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Tail Hook Lengthener
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Someone in Portland can just swing by and see if they're selling them. Or call them up.

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Mon, 09/04/2017 - 10:10
eric_ssucks
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That's the guess. Might email vc about buying one just to find out.

Mon, 09/04/2017 - 11:51
deadforkinglast
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(Reply to #15003)

Sneaky Viking wrote:
Soma's doing a 27.5Plus frame they claim is long & slack, and doesn't have derpy derpouts. Boost etc.

wtf, better have internal routing ferda derper.

https://www.facebook.com/somafab/posts/1411424275602737

Looks like it's drilled for a derper, but the geo doesn't look long enough or slack enough to be called "long and slack" now that we all know what good mountain bikes ride like.

Tue, 09/05/2017 - 00:37
yonderboy
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(Reply to #15004)

deadforkinglast wrote:
Sneaky Viking wrote:
Soma's doing a 27.5Plus frame they claim is long & slack, and doesn't have derpy derpouts. Boost etc.

wtf, better have internal routing ferda derper.

https://www.facebook.com/somafab/posts/1411424275602737

Looks like it's drilled for a derper, but the geo doesn't look long enough or slack enough to be called "long and slack" now that we all know what good mountain bikes ride like.

73deg doesn't look nearly slack enough to take a 140 fork. Most of the 120 frames on the market are at the 69deg mark.

Tue, 09/05/2017 - 23:40
Todd
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So like...
Its heavy, and slow, and handles like a cross spencer.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 00:13
JUGE FREDD
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they're not that fucking stupid

but the only part that's long or slack is the rear triangle

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
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Wed, 09/06/2017 - 00:41
Face
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Head tube length is pretty dumb.

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Wed, 09/06/2017 - 06:16
Viggen
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The use of mechanical discs on that type of spencer offends me smiley

Whippin Skidz wrote:
This is tarck, there is a complicated solution to everything and we will endlessly discuss until an agreed upon solution has been tabled. This is out of your hands now.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 08:42
Sneaky Viking
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In M, L and XL, angles are same as Specialized Fuse, with longer ETT/reach, shorter HT, less BB drop.

I'm totally okay with that, as a steel frame only option.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 09:22
drwelby
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I was just going to say almost the same thing - I demo'ed a 6Fatty last year and keep the stack/reach numbers in my notes. The Valkilmer isn't that far from it. Seems progressive enough to work with modern builds. Nobody who really wants to shred is going to give it any notice in the first place anyway. So make it kind of cool, with some concessions for the mug-danglers.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 09:39
yonderboy
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(Reply to #15011)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
they're not that fucking stupid

Yeah, I'll cop to reading the chart wrong.

I probably won't ever see one built up, so I'll reserve my judgement on long and slack.

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 11:38
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #15012)

Blakey wrote:

Looks like they got the review spencer to BQ just in time

Hilarious!

Wed, 09/06/2017 - 13:49
iwillbe
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So I'm not at all in the spencer industry, and am thus not privy to b2b marketing, dealer camps, and all that stuff. I'd love to hear from people who are though, about the weird tone of Ebike articles like this one:
http://dirtragmag.com/shimano-goes-electric-first-ride-on-the-e8000-steps-e-spencer-drivetrain/

It has the same weird passive aggressive, "deal with the motor, you snobby elitist" tone that almost every article, across about a decade and dozens of publications has had. Is this just the line that the ebike industry feeds people? If so, why?

Also, I'm not al all happy about the idea of mopeds getting snuck into backcountry this way.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 14:37
NOVELTYNAME
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Ebikes on trails is bullshit

How's that for editorial

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 15:40
Lowrey'sOrgan
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I didn't stop reading at "E-assist mountain spencer"
but I did stop reading at "MORB"

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 15:44
kmcdon
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Quote:
A spencer with a motor is a motor spencer. Motorcycles are fun. Motorcycles aren't mountain bikes.

Quote:
That's like saying a scooter is a motorcycle. Or that a gravel spencer is a mountain spencer.
It's pretty obvious you've never ridden a MORB. I wouldn't call a MORB a mountain spencer either, but it sure as hell isn't a motorcycle. It isn't a moped or a scooter either.

I hate this.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 15:51
eric_ssucks
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I think that people who ride bikes in the mountains pretty much fucking hate e-mtbs because they hate dirtbikers and emtbs are dirtbikes. Any article about it needs to either state that emtbs are the wooooooorst ever or be passive aggressive against that viewpoint. Also most writers for spencer publications are bad, and spencer magazines are bad.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 15:52
iwillbe
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So basically the spencer industry is trying to pivot to being the "bicycles and also electronic motorbike" industry, and they're using this shittily hectoring tone to try to police bicyclists' feelings about that?

