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RJ
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Whiz in your chamois.

I do not get.

truckdoug wrote:
go fuck yourself, fun hating motherfucker

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 22:55
biek

you'd think a catheter would solve problems here

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 22:58
littletinyfish
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circuithero wrote:
this is very true. could be from anything. i just don't touch the seats.

At one point I realized I put my face on a saddle while I was trying to fix something with a front derailleur. I was admittedly in a dumb position to be doing it but then I realized where my face was resting. I jumped back, recollected myself, and walked around the bike to do the job proper.

Avoid pee face. Do it right.

this was a big deal a hundred years ago when everything sucked balls ---match avatar

Sun, 02/13/2011 - 23:34
tjayk
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ewww...

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 09:11
Rusty Piton
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littletinyfish wrote:
Avoid pee face. Do it right.

lollin

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:24
Tail Hook Lengthener
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bradencbc wrote:
I really pity the shops that have decided to build their business around these people. Yeah they spend lots of money... thats cool... but what about some freakin dignity.

It's not so bad. These people are seriously monied, or if they're not, their cards always go through. I'm happy to keep these people flush in their Zipp Zedtechs and Speedfills as long as they keep paying handsomely for it.

On Saturday, we turned a $45 cleat adjustment into a $990 overhaul. You'll just never get that kind of money out of roadies.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:48
Tail Hook Lengthener
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rabbi wrote:
amateurendurance wrote:
Triathlon bikes are made for speed and the positions on them can often times make it very difficult to ride slow and easy. And quite honestly this slow and easy will do more for you next year than any set of race wheels. Plus, for whatever reason, aero bars seem to add a little more spice to a ride than there really needs to be. Riding a road bike allows us to cruise, take in the sights, chat with our buddies and can, for triathletes, remove some of the “need for speed” “go fast or go home” attitude that often times accompanies their rides

right, because whenever i see a person on a tri bike, they're going so fast that i can pass them sitting down at 20mph. seriously, why do all tratheletes go slow and when you do pass them, they feel the need to get onto your wheel? till you decide to drop them.

This is actually pretty good advice, and he's basically right about Tri bikes (they're squirrely handling at low speeds). The more time a tridork spends on a road bike in a group ride, the better he or she will be able to handle the bike (both of them), and the more he will understand cycling etiquette.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:52
Elderbear
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tjayk wrote:
if cyclists can whip it out and pee to the side with bibs, then a triathlete should be able to... oh wait, nevermind. that would be really dangerous.

lulz. yeah, I don't think we need to get them doing anything more on the bike.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:54
crabbi
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bonechilling wrote:
rabbi wrote:
amateurendurance wrote:
Triathlon bikes are made for speed and the positions on them can often times make it very difficult to ride slow and easy. And quite honestly this slow and easy will do more for you next year than any set of race wheels. Plus, for whatever reason, aero bars seem to add a little more spice to a ride than there really needs to be. Riding a road bike allows us to cruise, take in the sights, chat with our buddies and can, for triathletes, remove some of the “need for speed” “go fast or go home” attitude that often times accompanies their rides

right, because whenever i see a person on a tri bike, they're going so fast that i can pass them sitting down at 20mph. seriously, why do all tratheletes go slow and when you do pass them, they feel the need to get onto your wheel? till you decide to drop them.

This is actually pretty good advice, and he's basically right about Tri bikes (they're squirrely handling at low speeds). The more time a tridork spends on a road bike in a group ride, the better he or she will be able to handle the bike (both of them), and the more he will understand cycling etiquette.

that i totally understand and agree with, but what i'm saying is that i never see anyone on a tri bike going fast.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
if you're here, you probably fucked up somewhere along the line.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:09
Jeremiah's Johnson
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^this. my buddy is about to do his first tri and I told him if he turns into a tri dork, I would constantly make fun of him. Also told him not to buy a tri bike, but a road bike

They'd be confused by all the rando and think we are a bunch of long ballers.

~coco

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:28
dmotobear
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turpencat wrote:
pee.

"Also, don’t worry about other people behind you. Once they realize what is happening, they will get out of the way very quickly."

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 13:57
Larry Winget
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bonechilling wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
I really pity the shops that have decided to build their business around these people. Yeah they spend lots of money... thats cool... but what about some freakin dignity.

It's not so bad. These people are seriously monied, or if they're not, their cards always go through. I'm happy to keep these people flush in their Zipp Zedtechs and Speedfills as long as they keep paying handsomely for it.

