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RJ
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deadforkinglast wrote:
Plastic fenders are where it's at. I've never broken a pair, ever, and I'm pretty good at breaking stuff. Metal fenders are cool, but when they twist, they don't spring back to their original shape, so fuck that shit.

All of this.

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Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:15
cookietruck
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it gonna seem like i pullin for metal fender n shit but...my bike gotten some abuse and instead of my honjo's getting all twisted up and distorted they just dented the few times they took some abuse.
maybe this is coz i got 'em mounted real tough n shit though.

spend the time to mount yr fenders well.
that means lots of taking on and off adjusting, trimming, filing stays and all that shit.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:45
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snails wrote:
question on the sks p35's
what wheel width you think these will clear?

getting excited for some colder riding.

backing the 28 sentiment. I got some marathon 28's in there that barely fit.

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Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:57
Tail Hook Lengthener
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I'm going to resurrect this necrothread, just because.

Who has handled the new Planet Bike ALX 27.5 fenders? I know Fred suggested the PB 29er for Elephant use, but I like the idea of a mass-produced 27.5 fender I can order from Q, and I like the ALX road fenders I've installed. So what's the final verdict?

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Tue, 03/22/2016 - 11:55
kmcdon
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(Reply to #55)

Not me, but I was pretty satisfied with the PB 29er fenders that I had.

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 12:52
kmcdon
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Also, seems like VO doesn't have 650bx25 smooth fenders. Honjos are too expensive. Are there any other options that arent one million pesos? (needs to be smooth metal)

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 12:54
NOVELTYNAME
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berthoud

"Folks want options!"

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 13:07
blackholelectron
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Fred was talking about the new ALX jobbers, and it seems that they are kinda heavy plus they don't have quite the length of VO or other more boutiquey options

regardless, I'm sure they are totally fine functionally and the wide ones are pretty much your only option with something like Switchback Hills (other than the PB 29er fenders)

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if you're happily shuffling between rural corn dog purchases at 14mph, how are your needs not being met?

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 13:32
tamaso
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(Reply to #59)

blackholelectron wrote:

[took your pic from the dynamo thread]

Are those black VOs? Which width? How much clearance do you have with SBHs? Why are the stays mounted on the lowrider bosses? [sorry for Q-vomit...]

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 13:59
lukasz
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I think Berthoud fenders from boulder bike are quite reasonable in cost.

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 14:01
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #61)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Who has handled the new Planet Bike ALX 27.5 fenders?

I installed a set on one of those Raleigh 27.5 starter hardtails for a friend's son, they're the right size and shape to clear a 52mm microknobby

They're really stiff and heavy for aluminum, thick and flat in the middle, like they're an extrusion instead of the traditional rolled sheetmetal. You wouldn't be able to retrofit Berthoud stays to them.

There was the slightest rattle in them that might've been in the seatstay bracket, but you won't use that on an NFE

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Tue, 03/22/2016 - 14:59
blackholelectron
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(Reply to #62)

No worries! Those fenders are some VO things, I think the 700x52 model? The biggest black ones. Spread open to about a 55ish inner width, for fitment over Babbyshoes originally. They have real nice clearance over those but cut it pretty close over SBHes... They work for most everything other than deep clingy mud though. Could probably make the clearance a bit better, too, but spreading the fender does have the negative effect of decreasing side-to-side clearance. I'll get you some better shots tomorrow.

Stays mounted on the rack bosses because I'm fucking stupid and always cut fender stays too short, so there they sit until I get some of those PDW safety tabs for the front. It works for now.

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if you're happily shuffling between rural corn dog purchases at 14mph, how are your needs not being met?

Tue, 03/22/2016 - 23:37
Tail Hook Lengthener
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Well, I pulled the trigger on the Planet Bike jawns, so we will see how that pans out.

Is there any reason why I would want to retrofit Berthoud stays? I've install those fenders many times before, and I don't remember any particular reason why I'd take those over the stock ones on any other fender.

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Wed, 03/23/2016 - 00:04
Rusty Piton
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I'm gonna install a set of those black VOs tonight.
I think I might mount em to the mid fork bosses just to keep the clutter to a minimum at the fork ends.
Any reason not to?

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Wed, 03/23/2016 - 09:33
blackholelectron
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nah- no reason not to, I would just advise something like a nylock nut on the inside to prevent rattling loose. you also might have to bend the stays from the attachment points to the fender, because the VO stay attachment hardware really prefers that the stays exit the fender as straight as possible

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if you're happily shuffling between rural corn dog purchases at 14mph, how are your needs not being met?