It's a pretty wild incentive structure, really. You have to sell something that most of your existing client base actively dislikes and probably isn't going to buy, so that a different client base can come along and start buying the larger, more expensive thing.

I mean, is that it? Am I missing something here? If this were an adaptive cycling story, I'd be pretty cool with it, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:02
jeffro
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Also, e-MTBs are motorbikes because they have motors. But by this definition motorcycles are NOT motorbikes because they have engines, not motors. So, if current signage says that motorized vehicles are prohibited, then motorcycles, with engines, have been allowed all this time and e-MTBs are not. I'm only half-kidding here. "Mechanized" would have caught it all (including bicycles, I guess), but that's not what the signs say, at least not in my region.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:04
iwillbe
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(Reply to #15020)

eric_ssucks wrote:
Also most writers for spencer publications are bad, and spencer magazines are bad.

I'm doubly bummed by this specific article because it's in Dirt Rag, which I've really enjoyed over the years, despite not even being interested in mtbs. They publish good long reviews of bikes, they have decent editorials, which makes this ebike article all the more of a turd in the punchbowl.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:05
iwillbe
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Okay so final thought on this:
If electronic offroad mopeds were restricted to offseason ski resort mtb parks, then sure, fine, bring your aged grandpa out with you for a day of riding on closed trails on private property.
If you want to tangle with MX dudebros, then go use their trails.
If you want to bobble along city streets on the thing, fine, whatever, just stay off the multiuse paths.

I'm not categorically opposed to smaller, more environmentally efficient motorbikes, I just don't want them taking over the tiny bits of space that bicyclists have managed to carve out for themselves in a country already completely dominated by motor vehicles.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:21
emor
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I am 100% in favor of e-bikes used in urban settings, including on multi-use paths. I think it is the only way we will see anything resembling widespread adoption of bicycling as transportation in America. We just have to tolerate the fuckwits riding them, only now they're on 80 pound electric spencer going 30mph, not a 4,000 pound car going 55mph.

But I don't even MTB and hate the idea of them on MTB trails. People like my dad already ahte MTBs, do we need to give them more reasons? I feel like the most likely outcome is even more aggressive trail closures.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:24
jeffro
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I DO like how quiet e-bikes are. I rode yesterday with a couple of dudes who use e-assist offroad hand cycles (trikes) because of physical injuries. Those things are certified badass and whisper quiet.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:39
emor
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depends on the motor type. my fambike has a geared motor and that fucker makes a racket

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:43
Rentable Faxmachine
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The Bafang motor on the Karmic e-spencer I'm currently riding is quieter than the Bosch CX on another spencer I'm borrowing.

Since both of the aforementioned bikes are rated as pedal-assist/class-1 (20mph max assist), they're legal on the BoCo spencer paths.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 16:55
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #15026)

eric_ssucks wrote:
I think that people who ride bikes in the mountains pretty much fucking hate e-mtbs because they hate dirtbikers and emtbs are dirtbikes. Any article about it needs to either state that emtbs are the wooooooorst ever or be passive aggressive against that viewpoint. Also most writers for spencer publications are bad, and spencer magazines are bad.

I ride bikes waaay the fuck up in the mountains here and LOVE the dirtbikers

None of our high alpine mixed-use trails would continue to exist without them, they're the only maintainers. l've been up in the spring after the melt but before they'd cleared the upper stretches and was lucky to break 1mph average descending with all the deadfall. Way up along the Entiat Ridge ten miles from the deepest road you'll find literally *thousands* of concrete garden pavers they hauled in to control erosion.

They're all cool middle-aged dads with the good sense not to own horses, out there being safe and using hand signals.

It's a struggle, but you cut out his tongue, and his last words are "atmo atmo Atmo ATMO ATMOOOOOGORIHGGHRSHGGRLMGGMMGMgrrglegurglegrr....."
– akasnowmaaan

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 17:50
emor
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We can all agree the fewer horse people out there, the better, at least.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 18:21
Todd
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I'm with Fred, never met a bad Moto bro that rode in the woods (freeride/trackracing/dunes n' shit is another story).
I'm curious about who the market for mechanized mountain bikes is... any idea?
I get the whole "self shuttle" thing, but also, most of the dudes who are going to shuttle a bunch would also rather be able to huck it on a 25lb thing.
I don't think they would damage trails much more than regular MTBs, but I have the bias of thinking that folks to dont put out effort to get into the woods usually treat the woods like shit (evidence being that most easily accessed trails and campsites are kind of shitty (at least in AZ)).

