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Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #15901)

eric_ssucks wrote:
3 sizes. Event medium, medium, and medium plus.

What's your standover height?

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 21:50
Rentable Faxmachine
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Hope those forks come with some hella long steerers.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 21:50
Gary Fissure


#untukt

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 21:56
JUGE FREDD
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for those blocked on instagram: https://rawlandcycles.com/

no geometry chart, but looks like ~47cm chainstays?

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 21:59
Blakey
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450mm according to the geo chart.
https://rawlandcycles.com/products/rawland-xsogn-complete-bicycle

Edit:
Frame Size Small Medium Large
Toe Overlap Nope Never Nei

UGH

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:02
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Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:02
euclid
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WTB sells that tire as their enduro option. Maybe overkill for fire roads and gravel?

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:12
drwelby
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but does it plane?

Naturally, this bike is partially tarck's fault.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:14
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #15909)

euclid wrote:
WTB sells that tire as their enduro option. Maybe overkill for fire roads and gravel?

But I bet it's great for 5' drops!

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:21
Lippy
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Cable routing seems opinionated.

Happily shuffling between rural corn dog stands.

Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:40
kmcdon
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can't they just make the nerdavinden again so that I can replace my road bike and use all the same parts?

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 01:28
dotMR
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(Reply to #15912)

kmcdon wrote:
can't they just make the nerdavinden again so that I can replace my road bike and use all the same parts?

what size are you? Hubjub in UK still has a few 58 NOS. They were trying to clear them out at 20% off EOY
http://hubjub.co.uk/rawlands-nordavinden-58cm-only-177-p.asp

TC: I almost jumped at 20% but was too afraid to pay actual money for anything Rawland.
TC: On the other hand slightly tempted by those racks

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 02:51
eric_ssucks
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The nerdavinden is fine. It's made in Taiwan by the same people who make plenty of other bikes.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 03:10
dotMR
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(Reply to #15914)

drwelby wrote:
Shit, for me Grant set the yolobike path - he had Henry Kingman's solo PBP bike at the Riv booth at Interbike in 99 or 00. Big ass Schmidt hub, fatty Conti touring tires, rando bag. I think I've been chasing that bike ever since.

I'm in this camp too (not from Interbike tho). I hung out at and worked in shops a bit in college, and IMO all the industry cared about was racerbros. Grant/Riv was the only thing I found saying something different that actually fit with what I liked about bikes. Miss my Karate Monkey with balloon tires...

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 03:10
jamesacklin
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Christ alive that's one ugly steamroller

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 07:58
jimmythefly
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Oh, Rawland. I still miss my dSogn, but have been so turned off by the company antics.

PS I have one of their racks. If you want to mount to lowrider bosses you'll likely need longer struts. Also platform height is not adjustable, so it may ride kinda high if you've got a fork crown that rides high over the tire. Otherwise I like it, but just another case of them being close to excellent, then not.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 11:02
kmcdon
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(Reply to #15917)

dotMR wrote:
kmcdon wrote:
can't they just make the nerdavinden again so that I can replace my road bike and use all the same parts?

what size are you? Hubjub in UK still has a few 58 NOS. They were trying to clear them out at 20% off EOY
http://hubjub.co.uk/rawlands-nordavinden-58cm-only-177-p.asp

TC: I almost jumped at 20% but was too afraid to pay actual money for anything Rawland.
TC: On the other hand slightly tempted by those racks

.....I'm a 58.

oh fuck

oh fuckohfuckohfuck

I can't/shouldn't buy one right now but if they're still there in the spring when I can sell a bike or 2 off.... I wouldn't mind stripping my LeMond down to the frame and putting all the parts on a nerda.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 11:26
chazzwazzer
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ATMO the nerdavinden is worth it, even now. Horribly tempted by those 58s, I could run cheap rim brake dyno wheels for the rest of my life and not gum up my “race” bike.

Bars down, levers up, that's the way tarck likes to 'sup...

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 14:35
kmcdon
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yeah. I know, and I could buy it right now, but that would be a horrible decision.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 14:39
jamesacklin
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Fri, 01/12/2018 - 16:39
asterisk
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That's not a Subaru.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 18:07
emor
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nerdavinden is a great nerd road bike

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 18:08
Endpoint
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Refresh my memory.
What’s so sweet about nerdavendian?

