get me into cagro bikes

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Face
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get me into cagro bikes

i wanna make a cargo bike.

i have the bike and welder, other parts are still at the hardware store or hanging up in my buddys garage. i wanna make something like the soma tradesman.

so, lets discuss cargo bikes.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 14:02
timberland boots
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Want Soma tradesman, so badly

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 14:06
Rusty Piton
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You should really just make an extracycle type longbike.
They are far more versatile in my opinion.

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 14:44
stronglight1047
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not an expert although i've owned a big dummy for a year or so now. the questions i'd ask are:

1. storage - long tail is long.
2. package size - if you plan to carry large cube-shaped boxes like the guy pictured above, get a front-loader. if you want to carry grocery bags, multiple smaller things, long things, or people, get a longtail.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:45
Face
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i dont want to lengthen the wheelbase too much as i still want to be able to carry the bike up stairs easily and onto the train. i also want to still use it for beer runs, bring wheels, frames and over large items to the shop and to get to school with a couple books. i think a longbike would be total overkill for that. i used a bob trailer for a little while and the extra wheelbase was a real bummer when i only had a small load.

i also have a plan for a removable cargo platform and an idea for a secondary smaller cargo platform/basket to make it easier to handle in tight quarters.

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47
euclid
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Big basket + rear panniers on a front loader like that would carry a lot of smaller items I'd imagine.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:37
Sandbagbear
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I believe I've already talked myself out of a cycletruck because a tall load may get in the way of the handlebars. Stupid front wheel, I'd have to buy townie clothes and more pumpkins

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:13
jimmythefly
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deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:25
Face
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saw that alex wetmore bike, i really like that other one form haulin colin and not just because of the color

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:41
VT regularbike
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Building a cycletruck really isn't that hard. Mine works great and was super cheap to build.

Miguel wrote:
i mean as long as we're spending money, lets just set the wallet on fire ok

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:32
Cy Trivialities
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UNNNNGHHHHHHH, and i was just considering buying a cargo trailer... do I do this instead?!

that tradesman looks amazing. it'd be for costco runs mainly.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:08
biek

guysshoe?

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u mad bro?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:12
mr. fop
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they give me boners, but i'm not convinced. i can't fully articulate it but i feel like they are the logical step after pugsleys in bike marketing instead of moonlanders. the mini-cargo seems like a solution to a minor inconvenience.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:14
Cy Trivialities
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(Reply to #13)

biekridder wrote:
guysshoe?

Lol. hauling toilet papers.

I actually have a costco no more than 10 minutes away from me, and I don't really have any good way of carrying anything. At this point I can only buy what fits inside my baileyworks pack.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:19
surfcat
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(Reply to #14)

Face wrote:
i dont want to lengthen the wheelbase too much as i still want to be able to carry the bike up stairs easily and onto the train. i also want to still use it for beer runs, bring wheels, frames and over large items to the shop and to get to school with a couple books. i think a longbike would be total overkill for that. i used a bob trailer for a little while and the extra wheelbase was a real bummer when i only had a small load.

I think if you rode an Xtracycle or Big Dummy you'd find they're quite nimble compared to a trailer setup, more comparable to a typical bike (tho obviously a bit longer feeling). They are not so sexy for carrying upstairs though.

So that said... what about a small cargo trailer that you can use for that other stuff, and then leave behind when you don't need it? You're not even talking about stuff that weighs too much, you'd probably even be able to pull it around with a sweet fixie if you had to / wanted to.

I've been riding my Xtracycle for going on 4 years now and really enjoy it. Since my oldest boy started school last year, it's become my primary ride. We go to school on it together, then I ride to work, shopping, whatever. Great "do it all" rig ATMO.

But it seems like you want to build one of these things. Assuming you can get the geometry sorted so it's not sketchy with a load on the front, I think you should just go for it. Though the trailer idea is nice (we have one of those that we pull behind the Xtracycle, so the kids can ride comfortably but we can still bring a ton-o-stuff).

Quote:
the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:13
biek

i already posted this once today, but don't buy a civia halsted.
ripoff even at cost.

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:29
JUGE FREDD
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I've got a Haulin' Colin cycletruck myself, made for mini-bike winter:

There's a definite weight limit, over ~50 pounds it'll tip over forward on its own without your weight on it, and the cantilevered basket will begin to trampoline. Luckily that weight corresponds pretty closely to the maximum volume capacity with my usual loads of groceries.

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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:44
Face
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im not too concerned with how it will handle while riding compared to an xtracycle or similar, im concerned with handling the bike while not riding it. storing it in the garage, bringing it on the train during commute hours, up the stairs, getting it through doorways, etc. ive never been on an xtracycle but we had a kona use at the shop and while it was fine to ride, i moving it around was a complete bitch.

so, yea, just picked up a pretty nice bmx fork and handlebars for the project, just need to find a long head tube and some other stuff to get started

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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:28
jamey
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I'd say that an xtracycle would really only be a pain on the train, which seems important to you. My apartment is a bit of a pain to get into if I have my xtracycle loaded up with stuff, but that would be true of ANY cargo bike. It just means that I have to take the stuff off before i go into my building.

