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A+ WRA

"Folks want options!"

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:29
Larry Winget
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aerobear wrote:
tjayk wrote:
cookietruck wrote:
whoa. wth.
ur doin it backwards bro

http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2011/05/product_review_zambale_7_litre_1.php

guess who commented on this?

The zimbale website is full of some great engrish.

http://zimbale.com/front/php/search/search.php

Rixen Kaul

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:33
Altoid
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I am sick and tired of dealers who do not supply my products amicably. From now on I will only buy products from bicycle riding "Marias."

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:36
pixieshatintruck
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fuck that the only spencer bags i will use from now on are ones i fashion myself from roadkill

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:11
GrandmaJordan
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To bring up the topic from last week...

I think I'm Lovelybicycle's target audience. I'm a woman, and I'm (more or less) new to cycling as an adult. I've been looking for blogs that will be informative and relatable. Sadly, LB doesn't do it for me. I took a look at the blog, and clicked on the "Fixed Gear As Skill Builder" entry, which sounded up my alley. However, I stopped reading about 5 sentences in, right after this:

Quote:
Riding a fixed gear roadbike is an experience that fills me with a special kind of enjoyment - I think because it combines the sensations of walking and flying (fly-walking?).

Seriously? Just because I am a woman and still new at cycling doesn't mean you have to write for me as if I was recently lobotomized! Maybe some people enjoy this kind of thing, but I cannot deal. Fucking yikes.

Budweiser is doing amazing things with limes these days. - Coleman Light with Lime

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:14
pixieshatintruck
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lulz
MISO GYNY

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:22
Sneaky Viking
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Altoid wrote:
She'll just show us up by getting involved in randonneuring, only to discover to her surprise that despite the pleasant lilt of the word it is less about gently twirling down to a local inn to fill a basket with warm bread than about middle aged hard men on crabon bikes vomiting and bragging about not being able to open doors.

tbh this has been mostly my reaction to randonneuring too.
I mean the bikes are pretty, and the luggage is pretty, but fuck riding 600k in the rain over 2 days on 2 1/2 hours of sleep. my uncle does ultramarathons; that shit is masochistic craziness. he has a fucking tackle box on wheels full of balms for when your nipples fall off and shit.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 18:49
biek

Quote:
Riding a fixed gear roadbike is an experience that fills me with a special kind of enjoyment - I think because it combines the sensations of walking and flying (fly-walking?).

sounds like she found the zen.

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 17:56
dougtruck
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Sneaky Viking wrote:
he has a fucking tackle box on wheels full of balms for when your nipples fall off and shit

sigged

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 18:36
ryanoceros
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I've been slowly catching up with this riveting discussion from the prior thread and have finally come to the end. Dayum! Some incredibly stupid shit said and some extremely funny shit said (haven't laughed at Tarck like that since agility in the mountains.)

Eric Estlund wrote:

TBH, I thought this was pretty funny to see after the over analyzing comments. Tarck is about over analyzing shit.

I'm encouraged to see more people that aren't like me getting into cycling. Part of me wonders if our need to force reality onto her head in the clouds perspective is the wrong way to go. It is the same hazing tribal attitude of most in/out group dynamics.

Other than the obvious need for a buddy to walk with into something new instead of dealing with the potential judgment of someone who knows better than you, there is another aspect of the whole 'beginners seeking beginners' dynamic that we may be missing. The reality of cycling is that it will show many people how physically hard real life is when they may have lived a life sheltered from this fact. It may be fun, exhilarating, liberating, zen, enlightening, and all the other shit we've each discovered along the way. But it can also suck. It can make you question what fuck you're doing. It will make your inner coward start speaking in it's most silky tongue telling you that pain is optional afterall. Perhaps the head in the clouds perspective is useful ignorance for those diving so gung ho into a very complex and challenging activity and subculture.

One last thing. There has been some sexism along the way, but that has not been the main theme, imo. Classism plays a larger role. Most of what we find so fucking funny about her writing, the completely unnecessary use of italics, the sappy sentimentality, and all the rest of it is probably more common for those who have the luxury of choosing to ride a spencer instead of having it be the only option.

