Holy shit/Bike Shop lulz

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Tail Hook Lengthener
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There are like 50,000 ways to get stronger that don't involve weighing down your bicycle wheels, but sure.

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Fri, 08/25/2017 - 09:28
BabbyMatt
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Good lord, that would feel so crappy. I rented a SuperSix once to try it out and decide if I wanted one, but didn't realize it had flat prevention strips. It felt so slow, and I thought maybe I was just having an off day. I went on a local group ride that I'd ridden before on my cross bike with 35mm knobbies and been able to keep up with, and this time I was dangling nearly off the back most of the way with the supersix. I'd rather have a flat every single ride than feel that slow ever again.

Fri, 08/25/2017 - 12:37
Face
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It's 2017, just tubeless and be fast with no flats.

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Fri, 08/25/2017 - 12:57
Endpoint
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A friend of mine used to do that.

Then he got a power meter and finally accepted 1w = 1w no matter how much garbage is connected to his wheels.

But placebo effect or something. I don't know. Fuck slime.

Fri, 08/25/2017 - 21:29
eric_ssucks
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Yeah. Sugar is sugar is sugar, watts are watts, and the fastest way to get faster in a time trial is to reduce your frontal area.

Fri, 08/25/2017 - 22:58
Shortpants
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eh, it makes sense to me. I still think it's stupid for a number of reasons but it's like ball players warming up with a donut on their bat.

Sat, 08/26/2017 - 14:10
aerobear
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(Reply to #12507)

oogens wrote:
giant bikes used to come with shock pumps when i worked in the shop. store owner made us take them out of the box and slap a $30 sticker on them.

so buying direct just ensures the end user is getting everything that comes in the box?

holy shit, that's awful.

Trek MTBs came with shock pumps too. My remedy came with one. The higher series madones also came with preset torque wrenches for the seat mast. These things did often get separated from the bikes, however, due to not having anywhere to put them while the bikes were on display. We did not intentionally keep these things from customers, but it happened by accident sometimes. Definitely never got sold though.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 08/28/2017 - 15:42
Mr. Pubes
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(Reply to #12508)

oogens wrote:
giant bikes used to come with shock pumps when i worked in the shop. store owner made us take them out of the box and slap a $30 sticker on them.

not joking when i say that this was my very first experience of being let down by a bike shop. bought an NRS in 2004ish, knew it came with pump, asked about it and they got dodgy as fuck. confirmed a few years later by ex-employee of shop. still butt hurt. forever BH.

Mon, 08/28/2017 - 16:09
TimArchyLime
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Shouldn't the rep notice things like that when they visit the shop? A bunch of giant branded shock pumps with price tags on them?

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Mon, 08/28/2017 - 22:50
aerobear
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the pumps are never branded trek or giant or anything as far as i've seen. the treks used to actually come with shock pumps made by a reputable mfg. mine just came with a generic one with no branding. also you're really overestimating how often a big brand's rep actually visits their stores.

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Mon, 08/28/2017 - 22:54
TimArchyLime
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Yeah, I guess I only remember reps coming like once a year at the small shop I worked at. Felt like more at the higher end shop, but not often I suppose.

Snarky Varking wrote:
Tarckbike- Where mile 11 means you're on a long ride.

Mon, 08/28/2017 - 23:39
fixed
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i think part of the reason my teammate did that to his wheels was because we were all slower than him, so this way he could still get a good workout and go slow with the rest of us.

Tue, 08/29/2017 - 08:08
Shortpants
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Checking in to the shop bros club.

Mon, 09/25/2017 - 03:42
motorbacon
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SRMA rep came into the store to talk to us about the Guide brake issue. Apparently, even the Level brakes are susceptible to the failure that's affecting all Guide models. He then keeps saying they're the best brakes in the industry, but have had issues. I'm sorry, brakes that fail are not the best brakes.

We warrantied yet another brakeset and they sent us a 'new' set with the same production date as the failed units. WTH SRAM?

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 03:54
Viggen
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*Shimano all the things*

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Tue, 09/26/2017 - 04:32
liquify
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I want to believe the new codes will be great.

Oh yeah, I really need to get my guide rsc warrantied. It was acting a fool at the bike park the other day.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 08:09
fixed
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yeah as a very amateur home mechanic i can't get into shit like sram brakes that MIGHT fail because i'll never know whether it was the brake or my poor mechanic skills. then i'll spend weeks trying to sort it out.
sticking with shimano brakes.
plus i have a quart of mineral oil that will probably last me a lifetime.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 08:15
liquify
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I am contemplating the 4-pot XT brakes for the next bike now. Or just saint coz they seem to be the same.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 08:27
motorbacon
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Go Saint. Gold banjo!