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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 10:16
Rusty Piton
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Yeah, there's no way you could take an xtracycle on the L here. The workers would laugh in your face if you tried.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 10:45
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #20)

Face wrote:
so, yea, just picked up a pretty nice bmx fork and handlebars for the project, just need to find a long head tube and some other stuff to get started

A random BMX fork is unlikely to get you nice steering under load, especially with the bigger 2.3" tires you'll want to use: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php

You want 35-40mm of trail, a 73° HTA will handle slightly better normally, but a 72° HTA will be better with a heavy load from the front wheel being further under the cargo.

45mm rake BMX forks exist but they're not very common. You'll probably want a hub or disc brake too. I really like the Sturmey Archer XL-FDD, the drum brakes have so much modulation that you're not going to endo accidentally.

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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 14:11
surfcat
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http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/bikes-and-gear-features/coolest-bike-ever-made

Bicycling Magazine discovers cargo bikes. Film at 11.

Quote:
the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:37
white folks
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gah. i fucking hate portland sometimes.

distracted by ass pain

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 00:07
white folks
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my cargo bike is my race bike, but i have a big ass backpack on my back.

distracted by ass pain

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 00:08
Face
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yea, i have no desire to carry 60lbs of cat litter on my back, or on the back of my bike.

besides, i have not built up a stupid bike in a while.

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Fri, 09/30/2011 - 00:17
oogens
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at the shop in davis the owner sloppily brazed up something that looks a lot like the tradesman out of some old mountain bikes. handled great, could carry a ~140 lb person on the front fairly easy in flat as hell davis. handled much easier than having someone on the back of the kona ute he got afterwards (though the ute had no foot rests or handlebars on the back)

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 01:15
Sandbagbear
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(Reply to #26)

surfcat wrote:
http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/bikes-and-gear-features/coolest-bike-ever-made

Bicycling Magazine discovers cargo bikes. Film at 11.

Insert my radiolab-sized rant.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 10:46
Larry Winget
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Fucking Portland.

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Fri, 09/30/2011 - 11:28
Rusty Piton
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One time I hauled 260 pounds of brass plumbing fittings to the scrap yard on the back of my xtracycle.
It was the scariest two miles of my life.
I could feel the back fishtailing all over the place and the bike felt like it was gonna fall apart.
It rides great with 120 pounds of pre-wife on it though.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 11:34
surfcat
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The donor for the X is so important. My 20yr old Kona Lava Dome with compact MTB geometry is not the stiffest option, not by a long shot. Aluminum frames seem to work pretty well - they're definitely stiffer - but in theory you then have to make sure to inspect your frame more frequently as aluminum will eventually fatigue and fail (I don't think it's very common though).

Or of course go with a Big Dummy or Yuba. The former is pretty sweet, the latter is kind of a tractor, but both are significantly stiffer than an Xtracycle. But it really depends on how much you plan on carrying on a normal basis. For me, it's ~100lbs+ of kids plus cargo and often a trailer... it was getting sketchy with my X, so I've stepped up to a Big Dummy and believe it's gonna be awesome. TBD... but cargobiking is sweet in any format atmo.

Quote:
the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:35
surfcat
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Quote:
the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 03:21
Rusty Piton
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Why the fuck does the fucking Yuba have a fucking quill stem?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 09:45
crowding
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same reason it has a 6 speed freewheel i think

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 13:45
Larry Winget
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I think there's something to be said for a bike like this being able to quickly adapt to riders of varying dimensions.

Also, these are dirt fucking cheap and are speced accordingly.

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 13:57
timberland boots
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1100 dollars isn't *that* dirt cheap atmo. Inexpensive as far as cargo bikes go for sure, but 1100 dollars typically gets you more than bottom of the barrel in every other segment of the bike market

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 14:27
Larry Winget
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Well, yeah. Not the first bike to be speced to meet a price point.

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 14:32
timberland boots
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At a glance the Civia Halsted looks to offer a better build at the same price point (front dick, 9 speed alivio) but I admittedly have no experience riding a cycletruck or a longtail so maybe there's a reason the Yuba is comparably valued that I'm ignorant on. But between the two (and I again, I don't know shit really) the Yuba doesn't seem to offer great value in it's build out

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 14:38
Face
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kona ute is spec'd way better and goes for $1249

yuba has no excuse

Mr. Pubes wrote:
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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 14:56
NOVELTYNAME
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does anybody have experience with the civia halstead? can you get it in frameset only?