My ten cents (inflation, bro). I'm sure most of you know this, though.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 21:31
TimArchyLime
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Did you happen to see what happened when I suggested that the choice to commute by spencer was a privilege that is enjoyed by relatively few people? She rejected the idea and the commenters flipped the fuck out.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:07
Rentable Faxmachine
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TimLOKOed wrote:
Did you happen to see what happened when I suggested that the choice to commute by spencer was a privilege that is enjoyed by relatively few people? She rejected the idea and the commenters flipped the fuck out.

Oh man, that I gotta see.

Link?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:12
Russell
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was lulz. so much white knighting goin on over there

MoonCat wrote:
Americas turban

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:22
mailer
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tc: i only read this thread because i expected it to turn into the next devon scandal

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:24
ryanoceros
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Reasonable Facsimile wrote:
TimLOKOed wrote:
Did you happen to see what happened when I suggested that the choice to commute by spencer was a privilege that is enjoyed by relatively few people? She rejected the idea and the commenters flipped the fuck out.

Oh man, that I gotta see.

Link?

I saw it mentioned on here, but if you can provide a link, much appreciated. If it's back in a tarck thread, I'll go dig it up if you don't want to look for me.

Oh, to be ignorant of one's position of privilege and sense of entitlement.

TC: I would say I was mostly ignorant of all things cycling for the first five or six years of riding. Oddly enough, unlike many other things I get intensely into in life, at my long term detriment, I purposely remained ignorant and needlessly re-invented the wheel over and over again during that time. Jacked up shit on my bikes and ruined parts that if I'd known better or taken the time to get the advice of someone who did, would have spent way less money and enjoyed my riding so much more. Probably be even stronger, too. Mostly I was ignorant of resources and I didn't have a lot of money during most of the Bush years. I learned a lot by being willing to do it the wrong way and learn from my stupid mistakes, though. And I didn't try to pretend I knew more than I did.

Does that make me sexist, too?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:19
biek

riding a bike

#firstworldproblems

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:30
rauce
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The comment he is referring too is in the latter half of the comments on this post: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/05/on-beginners-helping-beginners-and.html

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:40
Rentable Faxmachine
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Some good points in there, but a lot of fawning, too.

I, personally, over-analyze everything, but that's been my job for 25+ years. It's taken me a hell of a long time to get to the point where I don't require perfection to be happy or have fun.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:59
obnoxious child

I think I'm lovely bikes target audience. Person who is scared of the 21 century

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 03:06
TimArchyLime
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frosty mongrel wrote:
The comment he is referring too is in the latter half of the comments on this post: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/05/on-beginners-helping-beginners-and.html

My first statement on the subject was made on May 20th at 4:45. I was resopnding to a comment by Garth at 11:59 of the same day. A little more than halfway down.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 05:42
ryanoceros
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TimLOKOed wrote:
frosty mongrel wrote:
The comment he is referring too is in the latter half of the comments on this post: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/05/on-beginners-helping-beginners-and.html

My first statement on the subject was made on May 20th at 4:45. I was resopnding to a comment by Garth at 11:59 of the same day. A little more than halfway down.

Everyone is right on that thread. TimLOKOed is just more so. smiley

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:17
mr. fop
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@ ryan. i don't get what you're saying at all. a lot of what you're saying seems based on assumption. where's the sexism and classism? and i don't get wwhat you mean about people not like you getting into cycling and cycling as a choice vs. the only option. are you talking about non-hipsters? do you have a few duis? only monied peope type in italics? and what does it matter?

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:18
cookietruck
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beginers seeking beginners
well u kno
me and dook were talking bout this the other day when talkin about two semi newbs goin on a ride
and pretty much bein ready to quit at 7 miles
and ps we been on rides with these two and some other newbs and we will go at painfully slow pace and pull these dudes along
u kno
coz we so fast and all

well when ur newbz u wanna ride with the same skill level
some do
but we lol'd at when we talked about how we first started riding
and we felt fire in our quads after 1.5 miles of what we thought was a crazy fast pace
lulz
not to mention the 52/16 gears with no brakz and no foot retention on my sweet fixie
and dook riding 50/14
and me sayin well that gear ratio don't seem too bad coz i ride 52/14 and it's perfect
lulz
so no brakz
with those gearz and you can pretty much only get a real cadence up downhill
and by then ur goin about 35mph
with no brakz
lucky we ain't dead
musta been that zen agility we had

hey check my sweet fixie bro

lulz
ps i ain't never posted that pic here
we were all newbz at one point
cept doofo coz he never even owned bikez

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:38
aek
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Fucking LOL.