On Saturday, we turned a $45 cleat adjustment into a $990 overhaul. You'll just never get that kind of money out of roadies.

Between team discounts, shop hookups, PBK/Wiggle etc...and the usual used parts pipeline hardcore bike nerds hardly ever pay retail for anything.

Tridorks don't fall into this category.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 14:50
liquify
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Why don't they pee when swimming like everyone else does?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:38
NOVELTYNAME
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more difficult to steer out of the way, i guess.

"Folks want options!"

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:06
Elderbear
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dmotobear wrote:
"Also, don’t worry about other people behind you. Once they realize what is happening, they will get out of the way very quickly."

Yeah, I thought that was about the best statement in that whole article.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:14
Endpoint
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tarckeemoon wrote:
bonechilling wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
I really pity the shops that have decided to build their business around these people. Yeah they spend lots of money... thats cool... but what about some freakin dignity.

It's not so bad. These people are seriously monied, or if they're not, their cards always go through. I'm happy to keep these people flush in their Zipp Zedtechs and Speedfills as long as they keep paying handsomely for it.

On Saturday, we turned a $45 cleat adjustment into a $990 overhaul. You'll just never get that kind of money out of roadies.

Between team discounts, shop hookups, PBK/Wiggle etc...and the usual used parts pipeline hardcore bike nerds hardly ever pay retail for anything.

Tridorks don't fall into this category.

It's true and part of me is totally envious of the elite tri shop in town that keeps cranking out P2, 3s and 4s... but then the other part of me remembers how incredibly painful most of tri geeks are and I go back to selling caad10s, torkers, and niners.

Plus FUCK some internal cable routing. No bigger waste of shop time has ever been invented.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:46
wickedwagon
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i agree on the internal cabling. i have a steel roadie with internal cabling for the rear brake in the tt and even that's an asspain.

jordanpattern wrote:
BRING ME THE BINDERS OF WOMEN!

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:28
Tail Hook Lengthener
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bradencbc wrote:
Plus FUCK some internal cable routing. No bigger waste of shop time has ever been invented.

It's a terrible fad and I can't wait for it to disappear, but unfortunately it's only spreading to the point now where most of our high-end carbon road frames have some kind of internal cabling. Some companies are better at it than others. For example, Trek pretty much nailed it with the Speed Concept and the Madone - still huge wastes of time, but vastly easier to work on, and relatively friction-free (though I would appreciate it if they're stop spec'ing cheapass Jagwire cables). On the other hand, Guru's internal routing was so ill-conceived and poorly executed that my shop stopped selling them, as apparently did many others.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 11:38
klondikebear
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tc: i love me some internal cables

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:03
wickedwagon
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is there testing to prove that internal cable routing is more aero?

jordanpattern wrote:
BRING ME THE BINDERS OF WOMEN!

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:19
Tail Hook Lengthener
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From what I've always read, the difference is negligible if not totally undetectable.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:27
Larry Winget
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The real aero advantage comes from having bottle cages behind your ass.

The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:39
tjayk
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bonechilling wrote:
From what I've always read, the difference is negligible if not totally undetectable.

seriously. the human head is such an aerodynamic clusterfuck... forget about the cables.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:59
aerobear
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tarckeemoon wrote:
The real aero advantage comes from having bottle cages behind your ass.

just need some of those to insert anally

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 13:59
Shortpants
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I love this thread. I was at the swap meet in Maryland on sunday and my booth was almost all bmx and fixed gear stuff. Some doucher in a suit walked up and asked if we had clip on aero bars. When I chuckled a 'No' he looked at me like I was insane and was clearly wondering why we even bothered to have a booth even though there were maybe 2 booths are the entire swap that were tri specific.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 14:22
aek
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lolin at aerogiveashit sub 20mph.

doofo wrote:
tarck eats ur soul one lol at a time

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 16:00
JUGE FREDD
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klondikebear wrote:
tc: i love me some internal cables

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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 16:17
deadforkinglast
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bradencbc wrote:
Plus FUCK some internal cable routing. No bigger waste of shop time has ever been invented.