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 19:07
emor
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Though I was taught to hate them, I do agree that every motobro I've chatted with on the forest roads of the cascades has been a solid, friendly guy.

My experience riding through tahuya state forest, however, was terrifying. Like most outdoor activities, the old adage is true: the harder to get there, the better the person. I think I made that up hiking in the sierras in the late 90s when we chanced upon a group of cute girls deep in the wilderness and I really, really wanted them to like me.

"my main life goal is to have a dirtbag camper van with a bunch of bikes on it, go camping every vacation forever" -- me

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 23:54
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #15030)

emor wrote:
We can all agree the fewer horse people out there, the better.

Mon, 09/11/2017 - 23:59
liquify
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Only one shitty interaction with some motos on first weekend they could ride in the state forest. Of course this was during a stage race and they were coming up what we were going down. They didn't yield to not non-motorized traffic.

I haven't taken our shop demo specialized mtb out yet. I just know they are heavy, so upper body workout is gonna happen, and climbing would be faster. But, it isn't going to damage the trails except from tipping over.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 07:50
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I've been buzzed once or twice by motobros, but generally my interactions with the ones I meet in the deep Cascades have ranged between neutral to very favorable. They're almost universally by-the-book types, who are eager to clear trail while following the law, and if you are lost, they always know where you are and how to get out.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 08:25
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I've been buzzed once or twice by motobros, but generally my interactions with the ones I meet in the deep Cascades have ranged between neutral to very favorable. They're almost universally by-the-book types, who are eager to clear trail while following the law, and if you are lost, they always know where you are and how to get out.

The way I see it though, that's a huge distraction, and talking about it is a red herring. Literally no one thinks that people shouldn't be allowed to ride an electric spencer where motorized bikes have previously been allowed. It's when they turn off the gravel road onto a trail which had previously only been inaccessible to motorized vehicles that it becomes a problem.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 08:42
iwillbe
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(Reply to #15034)

Wintage Townie wrote:
The way I see it though, that's a huge distraction, and talking about it is a red herring. Literally no one thinks that people shouldn't be allowed to ride an electric spencer where motorized bikes have previously been allowed. It's when they turn off the gravel road onto a trail which had previously only been inaccessible to motorized vehicles that it becomes a problem.

Emtbs also muddy the water for access rules. I barely ever leave pavement because dirt is totally grody, but I don't want to get all trail access shut down because of a bunch of yahoos who can't handle the awesome power of an mtb with a toaster motor on it.

It's just a total slippery slope: are park rangers going to be hanging around, checking motor power output, requiring paperwork confirming that x% of the ride is muscle powered?

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 09:47
Mr. Pubes
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(Reply to #15035)

eric_ssucks wrote:
emor wrote:
We can all agree the fewer horse people out there, the better.

god dammit i hate horse people.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 09:57
aek
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I think I've said it before about e-bikes, but to me, it always feels like the idiots that ride those things have never earned their speed and haven't developed the skill that comes with becoming strong enough to cruise at 30kph.

I watched an elderly woman riding one recently that just took off towards a turn, didn't look and pulled out right in front of a bus. It just missed her and the draft pulled her into the back end, which she bumped and fell over ...away from the bus. I have to think that if she hadn't come at the turn full speed, she'd have had time to see that sorta thing coming. Who doesn't see a bus, though?

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 10:50
kmcdon
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I'm less worried about the off the peg e-bikes, and more worried about the 3000kw monstrosities that can go 90mph that people build themselves.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 11:17
ShartAttack
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(Reply to #15038)

kmcdon wrote:
I'm less worried about the off the peg e-bikes, and more worried about the 3000kw monstrosities that can go 90mph that people build themselves.

There was some dude we found a couple years ago that was on every forum imaginable bragging about this E-spencer he built that technically had spencer pedals, but it topped out around 60mph I believe and he used it to cruise spencer trails on his way to work at 35mph

TC on mornings like this where I'm feeling beat, a little pedal assist sounds nice. But those bikes are all $$$ and I figure are hot garbage to ride if you aren't using the motor. Seems more practical to just shift into the granny gears and take it easy.

Former RAGBRAI enthusiast

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 11:44
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #15039)

ShartAttack wrote:
kmcdon wrote:
I'm less worried about the off the peg e-bikes, and more worried about the 3000kw monstrosities that can go 90mph that people build themselves.