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 10:52
ryanoceros
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The were a few comments back in this thread that were said jokingly that were pretty ignorant as far as sexism is concerned. Mostly Monocle's bullshit. Using brifters and such. As I said, not the dominant part of the discussion.

This just screams classism to me:

TimLOKOed wrote:
Did you happen to see what happened when I suggested that the choice to commute by spencer was a privilege that is enjoyed by relatively few people? She rejected the idea and the commenters flipped the fuck out.

Their obliviousness to their own position of relative privilege speaks volumes.

The whole argument seems to revolve around people wasting their money on shit they don't need instead of focusing on practical solutions and the accumulated wisdom of those who have the experience to know better. This distills down to a class argument to me. Upper middle class problems vs. working class problems. 'Some shop rat can't speak to me that way! I have a right to be treated with respect you know!'

As the economy goes to shit, these barriers will break down. I think we're seeing it already. Maybe the easy communication of the internet will allow us to come to a better understanding quicker as we all transition into a new era.

As for choice vs. only option: I am talking about non-hipsters. I don't have any duis, but there did come a time where I couldn't afford to register, insure, and put gas in my car and still eat. I rode the fuck out of my hybrid for years before I could afford something better. After I was finally able to find a decent job again and could afford to buy a car, it didn't make sense to me anymore. The lack of the expense of a car + decent stable job has meant that I've lived what I'd consider a pretty privileged existence. It sure isn't at the income level of Lovely Bicycle, though. Maybe I should blog.

The fact I've lived well into my 30s without any children, unplanned or planned, also gives me an economic advantage. I think my income level is well below the average. But, I live more and more comfortably all the time.

Those who have the option to buy an SUV and drive all over and justify paving the planet but instead decide to get into cycle commuting is pretty awesome. Even if they are ignorant of so many other things. Or those who belong to the predominant religion in this state. The car/sprawl culture and the LDS church go hand in hand. You can't have one to five wives and 20 children without a Suburban. Still very happy to see more LDS folk out riding their bikes, too. Even if they tend to ride like idiots and prime all the motorists with bad examples of what riding in traffic is about. Just like their rebelling hipster kids.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:07
Rentable Faxmachine
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doofo wrote:
Reasonable Facsimile wrote:
Some good points in there, but a lot of fawning, too.

I, personally, over-analyze everything, but that's been my job for 25+ years. It's taken me a hell of a long time to get to the point where I don't require perfection to be happy or have fun.

whats ur job
?

I test computer hardware/software, but recently my focus has been on developing process and procedure for the testing. I also generate a lot of statistics/graphs/charts/etc on the testing being performed. It's a regular laugh riot, I tell ya.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:18
anomaly

jordanpattern wrote:
To bring up the topic from last week...

I think I'm Lovelybicycle's target audience. I'm a woman, and I'm (more or less) new to cycling as an adult. I've been looking for blogs that will be informative and relatable. Sadly, LB doesn't do it for me. I took a look at the blog, and clicked on the "Fixed Gear As Skill Builder" entry, which sounded up my alley. However, I stopped reading about 5 sentences in, right after this:

Quote:
Riding a fixed gear roadbike is an experience that fills me with a special kind of enjoyment - I think because it combines the sensations of walking and flying (fly-walking?).

Seriously? Just because I am a woman and still new at cycling doesn't mean you have to write for me as if I was recently lobotomized! Maybe some people enjoy this kind of thing, but I cannot deal. Fucking yikes.

Jordan,
The reason you don't get it is because you are sexist as shit. You've embraced the male dominated world while forsaking your femininity.

Kind regards,
NS

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 11:56
TimArchyLime
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Also, you're not an idiot.

Also, you can't be the target audience because you're able to survive posting on Tarck without completely bursting into vintage raleigh 3spd step-though flames.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 12:00
GrandmaJordan
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Mr. Bear wrote:
jordanpattern wrote:
To bring up the topic from last week...