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 21:57
liquify
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planes like whoa/rides real fucking good with them small tubes. mid rake handled bag great. Look pretty, too.
Kinda regret selling mine, but went to former tarcker, and I needed some monies at the time.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 22:21
kmcdon
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I don't think my LeMond really planes. It's zippy though.

Fri, 01/12/2018 - 23:34
eric_ssucks
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It's got 70 mm of rake, super low trail.

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 00:05
Tail Hook Lengthener
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As I perceive it, my carbon Trek "planes" better than my True Temper Trek 360.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 00:08
jawn doe
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so i don’t get it. did any real humans actually receive a ravn or an ulv? seems like they only ever ended up in the hands of some tastemaker types.

why they no mention tube spec? what is the reach? do they have a real drawing of this bike or are these fake numbers? how high are they?

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 10:17
eric_ssucks
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Co-worker has one, has ridden it to work. It's a bike.
Who knows about this xsogn but the radlawn does have a history of making metal happen.

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 11:00
iwillbe
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(Reply to #15930)

Endpoint wrote:
Refresh my memory.
What’s so sweet about nerdavendian?

I rode a friend's Norda, the largest size Rawland made (60cm tt). It felt fine just cruising along, not so great with any power happening. I suspect that if you're 6'6" and weigh between 200-220 lbs, most bikes plane just fine with slightly larger diameter tubing.

The bike's owner thinks it handles nicely with some weight over the front wheel, not so great otherwise.

I suspect that 90% of the reputation they have is from fortuitous market timing and a fanbase they hadn't yet burned with minor technical glitches and borderline vaporware.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Sat, 01/13/2018 - 11:41
emor
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The thing has 32mm of trail, so it definitely won’t handle well at all with no weight up front.

It’s pretty flexy but I’ve had plenty of fun on mine over the years. Do not know what I’m gonna replace it with.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 00:24
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Back to Grant for a second, this should have been a Riv, and when it popped up on my feed, I immediately though that it was. But GP would rather die on his hill than accept a new technology.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 19:02
NOVELTYNAME
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Exact same thing I thought when I first saw it but then I was like “discs?”

"Folks want options!"

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 20:44
heavymetal
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(Reply to #15934)

NOVELTYNAME wrote:
Exact same thing I thought when I first saw it but then I was like “discs?”

Same here.

Sun, 01/14/2018 - 23:31
ThurberMingus
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TC if they made the Romanceur with the Atlantis paint job I would buy it instantly.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 00:49
emor
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It's not just the tech, it's the whole ... design philosophy? I feel like grant has a hard time designing bikes that are meant for anything more than two mile trips to the store at this point.

EDIT: actually, looking at what they're currently offering, it looks like they dropped most of the weird shit from the lineup. I guess after reading so much about the weirdo Long wheelbase freakbikes I didn't realize they had pared down.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 07:34
jamesacklin
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I like their mechanic Mark's bikes.

Other than the questionable fit and the lack of CX tubulars, this bike slaps

Edit: was there ever an Open Pro tubular rim? I might be mistaken but those look like clinchers

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 10:08
ergott
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Those are clincher rims

If someone on here did it, I'd probably like it. Since it was done by someone I don't know, they're a fucking idiot.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 10:16
JUGE FREDD
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It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 15:28
Rentable Faxmachine
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Saw the post title and immediately started singing the misfits' "attitude" in my head.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 15:34
jamesacklin
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(Reply to #15941)

Can't grow if you don't push yourself

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 16:03
TimArchyLime
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(Reply to #15942)

What's your point Fred? Just eye-rolling or are you trying to make a larger statement about individual learning curves?

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 16:08
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #15943)

jamesacklin wrote:
I like their mechanic Mark's bikes.

Other than the questionable fit and the lack of CX tubulars, this bike slaps

Edit: was there ever an Open Pro tubular rim? I might be mistaken but those look like clinchers

Whenever they post Mark's bikes, they always look like solid, slightly goofy bikes. Which is about the best that I hope for in my own bikes.

It's weird because I used to really think Riv was kind of cool and that I would kind of like to know what those bikes rode like. I still think the A. Homer Hilsen and Atlantis are fucking cool bikes. That weird first mountain bike they came out with was pretty cool, too, in its own way. Was that the Bombadil?