Wed, 03/23/2016 - 10:00
kmcdon
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(Reply to #66)

lukasz wrote:
I think Berthoud fenders from boulder bike are quite reasonable in cost.

I think that's what we're going to be going with. VO got back to us and confirmed that they will no longer be selling/making smooth 650b fenders. Only the zeppelins and the hammered jawns.

Wed, 03/23/2016 - 12:46
Andrew_Squirrel
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The Zeppelin shape has really grown on me. I actually prefer it to smooth or hammered these days.
Bonus: the shape makes it really easy to find the tangent for drilling centered mounting holes.
If they could manufacture it with an open gutter along the edge I would be in love.

Wed, 03/23/2016 - 14:54
tamaso
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(Reply to #68)

Rusty Piton wrote:
I'm gonna install a set of those black VOs tonight.
I think I might mount em to the mid fork bosses just to keep the clutter to a minimum at the fork ends.
Any reason not to?

You want to run lowrider racks now or in the future?

Wed, 03/23/2016 - 16:09
JUGE FREDD
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(Reply to #69)

Wintage Townie wrote:
Is there any reason why I would want to retrofit Berthoud stays? I've install those fenders many times before, and I don't remember any particular reason why I'd take those over the stock ones on any other fender.

versus the Honjo-style stays they put little M4 nuts inside the fender instead of big honking M6, are flush to the fender, and don't need heavy eyebolts

versus SKS style steel V stays they're much stiffer, much lighter, and don't have brackets that divert water out of the fender

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Wed, 03/23/2016 - 16:11
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The Pitbull of Personal Development®

Wed, 03/23/2016 - 16:15
kmcdon
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(Reply to #71)

Andrew_Squirrel wrote:
The Zeppelin shape has really grown on me. I actually prefer it to smooth or hammered these days.
Bonus: the shape makes it really easy to find the tangent for drilling centered mounting holes.
If they could manufacture it with an open gutter along the edge I would be in love.

Ladybiek gets what ladybiek wants, even if it causes me a massive headache....

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 07:32
Rusty Piton
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(Reply to #72)

RJ wrote:
deadforkinglast wrote:
Plastic fenders are where it's at. I've never broken a pair, ever, and I'm pretty good at breaking stuff. Metal fenders are cool, but when they twist, they don't spring back to their original shape, so fuck that shit.

All of this.

I've broken 3 plastic fenders all in the frigid depths of winter. Extreme cold makes plastic very brittle.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 10:53
Rusty Piton
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Also, I installed my black VO zepps last night and holy shit what a treat those things are to work with!
All the mounting hardware is excellent and I actually liked the metal R clips more than the plastic things that the Bertholds come with.
The hardware bag even included a daruma bolt and washers! I didn't need em this time, but it's pretty nice that they included that bit. Berthold sells em separatelysmiley.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 10:58
kmcdon
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(Reply to #74)

Rusty Piton wrote:
daruma bolt

Rusty Piton wrote:
Berthold sells em separatelysmiley.

well that's fuckin disappointing, definitely going to need one when we fender up the soma. can I have yours?

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 11:21
Rentable Faxmachine
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I've been pleased with my VO fenders' performance, but I did need to add another set of stays to the front fender to prevent excessive wobbling.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 11:27
lukasz
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(Reply to #76)

kmcdon wrote:
Rusty Piton wrote:
daruma bolt

Rusty Piton wrote:
Berthold sells em separatelysmiley.

well that's fuckin disappointing, definitely going to need one when we fender up the soma. can I have yours?

Boulder Bike will hook you up. Send an email.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 11:34
Rusty Piton
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Yeah boulder will hook you up for sure. Mike is a super duper nice guy.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 11:37
eric_ssucks
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(Reply to #78)

Reasonable Facsimile wrote:
I've been pleased with my VO fenders' performance, but I did need to add another set of stays to the front fender to prevent excessive wobbling.

Definitely need a front rack or stay to tame the wobble with the v-o fenders. They're long.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 13:13
Rusty Piton
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Well, now I just ordered some spare stays and other fender hardware from VO.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 13:24
crowding
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incorrect placement of leather washers, that's a paddlin'

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 13:40
Rentable Faxmachine
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(Reply to #81)

crowding wrote:
incorrect placement of leather washers, that's a paddlin'

Huh? Do people run the leather washer on the inside of the fender?

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 13:54
kmcdon
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(Reply to #82)

Reasonable Facsimile wrote:
crowding wrote:
incorrect placement of leather washers, that's a paddlin'

Huh? Do people run the leather washer on the inside of the fender?

http://support.velo-orange.com/pdf/Fender.pdf

You're in the clear according to this. I put leather washers on the inside and outside of the fender, but not on the fender stays. I only used them where the fender x frame collabos are going on.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 14:21
jdsmooth
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(Reply to #83)

I believe Jawn/Weigle approach is leather betwixt fender and frame/rack only. But leather everywhere seems okay.