I think I'm Lovelybicycle's target audience. I'm a woman, and I'm (more or less) new to cycling as an adult. I've been looking for blogs that will be informative and relatable. Sadly, LB doesn't do it for me. I took a look at the blog, and clicked on the "Fixed Gear As Skill Builder" entry, which sounded up my alley. However, I stopped reading about 5 sentences in, right after this:

Quote:
Riding a fixed gear roadbike is an experience that fills me with a special kind of enjoyment - I think because it combines the sensations of walking and flying (fly-walking?).

Seriously? Just because I am a woman and still new at cycling doesn't mean you have to write for me as if I was recently lobotomized! Maybe some people enjoy this kind of thing, but I cannot deal. Fucking yikes.

Jordan,
The reason you don't get it is because you are sexist as shit. You've embraced the male dominated world while forsaking your femininity.

Kind regards,
NS

OH! Derp.

Budweiser is doing amazing things with limes these days. - Coleman Light with Lime

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:13
ryanoceros
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TimLOKOed wrote:
you're able to survive posting on Tarck without completely bursting into vintage raleigh 3spd step-though flames.

HAHAHAHA smiley

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:11
TimArchyLime
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Come at me bro. I was on there for 5 years and only made like 500 posts. And i didn't have a blog.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 16:08
anomaly

TC: When doofo posted that I thought about going back to delete all my threads on dickforums.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 21:19
anomaly

Most jackass one is me asking for suggestions on how to magic gear my Jamis Aurora conversion. I ended up running it SS with one brake smiley

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 21:28
akasnowmaaan
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I am so glad I had my dumbest phases before the internet, when cameras and film were expensive, and people forgot stuff.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 21:35
Larry Winget
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akasnowmaaan wrote:
I am so glad I had my dumbest phases before the internet, when cameras and film were expensive, and people forgot stuff.

Damn straight.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 23:09
ryker

Monocle wrote:
I think I'm lovely bikes target audience. Person who is scared of the 21 century

21st century gender relations and everything.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 00:36
EJ
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tarckeemoon wrote:
akasnowmaaan wrote:
I am so glad I had my dumbest phases before the internet, when cameras and film were expensive, and people forgot stuff.

Damn straight.

Yupper

ckd wrote:
Hey Josh, WTF is up with your signature?

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 10:19
aek
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*bows head in shame*

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 10:30
biek

I converted a Jamis Aurora cyclocross the other day using some parts I had laying around, and it went pretty piss poor. I was hoping that 40/16 would be a magic gear, given that is what I had on hand and it has vertical dropouts, but I didn't have such luck. The chain can be knocked off by tilting the spencer over rapidly. I believe a half-link will work, so I am going to give that a shot. If that doesn't work going up a tooth in the front should put it where it needs to be, then once the chain stretches I would go to a 17 in the rear. In addition the 175 crank arms + toe clips give quite a bit of overlap for the front wheel. It's a shame, the spencer rides like a dream otherwise. I might put the Sora group back on the Jamis and sell it, and put the SS stuff on a Pista frame that is too big for me and sell that, then pick up a group buy Iro frame and build it up. Decisions decisions...

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 11:54
GrandmaJordan
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akasnowmaaan wrote:
I am so glad I had my dumbest phases before the internet, when cameras and film were expensive, and people forgot stuff.

But does it have to be embarrassing? It seems like the people who are most embarrassed of their past actions are the ones who acted like cocky jackasses, thinking they knew everything when they really knew almost nothing. I don't know a lot about bikes, but I doubt I'll be embarrassed by my posts here and other places in 5 years when I (hopefully) know more. I guess that could be because I haven't started a blog to showcase and glorify my ignorance...

...but I guess I'm saying that lack of knowledge about something isn't inherently embarrassing (or shouldn't be) unless you act like a jackass.

All that said, what are some GOOD cycling blogs for beginners?

Budweiser is doing amazing things with limes these days. - Coleman Light with Lime

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:31
TimArchyLime
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Beginners don't need blogs. Do what the rest of us did, read Sheldon's site. Then read it again. Then get Leonard Zinn's repair manual and read that. Everything else can be learned by riding your spencer, fucking up, crashing, braking parts and then getting back on and riding some more.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 13:02
liquify
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Yeah, like most things, it is a matter of just getting out there and trying. I was pretty slow on my re-up to cycling. Bought a san jose ss cross spencer because i knew i could make it fixed when needed. Oddly enough, it came fixed coz they fucked up, so it was a bit of a learning curve. I just continued to read the forums to pick up info in things like the DQ thread, and did most of what kyle said. Reading sheldon and trying to fix the things on my own. I got to building up a mountain spencer on my own (save headset install and fork cutting) and that gave me some confidence. Next I built up IRO group buy but cut fork too short because I didn't understand difference of headtube size. I learned, and continued to ride.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 13:09
bexley
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Good point, Tim. I can't help but feel that Lovely Bicycle represents the post-Sheldon era.