Holy christ. I hate when I see the shop fitters fitting a tri bike, because I know it's going to end with them adjusting the aero bars and needing the housing trimmed. And the Felt internal cable routing makes me want to die every time I see it. It's terrible and it starts with internal routing through the bars, which involves getting the brake cable and housing to make a 90 degree turn five inches after the lever. I always waste 20 or more minutes just fishing around in the bar with a spoke trying to snag the end of the housing and pull it through. By the time you've done both brakes and then dealt with the dumbass straight-into-the-top-tube routing (kind of like a cervelo) of three cables, you're looking at a 90-minute cable swap.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 16:53
Tail Hook Lengthener
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We had to change our pricing recently. Regular cables are still replaced for $10 per cable, but internal cables and housing are charged by-the-hour, at $75 per hour.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 17:08
Endpoint
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Rule number one of internal cables. NEVER remove the cables from the bar or frame without feeding some sort of retaining hose through both ends.

I like to use a piece of of the red plastic hose from a Sram Flack Jacket cable set. Chase it though the bar or frame using the old cable before removing it.

Saves a ton of time but I stand by my original statement 100%.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 17:12
Rusty Piton
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Might something like a wire fish be helpful in running cables internally?

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 17:23
Elderbear
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^What do bashguards have to do with internal cable routing!? Geez.

johnnyraja wrote:
This is the most pointless conversation ever had on a forum entirely devoted to pointless conversation.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 17:32
biek

bradencbc wrote:
Rule number one of internal cables. NEVER remove the cables from the bar or frame without feeding some sort of retaining hose through both ends.

this so hard.

pappaheugwang wrote:
u mad bro?

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 17:44
euclid
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Bailing wire is also really useful. It's quite flexible but also a little springy. Did the top tube of my paramount with it in about five minutes.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 18:05
Rusty Piton
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I'm glad my Oasis has an internal guide. I just stuck the housing in one end and it popped out the other.
I'd prepared myself for an hour of fishing with a spoke or something and was pleasantly surprised.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 09:48
Face
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bradencbc wrote:

Plus FUCK some internal cable routing. No bigger waste of shop time has ever been invented.

ever replace the der cables on a niner air 9 carbon?

step 1: remove cranks and bb

any time i have to replace one cable i tell them that im doing both of them so i dont have to deal with this shit again in a couple weeks.

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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 19:46
Endpoint
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Yeah... we have sold a few of those horrible bikes.

Air9 carbon is one of the few bikes that really benefits from Nokons. The cable stops on the head tube make for too sharp a bend with standard housing and definite friction point. Switched to Nokons here and carefully ran them inside the chainstay area as well. Made a big improvement in shifting and should last quite a bit longer.

The other really annoying thing about this frame... it SAYS it's BB30 (with the proper insert) but that shit aint BB30. The bearings are the same but actually sit wider apart than in a true BB30 frame. This is no big deal if you run one of the cranks with adjustable preload like FSA but if you so desire to use SISL cranks you have to source spacers and bearing shields from two other systems to get the spacing right and bearing tension correct.

I fucking that that bike so much.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:03
jr
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bradencbc wrote:
I fucking that that bike so much.

Any other reasons than the ones you just mentioned? I had been contemplating MAAAAAAAAYBE getting one eventually, so any info is appreciated.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:24
Endpoint
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Haha.. what more reasons do you need besides the fact that it's ill conceived "innovations" make one of the most basic and most frequent maintenance tasks a complete clusterfuck.

It's over priced too. $1800 for the frame. Throw a tapered head tube Reba on it and you're at almost $2400 already.

Cannondale Flash Carbon 29ers start at $3000 for a complete bike with better spec than you get for the $600 difference.

The alloy Flash 29er 1 is only $2000... $200 more than that Niner frame gets you a lighter frame, lighter and easy to service fork, and decent group.

My 2 year old Flash29 alloy with a carbon lefty, sisl cranks, and X-0 group is lighter than my friends Air9 carbon with full XX, XXReba and lighter wheels. Cost less too.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:33
jr
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But the Air 9 looks like a Stormtrooper!

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:41
Endpoint
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True... and the fork is one of the best designed things I have seen in a while. Their new bar is dope too. Still... high price and a short warranty? No thanks.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:47
jr
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So you would recommend the frok? My brother is considering one.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:49
Endpoint
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Yes... the fork is on point. Safe to say it's probably the best rigid fork on the market right now.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 20:51
Face
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bradencbc wrote:
Yes... the fork is on point. Safe to say it's probably the best rigid fork on the market right now.

yep!

and one more bad thing, the fucking bb! makes noise like a motherfucker no matter what you do. niner says to wrap it with teflon tape but that only lasts so long till theyre back asking why their $4k bike sounds like its snapping in half every time they pedal out of the saddle.