Recently, it's seemed like they were just doing weird shit like selling a bike that couldn't take a pusher because Grant wanted a useless piece of metal to be brazed where the pusher went because he thought of it one day while riding his scooter to work in Walnut Creek. My impression, though, was that they had a loyal fanbase that would eat that shit up. I wonder if they found the limits of their fanbase or if they just can't make money on some of this dumb shit even if they do sell it.

Mon, 01/15/2018 - 17:39
fixed
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i am not hating on LB, but it's interesting that she's talking about physical aptitude, and not knowledge aptitude. there may be knitters in her class that know loads about needles and yarn or whatever, they're just not great at knitting. you can be a great bike mechanic and slow as hell.

the issue i (and others?) took with her writing from years ago was that she THOUGHT she had high knowledge aptitude, but did not.

i guess as long as someone is honest with themselves about their aptitude it's hard to be annoyed.

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 11:46
joy of vaping
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(Reply to #15945)

deadforkinglast wrote:
selling a bike that couldn't take a pusher because Grant wanted a useless piece of metal to be brazed where the pusher went because he thought of it one day while riding his scooter to work in Walnut Creek.

Which one was this?

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 12:02
eric_ssucks
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One of his homer-couches with the carry handle because his elderly cultists are really going to be lugging a 40lb bike up stairs.

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 12:41
iwillbe
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(Reply to #15947)

fixed wrote:
i am not hating on LB, but it's interesting that she's talking about physical aptitude, and not knowledge aptitude. there may be knitters in her class that know loads about needles and yarn or whatever, they're just not great at knitting. you can be a great bike mechanic and slow as hell.

the issue i (and others?) took with her writing from years ago was that she THOUGHT she had high knowledge aptitude, but did not.

i guess as long as someone is honest with themselves about their aptitude it's hard to be annoyed.

I should re-read her new post more carefully, but I was a little disappointed by it at first blush. In past I'd really liked her overarching theme, of being a novice who was avidly learning about bikes and bicycling. This post seems to be very negative about cycling, and overly distinguishing of it as a problematic recreational culture.

Maybe the public scrutiny attendant to starting a blog as a novice sharpened her feeling that cycling is unwelcoming. I remember feeling pretty humbled the first few times I raced crits, that realization that if I worked really really hard, I might make cat 3 pack filler after a few years. It didn't kill my interest in bikes in general, but it definitely blunted that first huge rush of excitement about bikes and cycling. "I like this and i'm great at it!" became "I love bikes and I love riding a lot", which is where I've been for most of the last twenty years. If I'd done that in public, if I'd blogged about the times I didn't understand how components worked (like that fucking bolt on teh front of an 8spd 105 lever that you must never undo, upon pain of having a spring launch across the room), the ensuing feedback might have driven me into collecting postage stamps instead.

I like her writing, and as there's a not bad chance that she's going to read this post, I'd encourage her to return to writing about bikes more often.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 13:47
TimArchyLime
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There's a weird dynamic of being competitive and being not competitive in her thoughts on riding. I imagine that's why she has a solid following. People see themselves going through the same dilemmas. They want to be able to ride like the people they see around them, but they can't or aren't willing (for any number of reasons) to take the actions that will get them there quickly.

What she writes about isn't my experience. I've been really critical of what she's said in the past. I thought she focused too much on mistakes and what she wasn't able to do instead of what she was able to do. But I suppose that is what helps some people progress and become better. When they are afraid to grab their bottle from the cage and drink while riding, they need to read a story by someone else who is going through the same thing. She's filling that niche. I only hope it's actually helping people become the type of rider they want to be.

I wouldn't encourage her to stick to writing about bikes since I think the blog was always intended to be about a lifestyle and not just bikes.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 15:30
iwillbe
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That's a good insight into what her writing may be doing for people, narrating their internal ambivalences and hesitations about riding bikes. I don't know much about her blogging career, just that a blog called Lovely Bicycle might be expected to focus on bikes. If she wants to do a knitting or lifestyle blog, cool.

All music is just the Eagles with different geometry.

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 15:44
Rentable Faxmachine
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SRAM announced their new DUB bottom bracket standard. It's like 30mm, only not. They claim lighter weight and improved durability. No more stepped spindles and 24/22mm bearings that you'd find on the GXP units.

Blog content: errbody talkin' 'bout them.

Tue, 01/16/2018 - 15:50

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