I miss taking an old dude's wisdom from a plain html page. I think I'll pay the site a visit and find something I haven't read before.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 14:25
obnoxious child

Me and aek fucked shit up on a daily back then

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 14:44
jamey
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Mr. Bear wrote:
Most jackass one is me asking for suggestions on how to magic gear my Jamis Aurora conversion. I ended up running it SS with one brake smiley

mine was asking what the stepped down threading on my fixed hub was for. i knew about cogs and lockrings, but i had never seen a fixed hub in person before...so it just didn't click. smiley

haha: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/80508-help-with-wheel!?highlight=

truckdoug "never turn down free beer, dont stick your dick where you wouldnt put your face, and always ride shimano"

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 15:12
akasnowmaaan
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jordanpattern wrote:
akasnowmaaan wrote:
I am so glad I had my dumbest phases before the internet, when cameras and film were expensive, and people forgot stuff.

But does it have to be embarrassing? It seems like the people who are most embarrassed of their past actions are the ones who acted like cocky jackasses, thinking they knew everything when they really knew almost nothing.

I'm not talking just bikes, I mean in general. Believe me, I would have found a way to embarrass myself.

Here's an example. Even though I was an avid Sheldon reader and tried to be 'practical', when I got a huge bonus several years ago I built up a Tarck masterpiece of a conversion (polished deep Vs, white saddle and bar tape, red and white frame, polished Campy cranks, etc.) then got rid of it in a few months because I was so stressed to leave it locked up anywhere. It was totally out of character for me and was just a product of spencer lust from looking at cool pictures online. I learned my lesson quickly, but still, kinda jackass.

That was in my thirties. All I can do now is laugh. I was much more jackass in my teens and early twenties.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 16:02
TimArchyLime
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bexley wrote:
the post-Sheldon era.

Ban

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 18:14
cookietruck
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u dummies

u dirty up the true confession thread with the dumb shit about lvoely bikes

so we make this thread

and now this one its the true confession thread
but not stealth braggin
actual true confession of how we are dumbasses

lulz

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 19:34
GrandmaJordan
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akasnowmaaan wrote:
jordanpattern wrote:
akasnowmaaan wrote:
I am so glad I had my dumbest phases before the internet, when cameras and film were expensive, and people forgot stuff.

But does it have to be embarrassing? It seems like the people who are most embarrassed of their past actions are the ones who acted like cocky jackasses, thinking they knew everything when they really knew almost nothing.

I'm not talking just bikes, I mean in general. Believe me, I would have found a way to embarrass myself.

Here's an example. Even though I was an avid Sheldon reader and tried to be 'practical', when I got a huge bonus several years ago I built up a Tarck masterpiece of a conversion (polished deep Vs, white saddle and bar tape, red and white frame, polished Campy cranks, etc.) then got rid of it in a few months because I was so stressed to leave it locked up anywhere. It was totally out of character for me and was just a product of spencer lust from looking at cool pictures online. I learned my lesson quickly, but still, kinda jackass.

That was in my thirties. All I can do now is laugh. I was much more jackass in my teens and early twenties.

Ah, I misinterpreted your quoted post. I, too, am glad my most awkward phases are mostly undocumented, and I'm sort of glad I never had money during them. I'm also with everyone who says LovelyBicycle will probably look back at a lot of her posts and cringe later on, which is probably pretty normal for every blogger ever.

Budweiser is doing amazing things with limes these days. - Coleman Light with Lime

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 19:59
akasnowmaaan
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cookietruck wrote:
u dummies

u dirty up the true confession thread with the dumb shit about lvoely bikes

so we make this thread

and now this one its the true confession thread
but not stealth braggin
actual true confession of how we are dumbasses

lulz

I dunno about you, I was blogging about my bikes

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 20:01

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