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 15:50
NOVELTYNAME
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oh shit.
just saw this

want so bad

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 15:52
Rusty Piton
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WINNER!
Also, is it just me or does that bottom bracket seem perilously low?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 15:54
biek
(Reply to #41)

miguelaron wrote:
does anybody have experience with the civia halstead? can you get it in frameset only?

biekridder wrote:
civia halstead kind of blows.
even at cost it's a rip off.

the brakes, wheels, and levers are super cheap.

kickstand is poorly designed/bike falls over with any sort of load. it rides well, but is slow with a load and doesn't carry a load that great. can't ride it no handedly with any sort of load coz handlebars immediately get the death shimmy.

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:11
biek
(Reply to #42)

Rich wrote:
At a glance the Civia Halsted looks to offer a better build at the same price point (front dick, 9 speed alivio) but I admittedly have no experience riding a cycletruck or a longtail so maybe there's a reason the Yuba is comparably valued that I'm ignorant on. But between the two (and I again, I don't know shit really) the Yuba doesn't seem to offer great value in it's build out

biekridder wrote:
civia halstead kind of blows.
even at cost it's a rip off.

the brakes, wheels, and levers are super cheap.

kickstand is poorly designed/bike falls over with any sort of load. it rides well, but is slow with a load and doesn't carry a load that great. can't ride it no handedly with any sort of load coz handlebars immediately get the death shimmy.

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 17:11
Elderbear
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(Reply to #43)

miguelaron wrote:
oh shit.
just saw this

want so bad

That would be my coworker Tom's "Halstracycle". Have testridden. Doesn't feel nearly as cartoonish as it looks.

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:21
JUGE FREDD
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looks like the freeradical is dropping the BB an inch or so

The Halstead's geometry is beyond fucked, it's like they didn't look at any real cycletrucks or actually test it before diving headfirst into production. Maybe they just assumed that it's supposed to handle shitty with a front load because all the other bikes they've ridden do.

Soma made the same mistake with their prototype but realized it sucked, asked for advice, and fixed it before production.

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:21
Face
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what are these mistakes and fixes?

what geometry should one look for and avoid on a front loader? gimme some numbers?

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:43
Face
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and i totally just saw your recommendations on geometry on page 1 just now...

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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:59
surfcat
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(Reply to #47)

Face wrote:
kona ute is spec'd way better and goes for $1249

yuba has no excuse

Except for the part where the Yuba is way more capable. Those things are tanks, but they are super cargo bikes. 48 spoke, 26" wheels as compared to 32 spoke (?) 29" wheels. Way higher cargo load limit. Very stiff with a load, ride just fine, and the components will definitely get the job done even if they don't set a bike nerd's heart aflutter.

The newest version of the Yuba is no longer super cheap, but I believe the spec has been improved versus the original 6spd referenced above. But I'm not surprised it's not as comparably well spec'ed for its price point as a bike from Kona or Trek... Yuba is a tiny fish by comparison and I can't imagine they command the same wholesale component costs as the competition.

The Ute and Trek Transports are cute ideas, but get the majority of the load distributed in back of the rear axle... due to an unfortunately short wheelbase, I guess, or just clueless designers. Or most likely, they were designing to an overall footprint that would minimize shipping costs, but then had to put the bags way back to avoid heelstrike... probably thinking their customers would never really carry much more than relatively lightweight groceries or similar.

Even with the extra stiffness imparted by the aluminum frame, IMHO they are really nowhere near as capable of a significant load as a Mundo/Xtracycle/Big Dummy. I think the bags have been improved over time, but they're still too small and put the load too high, and too far back, versus an Xtracycle/Big Dummy or Mundo.

Compare & contrast:

The real low price winner on the cargo bike front is the Sun Atlas, an Xtracycle-compatible rig that I think has a lot of promise (haven't ridden one yet). Haven't seen one in person but I hope they are a success.

IMHO, YMMV, ATMO, etc.

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the gearing is perfect for quick execration

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:27
liquify
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I count 36 spokes on the ute, but that's I'll I have way of contribution. Can get my friend's input as he just bought one for living in/teaching in UC San Marcos.

Also, looking at the pics, I don't see the worry of heel strike with the pedals, but that could be the size of bikes and pics that contribute to that.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:50
Larry Winget
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(Reply to #49)

surfcat wrote:
The real low price winner on the cargo bike front is the Sun Atlas, an Xtracycle-compatible rig that I think has a lot of promise (haven't ridden one yet). Haven't seen one in person but I hope they are a success.

Would like to check this out. My wife is into the idea of a longtail but only if we can both ride it, and I think with what looks like a slacker seat tube it might be possible with this. Plus cheap.

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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:54
akasnowmaaan
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(Reply to #50)

surfcat wrote:
Except for the part where the Yuba is way more capable. Those things are tanks, but they are super cargo bikes. ...

Compare & contrast:...

The real low price winner on the cargo bike front is the Sun Atlas, an Xtracycle-compatible rig that I think has a lot of promise (haven't ridden one yet). Haven't seen one in person but I hope they are a success[/img]

IMHO, YMMV, ATMO, etc.

That one post just condensed the amount of useful info found in some forums. Nice. Saved, and you've convinced me what my next bike should be.

bork bork bork

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:05

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