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 08:44
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Even my long-term SRAM apologists/Shimano hater friends acknowledge that there are too many problems through both the Guide and Code lines. I personally spent the whole summer pulling Guides apart and re-lubing the pistons, but didn't end up with too many warranties (probably because Santa Cruz is the only manufacturer still speccing SRAM brakes), just a lot of squishy brakes of dubious long-term quality.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
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Tue, 09/26/2017 - 10:18
liquify
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specialized, sc, transition, upper end giants. So, all of our bieks.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 10:49
motorbacon
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Yeti, Ibis, Scott and high end Cannondales for me.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 10:55
liquify
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Oh yeah, cdales, too.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 11:17
sparksflyhigh
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I find it surprising that anyone with even a little bit of information on the topic would ever consider SRAM brakes in an aftermarket application, when Shimano brakes are so good and so cheap online. Very few manufacturers are mixing-and-matching to get away from the brakes, unfortunately. So almost all bikes specced with SRAM drivetrains, which are quite good, are saddled with their trash brakes. Strange that these issues persist even after SRAM canned all the Avid people. Maybe that didn't actually happen

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 11:18
motorbacon
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Oh, here's a new one to me. Coworker's RSC rear caliper completely locked and his son was able to free it by hitting it with a metal tire lever. Brake lever went to bar, completely locked the caliper and the lever didn't budge after he let go.

Intense was one of the few brands that put XT brakes on almost everything, no matter what drivetrain. Scott runs entry level/Deore/SLX brakes on a lot of SRAM equipped bikes.

And the Full Sprint lockout has a known issue where it can get stuck in the lockout position and not budge. Customer came in with one depressed and we tried to bleed the remote. Nothing. Called SRAM and in five minutes I had a 158 dollar lockout remote coming to me even though it was out of warranty.

They should switch all their shit to cable actuated, including their brakes.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 11:33
liquify
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At blue mountain this weekend, front lever wouldn't return. Could still spin the wheel and then grab the lever to apply it, but no modulation like it normally had. Luckily by top of the lift it was back. Really need to handle this thing.

But still oscillating between my next choice of bieks. Jekyll always looks good coz can get it now at decent price, vs having to wait for special double plus good pricing of specialized, and transitions to actually become available.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 12:58
fixed
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there was a brief period of time (like 3 months, maybe over the summer) where a few tarckers were HYPED about sram brakes. i guess we're...not hyped on sram brakes anymore?

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 15:23
sparksflyhigh
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I'm not among that number. But the summer revealed the latest shortcoming with the guides, and apparently other brakes as well: The pistons expand ever so slightly in the heat and the lever sticks as was described 2 posts back.here in phoenix you can wheel a bike with guides outside. Leave it there for 10 minutes and the brakes don't work. Bring it back inside for 20 and they're fine again.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 15:28
fixed
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so they corrected their problem with freezing in cold weather and now they freeze in hot weather? sram really pushing the physics on these things.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 15:32
oogens
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I really like my guides, but they are starting to feel a little sticky, guess I should figure that out

I'm less happy with my reverbs that both have about an inch of thudbuster action despite bleeding the lever and topping off the air...

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 16:56
Sneaky Viking
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(Reply to #12531)

fixed wrote:
there was a brief period of time (like 3 months, maybe over the summer) where a few tarckers were HYPED about sram brakes. i guess we're...not hyped on sram brakes anymore?

I was starting to think maybe I had imagined the early summer SRAM brake love. But I remember the 'Wow SRAM is as good as Shimano now!' talk too.

ckd wrote:
I mean, seriously. We're just a bunch of washed up bicycle burnout dipshits.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 17:39
liquify
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(Reply to #12532)

oogens wrote:
I really like my guides, but they are starting to feel a little sticky, guess I should figure that out

I'm less happy with my reverbs that both have about an inch of thudbuster action despite bleeding the lever and topping off the air...

Pretty sure you/your shop needs this tool. RockShox Reverb IFP Height Tool QBP #TL8913

Take the fucker apart, push in to line, and no more thudbuster. Mechanic with experience can probably handle it in 15 minutes.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 19:15
Rusty Piton
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I had never touched guide brakes until today when my coworker buddy bought a sweet new Spesh Fuze from a local shop. Before I even started riding the thing, I squeezed the levers and something felt squishy and wrong. I rode it around the block a couple times and the braking was super weak and super squishy. I couldn't lock up the rear wheel despite pulling the lever as far as it would go. It was like 95f out so maybe it was the thermal expansion issue, but no fuck sram brakes.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 22:46
circuithero
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Today I came across an etap FD with a blown motor for the second time. Apparently FDs will never be their thing either.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 23:10
aerobear
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(Reply to #12535)

motorbacon wrote:
Yeti, Ibis, Scott and high end Cannondales for me.

ibis puts shimano brakes on most of their builds. everything but nx.

coworker just got a cdale (i'm blanking on which model). sram front caliper locked up on the 3rd ride in crested butte and he almost endo'd. i guess he was able to get it pried apart enough to finish riding, but jfc.

other coworker is about to get a 5010. i told him to just order some slx brakes now and i'd swap the over. he wasn't sure why until i explained what happened to our other coworker..