There was some dude we found a couple years ago that was on every forum imaginable bragging about this E-spencer he built that technically had spencer pedals, but it topped out around 60mph I believe and he used it to cruise spencer trails on his way to work at 35mph

TC on mornings like this where I'm feeling beat, a little pedal assist sounds nice. But those bikes are all $$$ and I figure are hot garbage to ride if you aren't using the motor. Seems more practical to just shift into the granny gears and take it easy.

Truth. A 50+ pound spencer that's way overgeared is not fun at all when the motor isn't engaged. A 3-bong ebike rides nowhere near as nice as a 3-bong Tarck-Approved spencer.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 11:48
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #15040)

Mr. Pubes wrote:
eric_ssucks wrote:
emor wrote:
We can all agree the fewer horse people out there, the better.

god dammit i hate horse people.

I always knew about the horsepeople hate, but never lived it until recently. Fuck horses.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 11:58
jeffro
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(Reply to #15041)

Whippin Skidz wrote:
Mr. Pubes wrote:
eric_ssucks wrote:
emor wrote:
We can all agree the fewer horse people out there, the better.

god dammit i hate horse people.

I always knew about the horsepeople hate, but never lived it until recently. Fuck horses.

Weighs the better part of a ton, has shovels for feet, is actively crapping on trail -- owner lectures me from atop about how my spencer is ruining everything.

Yeah, horse people, man.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 12:48
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #15042)

jeffro wrote:
Whippin Skidz wrote:
Mr. Pubes wrote:
eric_ssucks wrote:
emor wrote:
We can all agree the fewer horse people out there, the better.

god dammit i hate horse people.

I always knew about the horsepeople hate, but never lived it until recently. Fuck horses.

Weighs the better part of a ton, has shovels for feet, is actively crapping on trail -- owner lectures me from atop about how my spencer is ruining everything.

Yeah, horse people, man.

Let's also note that they are basically giant rabbits that will spook at anything.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:31
cheese
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I have nothing against people who ride horses in backcountry situations or dedicated horse trails, but fail to comprehend how it's OK to let your horse poop on a gravel trail that's also used by pedestrians and cyclists, where dog owners are generally good about bagging and carrying out dog poop.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 13:34
kmcdon
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never forget

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 14:13
Goddamnit Gunther
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Fuck you I don't want to cater to your stupid dangerous animal

Endpoint wrote:
turdly buttways

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 14:25
iwillbe
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"trail safety is everybody's business" F U horse riders, I'm gonna put on a mountain lion costume and blast around blind corners on my Rockhopper

Oh god we've just all enacted the Godwin's law subtype for spencer forums: all land use conversations turn in to horse griping

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 14:37
fixed
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horse people have told me that the horse poop on the trails doesn't matter because they only eat plant matter thus their poop is not dangerous and breaks down quickly
i don't care, i don't want it on the trails
the park near my house has a small horse paddock and they do carriage/sleigh rides out of there. they are perfectly happy to do the rides even if the ground is ultra soggy after a recent rain or snow, and they tear the grass all up with these 2-inch deep ruts
HOW IS THIS OK

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:17
Shortpants
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I've lived and worked on a horse farm. I fucking love horses. I don't mind the poop on the trails, I try to ride slowly when passing a paddock or stable and give wide berths to those on the trail.

But straight up fuck horse riders who go out on wet trails and dig deep holes with their 1-ton animal clodding around in metal shoes. It's my biggest complaint. Horses straight fuck up trails and nobody cares.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:34
fixed
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i also love horses. it is definitely the horse PEOPLE that i am complaining about.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 15:37
cousinmosquito
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(Reply to #15050)

Shortpants wrote:
I've lived and worked on a horse farm. I fucking love horses. I don't mind the poop on the trails, I try to ride slowly when passing a paddock or stable and give wide berths to those on the trail.

But straight up fuck horse riders who go out on wet trails and dig deep holes with their 1-ton animal clodding around in metal shoes. It's my biggest complaint. Horses straight fuck up trails and nobody cares.

A buddy has been working for quite a while on developing some local trails, on council land. Its been very very wet this year, and the idiot farmer who was cross leasing the area let his stock in to graze at the wrong time and completely munted the trail. It's now obliterated by 20 cm deep pock marks caused by some seriously heavy cattle beasts. As for horses, I grew up with them, I treat them with respect because I know what can happen if they are spooked. We don't get that much conflict here with riders and horses but I think most riders have come across them at some time and don't tend to be jack asses around them.

Tue, 09/12/2017 - 16:06

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