Five-foot drops at speed on unstable terrain? Yep.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 15:07
Andrew_Squirrel
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(Reply to #84)

ohhhh, I was wondering why the bike shop installed 45 leather washers on my partners LHT fenders when they built it up. Mystery solved.

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 15:31
crowding
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The stays are flexy already so no additional compliance is needed at fender/stay interface. More important to keep the nut from vibration loosening, if you have soft washers you also need nylocks

Thu, 03/24/2016 - 17:37
Rusty Piton
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Nylock all the things atmo.

emor wrote:
Bicycle commuting is the worst way to get anywhere except for all the other ways.

Fri, 03/25/2016 - 11:33
jeffro
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Fender dickery by Jeffrey Carson, on Flickr

Lulz

Sat, 04/23/2016 - 23:12
Goddamnit Gunther
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jesus fucking christ!

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Sat, 04/23/2016 - 23:26
jeffro
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Shit got wild.

Sat, 04/23/2016 - 23:29
jimmythefly
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Amazing.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Sun, 04/24/2016 - 01:51
dorth
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lol, the tube!! an A for effort

should've mounted the rear segment with those bendy-brake bridge clips behind the Sheldon nut. would even out fender line and close the gap around the brake

one of these-http://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/wald-847-fender-bridge-clip?gclid...

Sun, 04/24/2016 - 09:33
Todd
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what is the best set of not super ugly black fenders for my endpoint?

Sun, 04/24/2016 - 09:50
Viggen
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My best guess would be VO Zeppelin's with Honjo och GB hardware.
SKS Longballs if you can stand plastic ones.

Also I found some "Handsome Cycles" black stuff that I don't know the quality of..

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Sun, 04/24/2016 - 10:25
jeffro
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Yeah, the valve stem gag, along with a reusable zip tie at the seat tube, means I don't need any tools to remove
the forward fender section. This'll be key for flat changes because rear drops are forward facing and it's tough getting the wheel in and out even without a fender.

Sun, 04/24/2016 - 12:39
Tail Hook Lengthener
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(Reply to #95)

Todd wrote:
what is the best set of not super ugly black fenders for my endpoint?

My Planet Bike ALX fenders look pretty sick. Weight seems comparable to any other inexpensive fender, but I haven't so much as taken them out of the package, much less weighed them, yet.

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Sun, 04/24/2016 - 12:45
jimmythefly
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Anybody here a Specialized dealer?

The fenders that come stock on the AWOL Elite intrigue me, I would like to purchase a set.

Aluminum, matte black, over 700x 42 tires, black anno berthoud-type stays, include nice rubber flap front and rear. Actually that whole bike was surprisingly nice, comes with a Tubus rear rack and the Specialized front rack is actually not-horrible.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Sun, 04/24/2016 - 16:17
JUGE FREDD
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the skinnier black aluminum Specialized fenders on the Diverge are awful

heavier than Honjo, but not at all stiff so the rear bounces uncontrollably and the stays fail from fatigue

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Sun, 04/24/2016 - 21:36
kmcdon
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Just checking in since this thread got bumped. Ended up going with the Berthoud fenders for ladybiek's soma, and I like them somewhat better than the VO counterparts. Also, we actually went to Boulder Bicycle to pick them up and GAT DAM, it's retrogrouch heaven in there. Highly recommend stopping in if you're able to.

Mon, 04/25/2016 - 09:05
jimmythefly
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(Reply to #99)

JUGE FREDD wrote:
the skinnier black aluminum Specialized fenders on the Diverge are awful

heavier than Honjo, but not at all stiff so the rear bounces uncontrollably and the stays fail from fatigue

Did not see those up close, but forgot to look for them (at Gregg's greenlake). The AWOL ones are zeppelin shaped a bit (look similar to PB alx) so I'd imagine ar emuch stiffer and less bouncy.

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Mon, 04/25/2016 - 15:08
jimmythefly
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Oh, and I did notice these

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/accessories/roll-fender-set/114592

Which are specifically for the Specialized Roll, 650b x 2.3 tires. So could be a good option for 650bers or for me to re-radius a bit for fatty 26" (or for narrower 700c, I'd guess would work for a 1.9 or 2.0 even).

deadforkinglast wrote:
But honestly, I have no idea how I am going to follow through on that plan and I already have a pretty rad bike. I think I just like fucking with my bikes.

Mon, 04/25/2016 - 15:47

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