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 23:24
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #12536)

Rusty Piton wrote:
I had never touched guide brakes until today when my coworker buddy bought a sweet new Spesh Fuze from a local shop. Before I even started riding the thing, I squeezed the levers and something felt squishy and wrong. I rode it around the block a couple times and the braking was super weak and super squishy. I couldn't lock up the rear wheel despite pulling the lever as far as it would go. It was like 95f out so maybe it was the thermal expansion issue, but no fuck sram brakes.

I've had zero issues with the SCRAM brakes on my Fuze. Granted it's the first mtb I've had with hydro brakes but they've been great from day one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 23:29
aerobear
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(Reply to #12537)

Whippin Skidz wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
I had never touched guide brakes until today when my coworker buddy bought a sweet new Spesh Fuze from a local shop. Before I even started riding the thing, I squeezed the levers and something felt squishy and wrong. I rode it around the block a couple times and the braking was super weak and super squishy. I couldn't lock up the rear wheel despite pulling the lever as far as it would go. It was like 95f out so maybe it was the thermal expansion issue, but no fuck sram brakes.

I've had zero issues with the SCRAM brakes on my Fuze. Granted it's the first mtb I've had with hydro brakes but they've been great from day one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

are you trying to jinx yourself??

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 23:30
ckd
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He just takes pictures of it.

Spencer Raleigh, Medical Panini

Tue, 09/26/2017 - 23:37
Rusty Piton
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Well, my buddy took the bike back to the shop and they called sram and sram is sending him new levers because of the recall.
I asked him why he didn't just get a set of SLX and he said he likes these, man.
OK.
He rode elixers for like five years so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He seems ok with having the shop bleed his brakes every couple months as seems to be necessary with sram hydros.
I told him that the only time I've ever had to bleed a shimano brake was when shortening hoses or setting the damn things up in the first place, but he likes these ones, man.
Some people will never learn.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 09:43
Guy
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(Reply to #12540)

Rusty Piton wrote:
Some people will never learn.

Had a guy here locally who ordered a Oiz M10 a month or so ago and wanted it spec'd with Guide instead of XT brakes.

Because "the modulation is better." Ooookay.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 09:53
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Some people love to pretend that the mushy vagueness of SRAM brakes is a design feature called "modulation".

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 09:54
Whippin Skidz
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(Reply to #12542)

ckd wrote:
He just takes pictures of it.

True, I don't actually ride bikes.

BC has a point about the supposed modulation though.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 10:23
Guy
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(Reply to #12543)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Some people love to pretend that the mushy vagueness of SRAM brakes is a design feature called "modulation".

In this case, immediately expounded with "I can't ride Shimano brakes! I'd go over the bars!"

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 11:01
motorbacon
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(Reply to #12544)

aerobear wrote:
motorbacon wrote:
Yeti, Ibis, Scott and high end Cannondales for me.

ibis puts shimano brakes on most of their builds. everything but nx.

..

Not on Eagle builds

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 12:24
aerobear
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(Reply to #12545)

motorbacon wrote:
aerobear wrote:
motorbacon wrote:
Yeti, Ibis, Scott and high end Cannondales for me.

ibis puts shimano brakes on most of their builds. everything but nx.

..

Not on Eagle builds

Website says saint or xtr brakes on xx1 eagle, xt on x01 eagle . They probably changed their spec..

crowding wrote:
Every time i eat Dick's I just wind up disappointed that I'm not getting In-n-Out.

Wed, 09/27/2017 - 19:43
Shortpants
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Just worked my first day in the bike shop. I swear I'm more tired than a day working on the fucking bike! I forgot how much active movement is involved with retail.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 00:04
motorbacon
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(Reply to #12547)

aerobear wrote:
motorbacon wrote:
aerobear wrote:
motorbacon wrote:
Yeti, Ibis, Scott and high end Cannondales for me.

ibis puts shimano brakes on most of their builds. everything but nx.

..

Not on Eagle builds

Website says saint or xtr brakes on xx1 eagle, xt on x01 eagle . They probably changed their spec..

Interesting. Had three XX1 Ripleys today in the shop with guide RSC and all of our X01 Eagle demos have Guide RSC. They probably got tired of SRMA's bullshit.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 04:35
theKearney
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Do the issues with SRAM hydros extend to their brifters as well? Or is just their MTB shit?

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 07:38
eric_ssucks
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Their shakes and cable brakes are fine, not as fine as Shimano but fine.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 10:21
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #12550)

theKearney wrote:
Do the issues with SRAM hydros extend to their brifters as well? Or is just their MTB shit?

Though I haven't heard about the thermal expansion problem on their hydroshakes (what's a brifter?), they are fraught with many other foibles.

Sneaky Viking wrote:
when you look back at your life sometimes you see a set of hands on your keyboard and a set of paws, but sometimes there's only a set of paws and that's when Tarckbear was typing for you.

Thu, 09/28/2017 - 11:13

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