bike" status.

Why 200 pounds? I've never carried anything more than about 120 pounds on my xtracycle (and that gave me xtracycle shimmy like you wouldn't believe) and I've never thought that this was any sort of limitation.

Really? My girlfriend weighs 120 and I regularly carry her and an a large load of groceries with no shimmy at all. What are you doing wrong?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:20
aerobear
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(Reply to #72)

miguel wrote:
i test drove an ahearne cargo bike last year when he put out +/- 9 different? frames. They look somewhat like the Bilenky except with a smaller flatbed. I rode it about 5 miles with 40 lbs and it carried well. When we got to the destination we decided to try hauling each other and i couldnt handle a squirmy 150lb (joel of courier, for those who know) payload but he was able to ride up and down the street with me on the front of the bike. IIRC he was asking for $1500 at the time/frameset and it was going to go up to $1700 later.
edit: this is the exact bike

just posting to say there's no way in hell that joel weighs 150. i'd estimate him more at like 125.

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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:28
NOVELTYNAME
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lol
yr prob right

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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:33
Orc
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(Reply to #74)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Orc wrote:
Why 200 pounds? I've never carried anything more than about 120 pounds on my xtracycle (and that gave me xtracycle shimmy like you wouldn't believe) and I've never thought that this was any sort of limitation.

Really? My girlfriend weighs 120 and I regularly carry her and an a large load of groceries with no shimmy at all. What are you doing wrong?

When the heavy part of the load sits back of the rear axle, it wags the bicycle much like a trailer does. It doesn't help that the old glued and lugged aluminum Treks (I xtracycled my '89 Trek 1000) are super-flexy.

If I'm just carrying my traditional 6 bags of groceries, it's not a problem because I load the heavy sloshy stuff as close to the front as possible, but my heavy loads are things like kitty litter+catfood, which completely fills the saddlebags and is all heavy (the next step up from that is the occasional 700 pound load of sand, paving stones, or other construction supplies, which I'd need one of these to carry -- and bringing a fully loaded cargo trike down the hill to home is more of an adventure than I think I'd ever want to do.)

I don't carry passengers on my xtra -- I pulled the skateboard deck from the thing and sold it on ebay several years ago because it interfered with cargo strapping. If my family wants to ride, they've got their own bicycles.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:46
akasnowmaaan
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Considering I'm 290, with a goal of 240 at absolute bottom, my cargo bike has to carry a fuck-ton of weight to make it worthwhile.

I wonder if me being so big will mitigate some other weight distribution issues somewhat.

bork bork bork

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:58
NOVELTYNAME
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48 spoke 26" wheels

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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:00
surfcat
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(Reply to #77)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Orc wrote:
surfcat wrote:
IMHO if you can't carry 200+lbs without the bike being sketchy, then it's failing at "cargo bike" status.

Why 200 pounds? I've never carried anything more than about 120 pounds on my xtracycle (and that gave me xtracycle shimmy like you wouldn't believe) and I've never thought that this was any sort of limitation.

Really? My girlfriend weighs 120 and I regularly carry her and an a large load of groceries with no shimmy at all. What are you doing wrong?

I think it really depends on the donor frame. What are you guys using on your X, Rusty?

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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 19:40
Rusty Piton
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A steel VooDoo mtb from like 2001 and it's great. Previously it had an aluminum Specialized Hardrock from like 2004 or something. The funny thing is, the whole rig is stiffer and lighter with the steel frame.
I kinda think it's a bad idea to bolt an xtra onto an aluminum frame.
Then:

Now:

(Minus the basket and stoker bars. Ashley didn't like the stoker bars)

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 20:28
JUGE FREDD
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But NJS Jaguar stem!

She prefer holding on to you?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Sat, 10/15/2011 - 00:34
Rusty Piton
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She holds on to the saddle rails.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 11:39
aerobear
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you needa put on a lil xtra love handles to give your lady some alternate hand positions

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 14:05
NOVELTYNAME
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I got those
Just need xtracycle now

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Sat, 10/15/2011 - 14:07
Sneaky Viking
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tc: every time I see/think about thread title, I picture 2 fredbros with hivis beards and shit getting off their xtras and up in eachothers' faces
"WHY U GOTTA GET ALL CAGRO ON ME BRO?"
"COME AT ME FRED!"

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 15:53
JUGE FREDD
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^ lollin

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 02:37
JUGE FREDD
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.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 02:37
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #86)

aerobear wrote:
you needa put on a lil xtra love handles to give your lady some alternate hand positions

I got hand positions to spare!

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:46
surfcat
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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 11:59
Rusty Piton
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Awesome.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 12:41
Face
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that was a cool video

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 13:30
motorbacon
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All you hippy bike nerds probably blew a load over that video

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 14:06
Face
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Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 16:18
motorbacon
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Truth.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 17:27
surfcat
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So many loads.

This is the cagro bike thrad after all.

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 18:47
Rusty Piton
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I usually only ride the xtra when I know I have something to carry, but today I rode it just for the hell of it and wound up with a free new antique medicine cabinet and a new houseplant.
In conclusion, cargo bikes are awesome.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:01
motorbacon
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(Reply to #95)

surfcat wrote:

This is the cagro bike thrad after all.

Well aware, but that fucking video reminded me of some save the earth, don't buy new, eat this or that, mumbo jumbo nonsense of the 'love the world' type . Reminds me of my ex. Can't stand that shit. Save the earth, but still buying new goods and shit.

Ok, ranting off topic.

TC: want freeradical for raleigh when i get a new road bike.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:26
surfcat
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Yeah definitely agree, but, that lady is badass if she lives at the top of that giant fucking hill and rides up it with her kids in that Bakfiets. I'd be crying like a baby (those friggen Bakfiets make riding an Xtracycle or Big Dummy feel like a Formula 1 racer by comparison) EDIT: She has electric assist. This is a perfect example of when I'm a big fan of electric assist.

The rest I don't care about so much. Definitely granola crunch going on there, but, she'd probably way cooler to hang out with than the average Kardashabee. And she's totally right about the part where doing all the normal mundane stuff (take kids to school, go grocery shopping, etc.) is about a billion times radder and more fun on a bike. I feel like I'm getting away with murder, like, everyday.

And FWIW, if more people get into cargo bikes, and out of their minivans and SUVs, then I'm stoked. I've already got one family at my boy's school saying they got their Xtracycle because of my example. I always make sure to be real encouraging with people who ask about the bike. Why not. Less cars is less cars.

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:13
JUGE FREDD
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she's got an electric assist to get back up

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:11
surfcat
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Yeah just picked up on that. I watched the first time this morning with the sound off and was in a hurry. I've edited my post. I definitely support e-assist for a bakfiets intended for hillclimbing.

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:14
jamey
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(Reply to #99)

Rusty Piton wrote:
I usually only ride the xtra when I know I have something to carry, but today I rode it just for the hell of it and wound up with a free new antique medicine cabinet and a new houseplant.
In conclusion, cargo bikes are awesome.

I ride mine everyday for commuting, and since putting on the big apples, I love commuting on it ever more. Too often do I not plan for grocery store trips, so just being able to go on a whim is really nice.

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 11:12
aek
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I need to buy a big peice if MDF to make a desk. Get me into trailers that would get something like that home?

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Wed, 10/19/2011 - 12:22

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