Mr. Pubes wrote:
i fear that you are so lost in your own asshole that you may never be found again. do you have a flare gun? send for help.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 22:18
series of good ...
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got damn ....

dat '9

so tonight i was going to buy some swrve trousers but they closed their door in my face ten minutes early. okay, now i'm online i guess:(

Cross track road it's all good. Cept Tarck. Tarck sucks.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 22:23
deadforkinglast
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bradencbc wrote:
Haha.. what more reasons do you need besides the fact that it's ill conceived "innovations" make one of the most basic and most frequent maintenance tasks a complete clusterfuck.

It's over priced too. $1800 for the frame. Throw a tapered head tube Reba on it and you're at almost $2400 already.

Cannondale Flash Carbon 29ers start at $3000 for a complete bike with better spec than you get for the $600 difference.

The alloy Flash 29er 1 is only $2000... $200 more than that Niner frame gets you a lighter frame, lighter and easy to service fork, and decent group.

My 2 year old Flash29 alloy with a carbon lefty, sisl cranks, and X-0 group is lighter than my friends Air9 carbon with full XX, XXReba and lighter wheels. Cost less too.

The Flash is awesome like DAAAAMMMNNN. I didn't even want to like it and I thought it was one of the best pure XC hardtails I've ever been on.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 04:44
akasnowmaaan
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Face wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
Yes... the fork is on point. Safe to say it's probably the best rigid fork on the market right now.

yep!

and one more bad thing, the fucking bb! makes noise like a motherfucker no matter what you do. niner says to wrap it with teflon tape but that only lasts so long till theyre back asking why their $4k bike sounds like its snapping in half every time they pedal out of the saddle.

Niner has problems with all of their eccentric BBs for some reason. I love them as a company (the RIP9 is the fucking bomb and the way they handled the Jet9 recall made me a fan) but they have 'buggier' bikes than the big faceless companies.

Should have said it was just a cross check with different geometry. - Todd

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 12:23
jr
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akasnowmaaan wrote:
Face wrote:
bradencbc wrote:
Yes... the fork is on point. Safe to say it's probably the best rigid fork on the market right now.

yep!

and one more bad thing, the fucking bb! makes noise like a motherfucker no matter what you do. niner says to wrap it with teflon tape but that only lasts so long till theyre back asking why their $4k bike sounds like its snapping in half every time they pedal out of the saddle.

Niner has problems with all of their eccentric BBs for some reason. I love them as a company (the RIP9 is the fucking bomb and the way they handled the Jet9 recall made me a fan) but they have 'buggier' bikes than the big faceless companies.

I posted somewhere else about my buddy's sir 9 with an ebb that would slip constantly, even after it was sent back to the factory and "fixed." They eventually gave him a new frame when they redesigned it.

miguelaron wrote:
obese and unamerican
is your name Fat Albert Queda by any chance?

euclid wrote:
If you never open packages or slice fruit, is life really worth living?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 15:35
Endpoint
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akasnowmaaan wrote:
I love them as a company (the RIP9 is the fucking bomb and the way they handled the Jet9 recall made me a fan) but they have 'buggier' bikes than the big faceless companies.

The thing about faceless companies is weird to me... The 4 primary brands I deal with are Cannondale, Redline/Torker, Rocky Mountain, and Niner. With the exception of Redline I have an outside rep that I see all the time. Cannondale in particular encourages their reps to deal with their accounts on a very personal level. Our rep has been instrumental in arranging team sponsorship for us as well as several other local teams. He comes down all the time to ride the trails and is always up for talking to a customer when he's hanging in the shop. Same goes for Rocky Mountain. Our Niner rep is great too but I would hardly say that Niner somehow has a more personal connection with our staff or our customers.

I can't speak for Trek and Specialized but when I worked for a Giant dealer years ago it was a similar story. In fact I would say the the bigger the company the better the rep is and the more able they are to get involved with demo days, grassroots sponsorship, or to just be reached on the phone to answer questions or otherwise be of assistance.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 16:48
curiousincident
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yeah, it makes sense that bigger companies will have more resourses to spend on that sort of thing, as opposed to a smaller company with tighter margins and fewer employees trying to handle multiple facets of the business.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 17:23

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